Condolences and Prays to the Cain family. We lost an ally today and he will be missed. Had Mr cain received the Republican nomination, I would have pulled his lever!
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Condolences and Prays to the Cain family. We lost an ally today and he will be missed. Had Mr cain received the Republican nomination, I would have pulled his lever!
I bet he isn’t celebrated for two weeks before they bury him. Shame on the non mask wearing SOB(s)who killed him.
Curious how many people each of you have known personally with COVID-19 and the current status / outcomes. I am just curious how "real" this is to most people. It got real for me this past two weeks.
I have known six. Five of them within the last two weeks. All five of those from community spread. All under the age of 40. One is currently in the hospital on a ventilator.
Update: make that seven. This one is over 40.
I know more than a dozen. But they are pilots/flight attendants who due to their job, they come in contact with more people than a "normal" person. I am surprised that no one in my immediate family hasn't contracted it yet.. ( I probably just jinxed myself). My daughter (who is temporarily living with us) is an ICU nurse in largest county hospital in DFW, and works in Covid unit every day. My wife works in doctor's office that does Covid testing and they have a lot of positive patients that are in the facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by weunice
I know a bunch. Various symptoms and severity. Some with no fever which I think is strange. My daughter tested positive just before she gave birth to our grandson. A staff wearing space suits helped deliver. All three (mom, dad, and baby) have since tested negative. My brother tested positive early this week. He is 58 with comorbidities.
Two more stories by folks who have actually experienced it. HCQ saves lives, when properly prescribed by a doctor, together with some Zithromax, and both responded and were over the virus attack quickly. Both are 60+, one man, one woman. In one case Linda D. says her own doctor refused to prescribe it, so she went to another doctor and bam! Linda D. is a proponent for the use of HCQ.
Most, if not all, doctors seem to agree that HCQ works best, and perhaps only, when a patient is early in the infection process. That appears to be the consensus. Yet, my friend Douglas C. got clobbered by it, went into the hospital on a Thursday afternoon, was given HCQ and probably something else, in lieu of going on one of those ventilators, and was released feeling great within 48 hours. He still says emphatically HCQ saved his life. It might have been early in his actual infection period, but his symptoms were acute like those hospitalized. That was back in March or April, so maybe the virus has mutated or perhaps Douglas' metabolism is such that it worked for him. I don't know...what I do know is HCQ continues to benefit folks, and should be in the toolbox of doctors treating China virus victims.
No, most doctors do not agree with that. Stop being an idiot and spreading fake information.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
We only know of 2 that tested positive over here (one a PT and the other a teacher both 63-64 years of age). Both experienced it like a severe cold with some chills for about 36 hours. That was it.
I want to introduce you to Doug C. I sent him a message some weeks ago telling him about you. He said he'd like to "explain some things to you." I want you to call him an idiot to his face and say he was not saved by the use of HCQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
He might think it was what saved him, but he can’t know he would have died had he not been given it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
“There is no reason to keep talking about hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19,” Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease physician at Emory University School of Medicine, told NBC News. “It does not work for treatment or for prevention. I have no idea why there is still talk about it, but it’s wrong.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1235347
Dr. Carlos del Rio is one doctor...apparently on the take by Big Pharma promising him kickbacks.
Everyone should asked themselves this question: why would ANY doctor or HC official say, keep saying, HCQ works for the China virus if in fact it does not?
What do they have to gain, again, if they know it does not work? They will be forever discredited. There is no money in it for them. There is no reason, nothing to gain, by lying about it.
Now, ask yourself this question: why would ANY doctor or HC official say, keep saying, HCQ does not work if in fact it does?
What do they have to gain? Well, big dollars for one thing. HCQ represents a low-cost solution to the China virus problem ("crisis"), no money to be made. And, there is a concerted effort to wreck the economy in order to hamper Trump's reelection bid. Two very powerful reasons for someone to continue discrediting HCQ. If indeed HCQ works, then the whole China virus crisis hoax disappears overnight, the economy comes screaming back, and by November the Dow is over 30K, people are going back to work in droves...you get the picture.
Now, one might say, well, what about the flip side of the political script? Maybe some of these doctors saying HCQ works are just Trump supporters trying to mitigate any political fallout. But! if HCQ truly does not work and the country decides to hook its wagon to that horse, with a Trump endorsement, then bam! Thousands die, Trump gets blamed, and he is toast in November. Really? So, we are to believe that Trump-supporting doctors knowing full well HCQ does not work would put their guy's political future at such risk?
I have already posted I DO NOT KNOW the truth about HCQ, one way or the other. I do not know. But following rational thought processes, there is no reason for anyone to say HCQ works, when they know it doesn't, and plenty of reasons for those who know it does work, to say it doesn't: politics and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This is why democrats cannot ever have control again.. another example of stupid crap added to stimulus bill proposal... I'm sure there are a few people on this board who actually support this..:icon_roll:
A group of Senate Democrats are pushing to include a provision in the next coronavirus relief package that would provide access to free phone and video calls for people incarcerated in federal prisons.
The group includes Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Tammy Duckworth (Ill.), Cory Booker (N.J.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.). Sen. Angus King, a Maine Independent, also signed onto the letter.
Lawmakers remain far apart in negotiations for the next coronavirus stimulus package.
Yes, the reason they are far apart is that democrats are also pushing in their 3 Trillion dollar stimulus package, bailouts for several pension funds and money to give to large democrat run cities where their policies have failed and they are in debt.
Regressive liberals are so short sidedly stupid!
Last Update 1 hour ago
Nearly 18,000 California inmates could be released early due to coronavirus
California Police Chiefs Association warns some violent criminals being released 'without a consideration for the larger impact on public safety'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...se-coronavirus
USA Today Editorial: Make COVID vaccine mandatory
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Make vaccines free, don't allow religious or personal objections, and punish those who won't be vaccinated. They are threatening the lives of others.
Amazing how many people would love to live in a fascist society.
ETA: For a civilization that is supposedly "too educated" for "silly" things such as religion, they are racing to prove everything that was predicted over 2000 years ago true..
This is total incompetency that caused these violent last breath deaths and it’s being covered up. Cuomo needs to be arrested!
Gov. Cuomo rejects independent probe of NY nursing home deaths from COVID
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuo...-investigation
Here's the latest study on HCQ. We could have saved a lot of lives had we used HCQ like some countries did. https://hcqtrial.com/ I believe I can get my doctor to prescribe it after he sees this study. I'm 73 and diabetic,so, the HCQ is my only chance.
Saw last night on some show (FOX, I'm sure), that now that Trump has stopped trumpeting HCQ as a treatment, more and more doctors are quietly saying...yeah, it works. There is an HCQ "brand" (can't remember what it is) that has some other name, but "a rose by any other name is still a rose," and it is HCQ. Lefty doctors and those afraid to lose their research funding who, heretofore, have joined the chorus of "Trump's" drug does not work, are now prescribing this drug with the other name. It is HCQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Any doctor who knowingly withheld using HCQ for political reasons should not only be sued, but brought up on criminal charges. And murder charges, manslaughter, I guess, in the cases of patient deaths.
It is a fraud piece put out most likely by AAPS and is not based on accepted scientific principles. It is not a randomized trial and it is based on much narrower and conflated data sets than the only actual randomized HCQ trials done today - all of which demonstrated that HCQ is not effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Here's another interesting drug that I've been taking every day since 2005 for my high triglycerides. https://www.thailandmedical.news/new...id-19-severity
I bet you're going to see some lawsuits over people not being able to get this drug. Our death rate is about 5 times higher than the countries that used the HCQ in the early stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
We have reached a new level of stupid... State of Wisconsin requiring face masks during ZOOM video conferences for govt employees.. You can be home alone, all by yourself, yet you have to wear a face mask.. no thank you, I'll just kill my video and do audio only.
Heard it was a about the example they were setting...Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
That example is being an idiot. Talk about a bunch of followers.:laugh:
Exactly! I know a few doctors and nurses taking HCQ daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
HCQ is last week’s news.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Ivermectin is where it’s at.
Are they young earth creationists as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
https://storage.googleapis.com/conse...es_graphic.png
Interesting graph showing COVID cases surging in Hawaii. This is interesting considering Hawaii has very strict mask mandates, and also if anyone arrives on island, they must quarantine for 14 days prior to doing anything.
New Zealand is seeing a surge too. It is effectively an island and they have control of who enters. They had some rather strict mandates, went 100 days without any new cases, but now, Bam! What I heard was they can't figure out why this happened. I assume, w/o actually knowing, they relaxed some of their mandates...maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
A actual sane thought and moment from Dr Fauci? Did the regressive Dems miss a payment to him or what? I bet the Leftist sheeple and George Soros are nervous and po’d now. Not- to- mention Biden, Comey, Rice, Brennan, Hillary and ; the true and existing Real Russian circus clowns on the left.
Published 4 hours ago
Fauci says there is 'no reason' Americans can't vote in person in November
Infectious disease expert says it'll be safe to cast ballots in person if voters follow social distancing guidelines
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fau...erson-november
Hawaii has consistently had a bad Rt (consistently the highest as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
https://rt.live/us/HI
They aren’t following the restrictions and things seem to have gotten worse since their reopening (including intra-Island travel).
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12356514Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Bump!Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Anything less is an attack on America.
In fact I would doubt this is how Hawaii and New Zealand mention above just got hit after months of nothing. Maybe it’s in a product purposefully from and made in China the FDA etc.. hasn’t pinpointed yet. Heaven knows China would have its eyes in those two regional areas to attack for sure.
Yes I’m still saying they might have allowed this to be released on the world and especially America. It’s one of the only ways to explain why they wouldn’t let American scientist/CDC and WHO into Wuhan at the beginning per Trumps request.
You should take a vacation from crazy town.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Crazy Town? How are you doing this morning, Mr. Mayor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I will admit, many times it takes crazy arse thinking to figure out the deranged minds and schemes of the leftist anti-American party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I've watched that Rt live site and they change the number from previous days all the time. Texas was well below 1 for a long time and then suddenly they were at 1 or above 1 for the same period.
Amy Klobuchar's husband's life was saved when he was given HCQ for the virus. He was in really bad shape and had been very sick for several days before he was given the HCQ. They were getting close to putting him on a ventilator. It usually works best when given as early as possible, but, there are also many stories of people getting it just before they go on a ventilator and they get well. Laura Ingraham had several doctors on her show that had seen very good results with it. I doubt if they showed this on CNN.:o
You don’t know that it was HCQ that made him improve. Folks will improve without HCQ as well. The large randomized clinical trials showed it didn’t work. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t prove causality for drug therapies - that is not how medicine or science works. That is why they do randomized studies - to rule out the other factors that influence outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
The governor of Ohio today released HCQ so that the doctors can use it on their patients that want it. You won't hear that on CNN.
Our friend here probably won’t acknowledge that news just like the cures and miracles HCQ has recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
So? That doesn’t mean HCQ works.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
It wasn’t even the governor. It was the pharmacy board responding to tons of hate mail from people saying that the pharmacy board’s restriction interfered with doctor-patient relationship. No doubt these people watch FoxNews.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Sounds like some people are loaded up on stocks of some pharma companies trying to hedge their bets..
Are you saying they manipulated the randomized control trials? Because ALL of those show HCQ doesn’t work.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
deep staaaaaatttteeeQuote:
Originally Posted by guisslapp
Yeah...why not let doctors and patients decide what's best for them? HCQ has been used SAFELY for decades and has been used SAFELY in recent months as a treatment for the China Virus. It's like someone saying, hey! give patients Pepto-Bismol, it works for the China Virus. Doctors could say, really? Well, it certainly won't hurt the patient...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I know, Goosey, you narcissist you, that you think doctors need to check in with you. Well, they have medical degrees and you played lacrosse....
I trust doctors to look at the research, the reports, and at results and make the best possible decisions for their patients.
I don’t disagree that doctors should be allowed to take care of their patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Most doctors currently won’t prescribe HCQ for COVID because they know what the studies say. But there are plenty of other doctors out there too. Including some that watch FoxNews and are not driven by the best scientific evidence. I am sure you are shocked to learn this.
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You are telling a lot of lies lately.
So, what about Ivermectin? Is it bogus too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
No randomized clinical trial data yet, but also not that promising. If I were getting treatment I would opt for something that has actually been shown to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Our friend here probably won’t acknowledge that news just like the cures and miracles HCQ has recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
It's amazing how stupid people are thar watch CNN. You won't see any real news on CNN.
Isn't Ivermectin used for treating dogs for heartworms?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
But technically less stupid than those that watch FoxNews.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Yes, it has uses in animals and humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Guissy recommends waiting for the randomized trials for treatment but has complete faith in the tests that were rushed out.....
No need to wait. We have positive randomized trial results for some drugs already. If you want to take a heartworm pill, I would suggest a combo with a flea and tick preventative.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
So what are your thoughts on Galileo and Copernicus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Fingers crossed. I’ve been taking my dog’s heartworm medicine as a prophylactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Shoot. I should’ve thought that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Fingers crossed, though.
Your doctor would prescribe Midol for your menstrual cramps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I don’t use insulin. Should I be?
Not unless you want to die. If you're not diabetic, you will go into a coma and die if you inject yourself with insulin.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
LMAO! So true.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Do you do any bodybuilding?Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
"I don't use insulin," Trump said. "Should I be? Huh? I never thought about it.“
Trump, medical savantQuote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
You say the same thing about MDs you don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Do you think all MDs keep up with studies?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Yes, the good ones do and they don't allow political hate to influence they way they interpret the "studies".Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Ok, didn't know that's where this was coming from :). Maybe Trump's thinking of bodybuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Exactly. The good ones aren’t the ones prescribing HCQ for Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Put this here because it shows how out of touch the democratic leadership is and really doesn't care about the working class.
De Blasio's wife has a personal staff of 14 people costing NYC 2 million dollars a year
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Chirlane McCray enjoys a core team of eight full-time staff who cost the city a combined $1.1 million in annual salaries, according to her office
Sources told The City she also has at least another six staff who do not feature on the official roster, taking her workforce to 14 with a $2 million price tag
One staffer is a videographer with a salary of $70,000 who was tasked with filming McCray baking ginger snaps for a social media video during lockdown
Another is $150,000-a-year senior adviser Dabash Negash who was recruited in April - one week after de Blasio announced a hiring freeze
New Yorkers voiced outrage on Twitter calling the news 'maddening'
Her 14-strong team comes as her husband warned 22,000 city workers could lose their jobs in the fall due to the toll of the pandemic on the city's budget
De Blasio has already axed $1 billion from the NYPD budget while crime surges
Cuts have also been made to essential public services leaving rubbish piled in the streets and homelessness rife
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08...7797005990.jpg
Another lie from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I see you forgot about this...Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...e-2018-1%3famp
Yeah that's the same thing. Does the 14 people include her security detail, I doubt it. Guess when you're the mayor and the mayor's wife you should expect to live like royalty while your city burns. Though maybe she pays them with some of the millions she's misplaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Apples and Oranges.. but you already knew that.. I expected that you would have no issues with it.
Only $100,000 per day? Why are we skimping protecting the most gorgeous First Lady in history!? Deploy a battalion of Marines!
Anyone remember the classic comedy show Get Smart?
Smart: Okay, right now there is an entire brigade of crack army troops guarding this building.
Bad Guy: I doubt that.
Smart: Would you believe a 20-man SWAT Team and an armored car?
Bad Guy: Ah...no.
Smart: How about a troop of boy scouts with a toothless German Shepard?
How many deaths from all causes have there been in the US this year compared to years past? Not sure where I can find that info.
We looked at this earlier back in April and things have stayed the same. So many are dying with China Virus, but not from it. It can be a horrible virus that is anywhere from devastating to some for weeks to a bad few days for others. As you know, very few are actually dying from the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ty-report.html
This is a designation without a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Nobody dies from Diabetes...they die from heart failure or kidney failure or stroke. A lot of cancer patients die from malnutrition.
Did y'all see that blithering idiot Andrew Coma say it was the "European Virus" that killed all those tens of thousands of New Yorkers! What a jerk. What an effing moron. Worst part is just about every person stupid enough to listen to that creep will believe it!
Furthermore flu patients often die of pneumonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
When they revise the yearly total up accounting for estimates of those who never showed up to the hospital and are estimated as having died from coronavirus people are going to blow a gasket.
Of course, the 60,000 deaths from the flu were figured exactly that way, from maybe 15,000 known deaths from pneumonia (and other things) which were aggravated or triggered by having had the flu.
Just know, that revision is coming. I have my popcorn ready.
Thanks for proving the point. Most of these people were going to die anyway. Sooner may have been a blessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I agree. Many who died in homicides, motor vehicle accidents, and sudden heart attacks will test positive for China Virus and be designated as having died FROM it.Quote:
Originally Posted by weunice
You keep saying it as if it actually is a point. You think we should track COVID deaths differently than we track everything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Is this on one of the tinfoil hat sites or what?
That isn’t how the CDC told folks to count COVID deaths. The experts say COVID deaths are undercounted rather than overcounted, and that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Total BS but it helps your cause so continue the lies and go for it. “Experts say” is so lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
We’re all going to die. I read you lost someone, and I empathize.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Rationalizing ‘they were gonna die anyway’ don’t cut it.
You know or heard of anybody healthy who died from this crap?Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Most adults in the US, particularly in TX, LA and MS do not qualify as “healthy.”Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The vast majority of those "unhealthy" adults are grossly obese, and everyone knows that with that comes all those neat things like hypertension, diabetes, kidney disease, as well as many, many more ailments. Most obese people are obese because of their own slothful gluttony, but I'm sure you'll try to blame even that on our great president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
So you are saying, if you have one of these diseases, it is no big deal if your life gets cut short because the president mismanaged the response to a pandemic?Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
pro-life!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Check stats of ages. Most are old. Being a fat ass and eating crap is not a diseaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I was just interested to know the number to see how this year is stacking up vs past years. I get that it was done in April, I was just wondering how that has panned out now that we are a few more months into this year. It seems to me that this should be a pretty clear cut number and easy to fine but I can't seem to find any clear cut data. Specifically how many people have died by month over the last 10 years. Is this year statistically different?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I found the numbers I was looking for at least for the state of Michigan. Through July 2019 59,640 deaths out of a population of 9,943,000 is a death rate of .0059. Through July 2020 64,037 deaths out of a population of 10,045,000 is a death rate of .0063. An increase of .0004.
How come you only look at the data going back to April when hardly anyone was dying from COVID in the US at that time?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Actually that is an increase in death rate of 7%.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoDawg
you also have to consider that the population of Michigan increased over 102,000 in 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
That's why it is always best to do any stats per capita. That smooths out changes in the raw numbers of population.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog