You haven’t seen anything in Philly. There have been representatives of both parties at every site.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
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You haven’t seen anything in Philly. There have been representatives of both parties at every site.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
That’s false. It’s already been reported that poll watchers were not allowed at some locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You were misled. Do the research and you will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
No you don't. And if you think Trump has helped conservatism, then you've redefined conservatism to whatever Trump does. He's a big spending populist who wants a big federal government. If that's conservatism, I'm out.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Thanks for the tip. To ask the question you asked, you need to show some evidence. That evidence does not exist. Trump has been trying to undermine the results of this election for months (before a single vote was cast). He's the whiner who's trying to cover his backside after probably losing to someone he's been repeatedly saying is functionally comatose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
That post is total bullshit and nothing but your useless opinion. You and Goober remind me of the movie Dumb and Dumber.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I'm sorry your über mensch didn't deliver Glenn.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
And what were republicans before Trump? They certainly were not conservative, and allowed themselves to be run over by democrats. Which I suspect was all part of back room deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You hate Trump so you essentially became a socialist that supports suppression of free speech, abortion, globalism, and a false racism narrative. Your posts, and your vote for Biden prove it.
Your just another emotional little soy boy.
Oh no...Glenn thinks I'm light in the loafers!Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
:laugh:
Well, you’re not denying it. Wouldn’t do any good to anyway because you’re on the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
BTW, you misspelled my name.
I'm sure 6th grade was great for you Glen (got it right!). I'm sorry that the world has moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
OMG! now you know what I know? Are you a god or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
As for your alleged devotion to conservatism you have never demonstrated that via your posts on this forum.
Trump has cut taxes, has eliminated hundreds of government regulations, many of those courtesy of obummer, has rebuilt our military, is strongly in favor of tough law enforcement, when appropriate, is THE anti-illegal immigration president, favors an open, free market, including for healthcare (with the one hiccup on pre-ex...nobody is perfect), believes in the American Dream which is wrought by hard work and that stems from good jobs, to which he has personally rebuilt the US manufacturing sector (with more left to be done), has saved the O&G industry, including opening up more federal land to drilling, has at least paid lip service to religion and the importance of it (I don't know what is truly in his heart, but at least he doesn't bash religion like you libtards do), what else....? I'll think of some more examples of his conservatism.
In the meantime, please list examples of conservatism from your crew: obummer, Killary, Harris-Biden....
I know it's impossible for you to "know" what you say you know. As far as my demonstration of conservatism on this forum...BS. I won't look it all up for you, but I've been here since 2003 and have posted int he politics forum most of that time. The fact that you call trump for free markets shows that you're not in touch with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Is "free markets" and spending all you got? Nothing about hate? You were hating him long before he did broke the rules of free markets and spent like Obama had before him.
Give me a short version of why not taking a screwing from Mexico and Canada is a bad thing and NAFTA was a good thing.
"free" markets? If you are in a boxing match and the guy across from you hitting you has his gloves padded with horseshoes and keeps hitting you below the belt, is it a good honest fight if just YOU follow all the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
This devotion to "free" global markets is just silly when you consider what our government does to hamper business and what is done by overseas markets to assist our competition. "Free" markets where we fail to hold others to such an ideal is what has caused the destruction of our middle class. Yeah, you can get some trinket cheaper, but at the cost of jobs and prosperity here in America.
You must hate black people, because they are the first to suffer with this "free" market policy.
He's always been against free markets and fiscal conservatism. That's your guy. Apparently, he couldn't get enough people on board to get 4 more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Did Trump concede?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Is CNN and MSNBC saying it's over? I now FOX has said it was over.
Oh, I know...you are still getting information from the pollsters.:laugh:
Oh, tell us what was "free market" about NAFTA?
GA is too close to call...that tells you all you need to know. Your super man couldn't deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Lil johnny has done nothing but dodge the questions. But that's okay because we all KNOW the truth. Enough about the libtard pretending to be a conservative...
While I KNOW Trump actually won the election, I do NOT know how this will eventually play out. This wouldn't be the first, nor last, time the Dems have stolen an election. The US Supreme Court tied 4-4 on the ruling of the Penn SC's unconstitutional ruling of defying the Penn legislature, thus leaving that ruling in place. Now with a 9th jurist can/will the US SC take it up again? And there will be dozens of other lawsuits, some of which may make it to the US SC. So, what I do not know is can Trump (and his legal team) overcome this grand theft.
So, the next major concern is the Senate. It is absolutely critical for the GOP to hold the Senate to serve as a check against the Harris-Sanders-Pelosi-AOC commie power grab. Right now it stands 48-48 with 4 races pending. The GOP candidate has a clear lead in 3 of those and the 4th will be a January runoff (in Georgia) and pundits think the GOP candidate, who finished 2nd, will actually have the advantage in the 1-on-1 race. Obviously, the GOP needs to win 3 of these 4 races, at least.
Meanwhile, the Dems hold the House, but somewhat weakened, and maybe! Just maybe! the Dems will come to their senses and boot Pelosi out as speaker. It would be awesome for them to elect an American-leaning Dem (if they can find one) who will be willing to work with the GOP Senate and actually do some good things for Americans. Well...I can dream, can't I?
You don't "KNOW" anything.
Your comment made me chuckle, since earlier you said you “KNOW” how Trump got covid. Nobody (except God) “knows” how he got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Not buying the voter fraud ... vast conspiracy theories are always just what they are -- theories. Identify a culprit. Prosecute a crime. Put people in jail. If you can't, it is likely because the evidence isn't there.
Half of America is red. Put in poll watchers. Keep an eye. Put up a legal case with evidence or admit you lost.
FWIW, there is almost no path for Trump to take NV. They could call it now but they won't because Fox and AP already called AZ which is actually in doubt. NV gives Biden the election according to Fox News and the AP. I think AZ stays blue even with late mail-in votes coming in that lean Trump (this is actually true in AZ). This is one is over. We should know by tonight because GA is going to be done and the mail in votes are coming in blue and Trumps lead is very possible to overcome.
If all goes as expected Biden takes GA, PA, AZ and NV. Even with the polling errors hiding Republican strength, pretty much the expected outcome. The electoral college won't look as close as Trump fans want which shouldn't be a shock because he is going to lose the popular vote by more than he did against Clinton.
On the plus side for Republicans -- Florida is red!!!! The Senate isn't flipping blue, they made gains in state houses/senates AND smart people will note that Hispanics are a hidden goldmine of votes if Republicans play it right. They don't like socialists. It has also become very clear to Democrats that a shifting growth of minorities in America does not necessarily mean a big blue shift. Even blacks shifted slightly red -- albeit just a little. Trump lost the suburbs in blue wall states and in AZ. That was his problem. Trump is losing educated voters in droves. That has to change.
You KNOW Democrats will overplay this win and do dumb things. Winning parties always do. I am looking forward to an invigorated post-Trump Republican party. America needs it.
The country is hopelessly lost and will only spiral downwards. The Leftists (Deforming Democrats) are a slow eating cancer in this country who are eating its fiber from the inside out. Our future is built to fail because for the most part the youth of the country are enormously immoral, blindly ignorant, easily influenced and massively lazy. They’re built for self destruction. Year by year, if we last that long, we’ll be at each other’s throats more and more and each election will only get worse. When the government deep state, elitists, MSM, and big Tech get it in for your whatever group it’ll be over for them. What’s yet to happen is all those entities turning on the Democrats when they don’t want any competition for Globalism. For right now democrat voters are just useful simple minded idiots.
No he knew this was going to happen when the commie loving left demand mail in and during and after Nov 3 post marks. It’s a scam! Besides, you never shut down a national election the night off!!! That’s Marxist commie stuff of legends!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Rumors out there that Trump allowed watermarks put on the real ballots for proof of vote and/or fraud. Hope so!!
There is no fraud. You should really take a minute to read some of the "voter fraud" debunking articles out there. They are numerous. They all pretty much say the same thing. A conspiracy vast enough to shift tens of thousands of votes is impossible to pull off ... ALL of this was expected and Republicans are partly to blame especially in PA.
Biden is catching up there because Democrats are the bulk of the mail-in votes that REPUBLICANS required them to count starting on election day despite the fact that it takes forever to count/validate etc. Trump encouraged his supporters to vote ON election day. Its not complicated. Predominantly Trump voters were counted first. Predominantly Democrat voters were counted second. EXACTLY the optics Trump wanted to see and exactly what we are seeing.
It is becoming clear that PA will not decide this election. AZ or GA and NV likely already have.
The difference in Georgia is within 10,000 votes. It will be close. Biden MAY win GA at this point.
To say it doesn't exist is being intellectually dishonest. There have been two people interviewed earlier this year, who claim to be democrat operatives in NJ and another in PA who have stated that they have participated in and lead teams of people altering votes in local and state elections. The one guy in NJ bragged how his team has impacted the outcome of several NJ races up and including senator races. He said it's real and that he is an active player in it. 3 people in NJ were arrested earlier this year on fraud for mail in ballots in a local race in NJ, including a sitting councilman. It exists, to what level is unknown IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by weunice
No evidence of fraud that has any impact on the outcome of any election. This is just Trump making excuses.
That's your opinion. You have no way of knowing what all is out there until things are sorted out. You are assuming the Trump haters are not desperate. I seem to recall you didn't believe the deep state stuff against Trump either.Quote:
Originally Posted by weunice
You won't accept evidence when you see it. Arguing with logic again...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I feel like we need some violin music with this speech. I can feel a tear forming in my eye.
By all means, produce it. Your unpopular populist screwed the pooch...own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
It's been two days. There is plenty of stuff out there there and you know it. You were wrong about the amount of support he would receive. Own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Love it! But, somehow you claim to KNOW what it is I don't KNOW, but I am not allowed to KNOW what it is I do KNOW. GFY.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Lil johnny...waiting for a response.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Not my crew. You own Trump though. He’s a cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
As evidenced here multiple timeS including Guisslapp why it’s so difficult to be around a liberal. When challenged they always resort to pettiness and personalized insults or attacks. It’s a clear sign of lacking intelligence and self control. The Left’s hatefulness is obviously very extensive and runs deep in their makeup.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
No, soy boys like you are the cancer. You’re easily manipulated and controlled. You posed as some type of conservative for awhile but then voted for socialism, abortion, globalism, the elimination of free speech, and BLM. You have no backbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Irony right there, Magoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
i regret subscribing to this thread. johnny and glen remind me of trump and perry in the 2016 primary debates. or was it trump and cruz? can't remember. that guy has a way of dragging people down to his level (not that perry was ever on a high intellectual plane to begin with).
I could say the same thing about you Gullible Goober. No one on this board has been wrong more often than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You sure it wasn't Biden and Harris in 2020? He kept her from getting on the bus, ya know.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Let that poor girl on the bus, Joe.
I know who you mean but it's still hard to read this without getting my feelings hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
i figured any thought of it fitting you would be so far from the truth as to be unthinkable. it's not your fault uncle rick's side of the family is not where the smart genes went.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I hear the military ballots have yet to be counted in Georgia. Gawd! I hope that is true. Oh, and they get a fair counting.
True...also, provisional ballots haven’t been counted yet either. Decision Desk HQ has called PA for Biden, so GA may not end up mattering.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
So, johnny, I'll ask you the same question I asked Goosey...did you vote Repubs down ticket...just not Trump?
Not all the way down the ticket, but I voted for some republicans down ballot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
No, you and your kind are the cancer for making such a disgusting statement. I despised Obama but I would never call him a cancer. Trump has been under attack with constant lies and misrepresentations for the last four and a half years. Yes, he has earned some of the criticism against him, but much of it was flat out lies. You may disagree with his policies and dislike his style, but to call him a cancer is beyond the pale.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
In Michigan, voting machine "glitches" switched 6,000 Trump votes to Biden in one county and the same software is used in 47 of Michigan's 80 counties. Hmmm....
And now I hear those same machines are used in 30 states. Let me guess...Biden carried all 30 of those states.
The Great One made a good point...in 2000 algore had 37 days chasing chads in just one state, Florida. With all these, ahem, "discrepancies" in 6 states I think the Trump team should get as much time as they need.
Cancer is an appropriate term for someone that attacks truth and trust in the institutions and principles that hold together our democracy, foments division and appeals to the worst instincts in human beings. He was killing the county from within. He was starting to metastasize, too, as he sought out and replaced civil servants with distinguished careers of service with crony loyalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldawg81
You can even see FoxNews starting to pivot away from the outlandish Trump fake conspiracy theory world as their marriage with Trump dissolves. In a radical departure from their M.O. over the past 4 years, even they are finally starting to challenge Trump’s cancerous and unsubstantiated claims of fraud. If they would just get rid of their evening prime time crazies, we might all start living in something that resembles the same dimension again.
Not a machine glitch as it has been called, but a human error in reporting that was caught. And they do have bipartisan canvassing processes, kind of like audits, to catch human errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
A cancer? Hmmm....a cancer? YEP! The Swamp Cancer, the Deep State Cancer!! I know it won't do any good to point out that Trump was under attack from the get-go, dating all the way back to 2015 when he announced his candidacy, and that his "attacks" on all those wonderful institutions you hold so dear were wrought from self-defense. Your TDS does not allow you to view anything objectively, I understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
As for FOX, they are all about reporting the truth. Always have been. Again, your TDS and your devotion to everything anti-American blinds you to the truth. I could now type paragraphs of examples, but I don't have to, because you know the real truth and you know that FOX is fair and balanced and the CNNs of the world are nothing but propaganda machines for the Left. You won't publicly admit that, but you know that is true.
As for Trump, I agree with those advising him to tone down the rhetoric and allow his team of lawyers to properly, legally, ethically investigate the voting results in the disputed states. But then, his rhetoric has always been the one aspect of his presidency many of us disagree with, or at least at times, disagree with. This is one of those times.
AND! if it turns out he lost fair and square I call on him to do the American thing and participate in a smooth, peaceful transition of power. Given his personality that will probably be tough for him, but again, I insist that he step up and handle this properly. It will go a long way to healing some of the wounds and enhancing his legacy. History WILL be kind to him for his great four years. Oh yes, it will, because truth is on his side. He just needs to put the icing on that cake in the transition of power.
That said...just for fun and speculation...what do you think will happen and how will your side handle Trump winning re-election? Do you think there will be violence in the streets? Do you think the rhetoric from your side will be CANCEROUS!!!! :rolleyes4:
We have already heard Biden’s rhetoric. He has spoken twice since Election Day with it being pretty clear he was going to be the next President. His rhetoric has been anti-divisive in strong contrast from what we have been hearing from Donald lame duck Trump over the past 4 years. Did you hear his 2 speeches? What did you think of them?
As usual, you have it backwards. You are a part of the tumor. You just can’t see it because of your TDS and extreme arrogance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Me and at least 74 million other Americans that have seen enough to show up in record turnout to reject an incumbent in favor of a “sleepy” old white guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldawg81
Sleepy old crook, plagiarist, liar protected by 90% of the media, including Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc. If we had honest media, Trump would have won in a landslide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If you want to see your “sleepy” Biden actually be president, you should really hope the republicans keep the senate. As you claim to be a libertarian (you have stated that many times, haha), I would love to hear your thoughts. If the Democrats get the senate, pretty sure madam San Francisco will get rid of sleepy joe and put a true socialist in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You and lightning got your wish, your extreme tds is over. I just hope the liberal/socialists don’t F up too much for the next two years!
I am an independent and don’t care about the parties. I am too pragmatic to be an actual Libertarian, but libertarianism is where my values lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by b00mer1
I am good with a divided government and that is usually a recipe for success. There are some miscreants that can’t be trusted that still need to go - Jordan, Nunes, Cruz, Collins, but I would be just as happy if Republicans would just replace those guys rather than give the seats to Dems. But those guys are places where the Trump cancer mestastasized and government won’t be healthy again until they are gone.
Independent? ROFLMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
And I’m the pope.
Well, if it is indeed over...the presidential race...then I am already looking forward to the thread "Presidential Election 2024."
There is absolutely no doubt there has been voter fraud and voting discrepancies. The question is what it enough to change the outcome? I suspect in most, if not all, cases we're going to see Trump's raw numbers inch up, Biden's down. Heck, that happened after the 2016 election too. But if Trump trails by say, 30,000 votes, and 2,000 are changed...well duh! he still loses that state. I would also think most Americans, even those afflicted by extreme TDS, want to KNOW our elections are fair and accurate.
And, after all legal efforts are made and Trump still trails, then I hope he'll take the high road and gracefully step aside. Yeah, I know, some of you will scoff at that notion, but I do say "I hope."
Now...here's another question, speaking of 2024....can Trump run again? I would think so.
Hmmmm, all identified as "need to go" are republicans. Such an independent!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Is it crowded in your clown car?
Never mind that Pelosi has been nothing but a roadblock to getting some relief to small businesses and Americans in general, or that Shifty Schiff and "Oops! I pooped by pants" Nadler have concocted lies and hoaxes to attack a duly-elected POTUS, or that Maxine "munch mouth" Waters has called for attacks against Republicans, or that Chuckie Boy Schumer has called for unconstitutional procedures in the Senate...nah, it's only the Repubs who "need to go."Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Goosey is not a Libertarian, not a conservative, not a true-red-blooded American, and only pays lip service, at best, to free markets & capitalism. He is an atheistic socialist globalist...period.
Rudy is always good for a laugh.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-garden-centre
Mix up at the Four Seasons. Hahaha
You just described the violent regressive Dems 100% perfectly my friend. That’s!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Thanks!
Well everyone get your checkbooks back out.. US will be sending literally Billions to all of the countries around the world again that mean ole Trump cut off. No wonder Iran, Venezuela, China, France are happy Biden won.. They are all about to get paid..
Hunter will need a 747 to move the money .
Missed the fact that Collins gave up his house seat to lose the Senate race in Georgia. That is another bad egg out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Crazy right there. Well that, and Borat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Now some are saying Pfizer purposely delayed announcing this news until after the election. I don't know...
Sounds like the type of thing that some would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Pfizer is denying it saying they only just got some more data this morning. Of course, it does look suspicious. And, if they did pull that stupid FBI excuse of "not wanting to get political and influence the election" than they did by not disclosing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
BTW, I hear the FBI has found child porn on Hunter's laptop.
Joe Manchin says he will not support/vote for ending the filibuster or packing the SC. Now, I don't know if he is truly trying to be reassuring or if he is playing a rope-a-dope throwing a curve in hopes this takes the edge off of the GOP's efforts in Georgia. Yes, I am very cynical.
And ole AOC is growing frustrated Americans refuse to line up and march in lockstep (goose-step) behind her into socialism. She is feeling under-appreciated and she is disgusted with how stupid people are. Goosey, you should Facebook message her and tell her she's got you fooled. That should make her feel better. Of course...the world needs bar maids too.
Not even 3 full Cowboy stadiums worth of votes nationwide separate Trump and Biden (276,000). We shall see but this small number is so easy for Dems historic illegal tactics to steal.
Published 1 hour ago
Biden beat Trump by less than 276,000 votes in key swing states.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...s-swing-states
More than double the margin of Trump’s win over Clinton (and still growing). She handled the situation more like a man than Trump!Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
That's a another lie by you and your lying peeps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Trump won by 44k in PA, 10k in MI, and 22k in Wisconsin. That is what kept Clinton from winning the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Learn some facts, Jack.
Really?? She has been whining for four years that the election was stolen from her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Hillary is a man. But Trump didn’t cheat like Biden, the DNC, Soros, social media kings, all liberal arse media and the “community organizer”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Stay on track Jack. You and your peeps are not lying about what happened in 2020, not what happened in 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Trump gains now put AZ within 0.5%. Recount likely.
An update to the Arizona vote count posted the evening of Monday, Nov. 9, shows the gap between the two presidential candidates shrink even more.
Overall, Joe Biden now leads in the state by 14,746 votes, down from 16,952 votes on Sunday afternoon. This puts President Trump within about half of a percentage point from Biden with approximately 61,500 ballots left to be counted.
Arizona is kind of irrelevant as this point (CNN still hasn’t called it), but it would be a suckers bet to get on Trump winning it even with a recount. Virtually no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Virtually no chance if it were ONLY Arizona in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
https://i.imgur.com/GmylitI.jpg
I don't think this is over yet.. and BTW.. for those who need memories refreshed Gore did not concede to Bush for 37 days after election. So no Trump is not going scorched earth by not conceding yet.
That is true, and algore was within his rights to ask for every stone (chad) to be over turned. And that was in just one state, and really 1 or 2 counties, as I recall. So, with huge questions lingering across 5 or 6 states, I would think 37 days just won't get it done. In fact, the scheduled inauguration of the next president might need to be postponed indefinitely.
The Left only has itself to blame due to the decades of voter fraud and cheating they are known for. Ya know, however remote it might be, there is a chance Biden won, or could have won, this election fairly. I still think he'd have beaten Trump in 2016 fair and square, and probably fairly easily. But 2020 is a different year and both candidates are viewed differently by honest, good Americans. Yes, because of the deck stacked against him, and to a certain extent, his own mouth (or Tweets) Trump was fighting a tough, uphill battle. But it was still his to win, in a true fair election. Now Biden and the Dems are crying foul after it was they who have tainted the whole process!
As you sow, so shall you reap...
Fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
LOL.. guess Ken Dilanian got something on his phone that he did not like... ***warning language***
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/statu...08083262124034
This post claiming fake news is itself, fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Maybe his boyfriend 1 learned about his boyfriend 2....Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
https://i.imgur.com/uRMDYnz.png
Oh snap.. looks like the inventor of email has uncovered some potential programming issues with the Dominion election software.. for full disclosure.. I don't know who this guy is.. but to be able to say you are the "inventor of email".. that's pretty cool..
You should look this guy up. A Republican quack.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Of course, anyone that spends their life getting 4 degrees from MIT clearly is at least a little crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
My son may end up getting his doctorate from MIT.. if he decides to pursue it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
They have (and are) a great view of the Charles River that I'm absolutely envious of.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Pay special attention to the interaction in the middle page.
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-c...Transcript.pdf
Charles Hurt — Stop the Pearl Clutching: Election Suspicions Are Legit
At this point in the 2016 election, the sitting president had already weaponized the federal government into a sprawling covert-spy operation against the man who had just been elected president. It would be years, however, before guilty parties even admitted that they had, indeed, used the government to spy on their political opponents at the height of a national election.
So please, spare me all the pearl-clutching over President Trump and 70 million American citizens who are today rightly suspicious about whether this latest election was stolen.
All the experts in the political press assured us — with mountains of polling “evidence” — that Mr. Trump would lose this election in a double-digit landslide. And he would take half the Republican Party down with him.
That did NOT happen. In many ways, they were even more wrong this time than they were in 2016.
So please, shove it where your head has been these past four years as Mr. Trump pursues every available legal option in these races that have turned out to be so razor-close that anyone remotely interested in fair and honest elections would want a closer, careful look.
For four years now, the decent citizens of this country have suffered through the unhinged mental breakdown of the national political media, baying like crazed hounds chasing after the craziest conspiracy theories that foreign governments could come up with.
Some of the most deranged toilet hounds still cling to the dirtiest scraps from Moscow hotel rooms.
So please, Twitter, curb yourself. If you want to tag conspiracy theories on your stupid “platform,” start with the ones that have been peddled by the Kremlin during the entire Trump administration.
And it’s not just the national media that’s exposed itself. At the highest levels of government, elected officials have proven themselves to be dishonest, corrupt, and willing to embrace the most implausible conspiracy theories — so long as they can be used against President Trump.
It all culminated in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s craven, fraudulent pursuit of impeachment over a phone call that took place 18 months AFTER her impeachment inquiry began.
More
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elect...ons-are-legit/
kinda strange for the headline to be about the guy recanting, when he says himself that he didn't recant, and all they have is anonymous sources (i guess they get points for including that detail in the 4th paragraph, but still...). i'm not saying they're not right; i'm not saying their sources aren't reliable. it just strikes me that every news report seems to have an agenda these days. why are all of the news media (including fox, i'm told) and big tech trying to push a narrative right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
let them do their legal challenge and let's see if it has any merit. my opinion on the subject has no bearing on the results of the challenge. why is it so important for them to convince me that joe biden is already the president-elect?
The concern is that lying about election fraud has the effect of undermining faith in our democratic process. Trump has spent the last 4 years sewing seeds of doubt about election fraud. He even formed that commission to disprove that he actually lost the popular legal vote and the commission worked for 2 years never finding the fraud he claimed was there. Trump’s attacks on our democratic process ramped up again before this election. Every time he alleges something without evidence it has been disproven. There is nothing different this time.
If you look at the data, it shows that Republicans have generally thought our elections are fair (to a tune of about 70%) and it has been that way forever. And then all of a sudden, since Trump appeared on the scene that number has dropped down to nearly 30%. Democracies are fragile, and Trump has attacked faith in the institutions that hold it together. That damage transcends politics and will destroy the country if not checked.
Normally, “truth” and facts would be a check on that sort of thing. But truth and facts get lost in all of this. The real problem is that even once all the credible allegations get investigated, and are disproven, the disproven conspiracy theory that hundreds of thousands of illegal votes cost Trump the election, will endure to the detriment of the country.
Mainstream media is doing their job - reporting the facts and investigating naked allegations before running with it. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise.
What they are doing declaring Biden President Elect is no different than what they did with Trump, Obama, W, Clinton... The “convincing” people that he is President Elect is just reporting on the known facts as always.
Btw, part of the reason this conspiracy theory is getting the oxygen it doesn’t deserve is because Trump still has many Republican leaders by the short hairs. Some feel obliged to play this game out of fear of retribution and they really don’t want to lose their swamp jobs.