Yes, but have you seen Ron Klain’s comments on the video clip? It provides relevant context. I already posted what he said about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
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Yes, but have you seen Ron Klain’s comments on the video clip? It provides relevant context. I already posted what he said about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
If so, who paid Klain off? Soros? The Clinton Foundation? Russia? China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Interesting development:
Federal Judge Rules PA Gov Wolfe’s Shutdown Unconstitutional
quote:“The liberties protected by the Constitution are not fair weather freedoms in place when times are good but able to be cast aside in times of trouble...But even in an emergency, the authority of government is not unfettered...There is no question that this Country has faced, and will face, emergencies of every sort...But the solution to a national crisis can never be permitted to supersede the commitment to individual liberty that stands as the foundation of the American experiment. The Constitution cannot accept the concept of a ‘new normal’ where the basic liberties of the people can be subordinated to open ended emergency mitigation measures.”
A federal judge ruled on Monday that Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's (D) coronavirus orders, which shut down the state, closed businesses and limited gatherings, were unconstitutional.
-Judge William Stickman IV
Wonder how this would play, if any, into lawsuits filed by business owners who lost businesses during this period due to shutdown orders. Especially when some businesses were allowed to remain open.. (i.e. Liquor stores, Walmart, tobacco stores etc.)
I'm sure this will shock some of you but thought I would let you all know, that yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held here in the central Louisiana area. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю,что вытащил ослиные уши.
horashow [good] Ya [I] chuvstvuyu sebya nemnogo [a little] stranno ee Ya [and I] dumayu, chto [that/what] vitashil osliney ushi.
Sorry, it's been 20 years since I took a pa-ruski class.
According to Google translate: “I feel a little weird and I think I pulled out donkey ears.“
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Yeah, well...the vaccine has side effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
My favorite uncle (age 86) is about to die WITH China Virus not OF China Virus. He has suffered from dementia for years. China Virus didn't kill him, but he will be counted as one of the bogus numbers. There are THOUSANDS more like him, but as long as it make the Orange Man look bad...
Sorry to hear that. Dementia is rough.
Prayers for y’all. Been down that road.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Very sorry to hear this. Heartbreaking illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I talked to a physician this weekend (a 2016 Trump voter). He said that there are fiscal incentives to treat COVID cases, but that hospitals are subject to a rack audit which means, if they are shown to have inflated the numbers, they will owe what they erroneously charged. There is NO fiscal incentive to label a death a COVID death.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Every hospital is faced with a rack audit annually - and most all end up "owing" back monies previously paid - pneumonia and step-down beds were the two main culprits prior to this...
Yes there is risk - but they have been told/taught how to "code" and justify such cases to avoid the audit finding and charge back...
Maybe nothing new to you, but it sure pokes a bunch of holes in some of the tinfoil hat conspiracies about the death numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Did you read what he said?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
No it doesn't. The treatment up until death is were they get the extra treatment money. Of course they have to label them "death by covid", but the extra money has already been accounted for at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I've looked, but can't find the numbers for this...my daughter tested positive for China Virus days before giving birth to her first child so they had to go through the space suit thing during the delivery. Amazingly a few days after delivery, my daughter, her husband, and the baby all tested negative. My question(s) are how much did the false positive (if it actually was positive) gain the hospital and staff vs. a normal delivery. Also, how many China Virus deliveries have their been?
Sure it does. Essentially, you have to show a MASS conspiracy just to hurt Trump. That’s crazy.
You are crazy if you think these China Virus numbers aren't being inflated for that specific purpose...to hurt Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Show me some evidence. I KNOW my contacts have no interest in code things to hurt Trump. They hate Biden as much as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Sorry about your uncle!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
there’s nothing about Biden not to hateQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Then you're left with a flimsy conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Less than 5 minutes of listening to ABC, CBS, NBC, etc proves there is a conspiracy against him. They ALL get the same hot button words every morning. Are you denying this?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Conspiracy? Yeah, I'll deny that. But it's of no matter. The conspiracy must reach SO many physicians at so many levels that it's simply impossible. The death numbers will be revised UP. Nothing is inconsistent. I don't understand why you guys can't admit that Trump's public face drastically undersold the severity of this virus. That's not even considering the long-term issues that those infected will have to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The mantra matters and it is 90% anti-Trump. You, like all RINOs, think it is deserved. The number approaching 200K is nowhere near that when you factor in deaths by natural causes that are being included as death by covid. That should bother you, but it is anti-Trump so you eat it up like a good RINO.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Why should it bother me? It should only bother me if this was not in keeping with how we count viral deaths in the medical community. Like I said, there is no inconsistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Has it ever occurred to you that it may be anti-Trump because Trump screwed up?
Trump did not screw up. Some mayors and guvnars screwed up, others screwed up...including WHO and the Chicoms, but I am being kind allowing them to be included as mere screw-ups. Individuals who ignored sage advice on wearing masks and social distancing screwed up. Of course, I suppose one could try to make the case that Trump screwed up for not invoking martial law and controlling all aspects of people's movements, etc... But, I kind of think such action would have generated some criticism...ya think!?
BTW, I hope there is a viable vaccine sooner, rather than later, and don't care who gets the political credit for it. I doubt the anti-Trumpers will echo that sentiment, they would rather wait until Trump is out of office before a vaccine is created. But it would be unfortunate to have to wait until January, 2025 for a vaccine...
So, you believe that, had Trump conveyed the seriousness of the virus (which he clearly grasped) to the American public, there would be MORE than 200K dead?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
No it doesn't -Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It actually lends credence to the conspiracies...
The correct question is -Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
How many of the 200k would have died over the same time frame without the virus? 50%, 60%, 70% or more?
My educated guess is that 60% to 70% of those individuals would have passed in the same general 6 month time frame without the virus
Literally no evidence for that. Not to mention the scale of the conspiracy makes it beyond impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
How is that any different than the yearly flu numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Logic is beyond you when it comes to hating Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Thousands have died who would have died anyway and you say there is no evidence of that. That's the same as saying the 200,000 would be alive if it weren't for Trump and his virus. Think about what your are saying.
If you delve into the hospital numbers it's there...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Being one who sits on such a board, it's not hard to see
and one whose spouse is a primary care giver who has been in the trenches since day one it's not hard to see
You can believe what you want to believe - but a big effort is made to tie the virus in for financial reasons
It's not - but we don't tank an economy and lock down the population for the prevention/eradication of the fluQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Which is POINT 1 A all along....
Again, if this is going to be a conspiracy, you gotta show me how the MO has changed with this virus. Right now, we're attributing LESS to COVID than we would with flu. You don't get a COVID label without a positive tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
My info comes from a primary care physician who is treating this stuff every day. He's a Trump supporter and has no interest in hurting Trump.
That's a false equivalence. We have proven therapy and a vaccine for the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
You have a shot or shots. Not a vaccineQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
WrongQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
No I'm not. Polio, smallpox and Tetanus have vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
CDC calls it a vaccine. Not sure what your point is...seems like semantics in an effort to miss the point.
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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Thanks for the kind words. He died about an hour ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
Ask your doctor friend. I don't care what the CDC calls it. There is not A vaccine against A certain strain of the flu. If there were, nobody would get sick after taking THE FLU SHOT. You ever seen them advertise for FLU VACCINES at the drug stores?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Sorry to hear that Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
However you see it, we ain't got one for COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
We have an accepted therapy and an annual flu SHOT - not a proven vaccine i.e. polio & small pox which have all but been eradicatedQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Y’all are straining gnats and ignoring the camel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Should have already had a shot or vaccine by now? Is that what you are saying? It’s already obvious that anything coming out while bad orange man is in charge will be poo pooedQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
No one thinks that. But you are drama queening once again. You have a clear lead on Frisco at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Right none of you Trump haters are dreading a shot or vaccine while he is in charge. The pair of idiots you are voting for have both said they won’t trust a vaccine developed while Bad orange man is in office. You are a drama queen if you don’t denounce the brown one and Biden for saying itQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The sooner the better is what we think.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
No, I’m saying “we don’t shut down the economy for the flu” is not a good argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
And, add Mayo to the list of those who called the flu shot (or nasal mist) a vaccine.
Who is "we"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Who said that? It was a great argument for Obama and his flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Literally everybody I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Yeah, like you all want peace in the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Just like we prefer the state of Iran’s nuclear program under Obama than the advancements they have made under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Just the opposite.Quote:
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So sorry to hear Monty!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I think it will be viable a few weeks before the election and FDA approved.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Sounds like you need a new group of friends in Houston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Because we all hope there is a vaccine soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
They have a shot-and hope they have the right strains included each year. There is no vaccine and generally no reason to take the shot. This year I might.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I contracted a rare strain of the flu...the Congo Flu...that was not included in the flu shot given that year. That was 2013. Was in Ireland-England and started feeling bad on the flight from London to Houston. Was running a rather high fever by the time we reached Houston.
Most of the time getting the annual flu shot is a good idea. Just stay away from folks confined in an airport for hours, who hail from exotic places...
A few years back I was the only one in my family that got the shot. Two teenagers, my wife, my 92 year old mother and me in the household. One of us got the flu...ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
My wife has gotten the flu shot every year I have known her. She has never had the flu. I get it sometimes, and sometimes I don't. I did not get the flu shot in '13 but my doctor told me it wouldn't have mattered. I did not get the flu shot in 2010 when I got obummer's Mexican Flu. Every year I have gotten the flu shot...no flu for me. And that is 100% of the time. Maybe the shot works for some people, but not for others. I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Over 200,000 American COVID deaths. Taiwan, more populous than the state of New York, still at 7.
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
We should have done what Taiwan did. What did they do? Why is Taiwan the only country that did whatever they did?
They stayed ahead of the disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Brilliant of you to come up with that. Where is your China Virus IQ when us deplorables need it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
LOL. At least he stopped comparing us to Hong Kong, which has ONE major airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
It's still an island with a very centralized power structure. No Cuomos to deal with while they blow up the nation's statistics (and then blame Trump after threatening to sue him numerous times when he attempted to get everyone on the same page).
Saw a chart....and no, I don't remember the details...that showed if New Jersey and New York states were nations they would be #1 and #2 worst on the planet in China virus stats, and with those two removed the rest of the US fairs very well.
Tiawan - 24 million on an islandQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
New York State - 8.4 million
New Jersey - 8.9 million
California - 40 million
What about Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
What about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
My point was to your point. You think isolation of the china virus on an island is comparable to what we should have done in an area spreading from East Coast to West Coast. Throw Texas in there if you please. We had 50 different people in charge. Many with political motivations over common sense.
You choosing Taiwan as an example is as silly as me choosing South Dakota.
We had 50 different people in charge because the one person that was actually in charge and received National security briefings on the subject abdicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
That is the inconvenient fact that you keep trying to dance around.
That's a dog whistle lie that's not working. You have nothing to back this up other than a liberal journalist interview. What else is new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Keep calm was the message he chose to use after watching the idiot toilet paper and water hoarders in action...your peeps.
We have the tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Yeah...Woodward must’ve gotten Frank Caliendo to impersonate Trump on the recordings!
Yes, I saw it. Nothing there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The lack of a coherent, consistent national strategy is the absolute damnable truth of the matter. Especially in light of Woodward conversations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The President claimed “absolute authority”, found out that didn’t fly with the Constitution, and left States to deal with it to their own. Remember, even, when the national stockpile became “ours”, not the State’s.
That was a pretty shrewd political move in some universe, I suppose.
Yes, it's called a Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
The stockpiles (most wasted) were gathered by Trump, not the blue state governors. Your hero JBE was in a panic over what might happen in Orleans/Jefferson.
Okay.. Guissy and Johnny can blame Trump because he mishandled the covid crisis, however the CDC, who are the so-called "experts" have fumbled the ball on many occasions. Another revision:
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CDC says it erroneously posted guidance that said coronavirus spreads through air and travels beyond 6 feet
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday it erroneously posted guidance saying the coronavirus spreads through airborne particles that can remain suspended in the air and travel beyond 6 feet.
The updated guidance, posted on the CDC’s website on Friday, also recommended that people use air purifiers to reduce airborne germs indoors to prevent the disease from spreading, according to Reuters.
“A draft version of proposed changes to these recommendations was posted in error to the agency’s official website,” the CDC said Monday. “CDC is currently updating its recommendations regarding airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19). Once this process has been completed, the update language will be posted.”
How could you blame Trump for flip flopping when the experts have been "wrong" so many times. I would place more blame on "experts" and CDC than Trump. Trump is not an expert on virology, CDC is supposed to be. If they had just said "we don't know", that would have gone a long way in sustaining their credibility IMO
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/21/cdc-...-six-feet.html
Who appointed the leader of the CDC?
CDC is more than just one person.. not buying it.. But as long as it makes Trump look bad.. you don't care to hold the "experts" accountable..Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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Originally Posted by FriscoDog
That's not it at all. It's just hilarious that you guys think Trump has no accountability when HE'S THE PRESIDENT!
I don't expect perfection. This is a novel virus and it's tough to figure out. Frankly, I'd be pleased if the President would just stop undercutting the CDC's direction...too much to ask I know.
Believe it or not, I agree with you. Trump is the POTUS and the buck ultimately stops with him. That said, the "experts" don't really seem to be "experts" do they. So who should Trump listen to in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I don’t think being wrong about one thing or another invalidates expertise...particularly when dealing with a novel virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
What??? The media and socialist liberal ilk accuse him 24/7 of breathing air and growing hair illegally. And then they just plain make stupid smit up!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
My gosh he the most “held accountable” of any President ever and yes having to defend himself against pure evil hatred.
The lack of a coherent, consistent national strategy is the absolute damnable truth of the matter. Especially in light of Woodward conversations.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The strategic national stockpile is not for red nor blue. Also damnable. Trump let Kusher and some ‘volunteers’ run a shit show there. No GSA, and more importantly, no DLA. Wasted? Air bridge?? There’s no telling what that cost, for very little return.
If President Trump were as upfront to the nation as he was to Woodard on 7 February, we’d be having a very different year.
What’s that have to do with the Republic?Quote:
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...remarks-163181
Seriously? You think these people who are rioting, burning, and looting right now would have reacted responsibly? His "keep calm" speech was directed at fools who were buying the toilet paper, water, and maxing out their WIC cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Tell me what you think would have been different.
I won't go into the Republic thing and how the states have the right to make their own decisions regarding their safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
So you’re supporting Creepy Joe and Heels Up? Just like to have everyone on the record, that adds important context to their post.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
Did I miss the keep calm speech?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
How many instances of looting, rioting, and burning occurred in Louisiana? And how much did that contribute to Louisiana being 1st in the US in per capita deaths from Covid?
He lied about having intelligence briefings. Why not tell people the truth? Even poor Boris Johnson’s reasoned, rational tone just today...is that too much to expect?
Not supporting, per se. I’m not voting for Trump again, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Yes, you must have missed the many "keep calm" speeches.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbodawg
You keep referencing Louisiana like we are some kind of great example of peace here since we don't have a Seattle situation going on. Louisiana is near the top in obesity, hypertension, and overall sick people. Those are the ones who died because they refused to stay home and or distance. Also, the elderly who were past life expectancy account for many of the Louisiana deaths due to dying WITH China Virus instead of FROM China Virus.
No he didn't lie about intelligence briefings. Try to keep your accusations straight. He supposedly lied to the American people about how the China Virus was nothing to worry about AFTER having been informed otherwise in intelligence briefings. Which is also untrue.
Remember when Bush downplayed 9/11 or FDR downplayed the attack on Pearl Harbor to keep folks from panicking?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Part of the job of being president is to level with the American people about the threat and get the American people to buy into the plan. Trump is utterly incapable of being this kind of leader.
BULLSHIT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Trump is the most capable leader we have had since Reagan and one of the best all-time.
So ridiculous to compare the China Virus to 9/11 or WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Pretty sure I could go back in the archives and find quotes from you bashing Bush for mishandling the 9/11 stuff. You were omniscient then too. Actually, you could blame Reagan for 9/11 because he didn't pay the hostage ransom, pissed off the Muslims, and caused the hate that caused 9/11.