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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Just....GIGO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The communists used the dominion machines to overthrow the government in Venezuala. Can it happen here in the USA? Those machines were hooked up to the internet while people were voting. That's insane!!!!! Our only hope is that all of this evidence goes to the supreme court and the court sees it for what it really is, a communist attempt to overthrow our government. Read my post on Biden's cabinet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/o....co/sUQVBBRoI3
Where do you guys see yourselves on this list?
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There have been few surprises this past month in how Donald Trump has dealt with the reality of his electoral defeat.
Anyone familiar with his career could have predicted that he would claim to have been cheated out of victory. Anyone watching how he wielded power (or, more often, didn’t) as president could have predicted that his efforts to challenge the election results would be embarrassing, ridiculous and dismissed with prejudice in court. And anyone watching how the Republican Party dealt with his ascent could have predicted that its leaders would mostly avoid directly rebuking him, relying instead on the inertial forces of American democracy, the conscientiousness of judges and local officialdom, and Trump’s own incompetence to turn back his final power grab.
So far, so predictable. But speaking as a cynical observer of the Trump era, one feature of November did crack my jaded shell a bit: not his behavior or the system’s response, but the sheer scale of the belief among conservatives that the election was really stolen, measured not just in polling data but in conversations and arguments, online and in person, with people I would not have expected to embrace it.
Not looking good! 😡
Published 45 mins ago
Sidney Powell 'Kraken' lawsuit dismissed in Georgia after defeat in Michigan
Lawsuits alleged widespread voter fraud and errors having to do with absentee ballots and vote counting.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sid...orgia-michigan
What do you expect from the New York Times? They're a major source of fake news, and have done no investigation of the election at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
Duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
That's an opinion column. It's true that he's starting from the (logical) conclusion that Biden won the election, but the most interesting thing to me (besides the introduction that I quoted above and would echo) is the wrap-up with the various approaches you might take when discussing this with people falling into his 3 categories. He even points outQuote:
Originally Posted by DONW
And - gives you some other conservative voices:Quote:
"Have I persuaded anyone with these arguments? Maybe not, and as a columnist for a noted establishment organ, I’m probably not the best person to make them anyway. "
I find all of his arguments to his imaginary category examples compelling, but my favorite is the first.Quote:
That distinction belongs to people more enmeshed in the conservative universe, scribes for National Review and talk-radio hosts and conservative media critics, all of whom are the more important arguers for an intra-Republican debate.
Although it's been interesting to me in this thread (and in other places) how even that doesn't seem to resonate. It's always just "well, they were saving the good stuff for the Supreme Court" or "typical liberal judges" (regardless of who appointed them or what their history says) or the best and most common of "yeah well, what about this new (not new) rock-sold (not rock-solid) undebunkable (already debunked) claim being made?"Quote:
To the conspiracy-curious Republican whose curiosity is validated by Trump’s allegations of fraud, I’ve suggested that the place to look for fire amid the smoke is in claims that the president’s lawyers are actually willing to advance in court, as opposed to in news conferences, semiofficial hearings and on Twitter. Those lawyers — especially now that it’s mostly just the Rudy Giuliani show — have every incentive to blow a fraud case wide open. If their legal claims don’t actually allege fraud or they fall apart under scrutiny, then so should your assumption that the president’s blustering must have some real-world correlative.
Even though I don't think either is an amazing person or really someone I'd want in Congress, I do hope that this fraud stuff doesn't cost the GOP the Senate. I see that even some of the formerly biggest "he was robbed" proponents are now backing off of the "protest the vote" bit for the runoff. But man, if they were to lose those seats (which should be slam dunks) due to this stuff, it'd just be chickens coming home to roost. I'd really rather have a split government (if we've got to have a 2 party system, which I hate) so I'm hoping they don't bungle this.
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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Ya think?Quote:
“[T]his lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek—as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court— and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government,” Parker said.
What news source are you using for information on the voter fraud in this election? You seem to believe everything the New York Times writes and they have not investigated the fraud in the election at all. The voter fraud in this election is very broad and telling. The democrats knew they couldn't beat Trump in a fair election. So, the Chinese did not want to deal with Trump again and they created the virus and sent it to the USA along with other countries around the world. Remember when Trump shut off the Chinese from coming to our country. Biden said Trump was Xenophobic for doing this. I think Biden was in on this and knew the Chinese were going to do it. The democrats seized on this opportunity to cheat with the mail in ballots and the crooked dominion voting machines that were connected to the internet and could be manipulated just like they had been used in Venezuala when Chavez took over.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I'm surprised that you're not seeking the truth rather than quoting articles from the New York Times propaganda machine.
“[T]his lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek—as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court— and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government,” Parker said.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
If it is as this guy says, it comes close to the foolishness of the fake impeachment gasping and fainting. Close, but not quite as bad.
That was some monumental stupidity...but maybe it won them the House in the midterm elections in 2018. But it's kinda idiotic to start complaining about trust in government after supporting that fiasco. Hypocritical too.
You mean when Trump attempted to leverage US foreign policy to get dirt on a political rival? No, that was Trump destroying trust in the government again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
That was BS and proven to be BS. You are back to believing Slippery Sméagol Schiff again. 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I don't regularly read the New York Times. I'm not even sure I could (I think it's mostly paywalled). I saw a link to this column, read it and liked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
Here is yet another column that seems relevant (this time from a conservative news source, albeit one that is highly critical of Trump). The most relevant piece in particular addresses your theory about COVID as a plot to overturn the election, but the whole thing is worth reading.
https://thedispatch.com/p/conspiracy...e-incompatible
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Here’s a simple fact: The more you know about how government actually works, the less likely you are to believe anyone is actually in control. The idea that secret cabals could blow up the World Trade Center or steal the election, with the active participation of hundreds or thousands of conspirators, is beyond laughable when you consider that passing a budget is often beyond the capabilities of those “in charge.”
They've got a good fact check section, too.
https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/
LOL. I bet your world has unicorns, leprechauns and Adam Schiff in it. Well, ignorance is bliss they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You would know.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow