Global Warming Cont...

Faith leads to action on global warming
A group of evangelical leaders properly urges Christians, including the president, to confront climate change
Monday, February 13, 2006
C limate change is real, it threatens millions of the world's most vulnerable people and it demands action by people of faith, a group of evangelical Christian leaders say in a powerful new statement.

Amen to that. The call to action on global warming recently issued by 86 prominent evangelical leaders is a welcome and significant new voice in the debate over how the United States should respond to climate change.

For years, President Bush has largely ignored the chorus of scientists, environmental groups, government officials and many others urging serious action on global warming. Catholic, Jewish and other religious groups also have called for a response. But now some of the people closest to President Bush, both spiritually and politically, are pressing him to take serious steps to address climate change.

The signatories to the statement include the heads of several dozen Christian colleges and universities, directors of relief organizations such as the Salvation Army, and evangelical leaders such as Rick Warren, the nationally known megachurch pastor. They have crafted a statement that reaches four important conclusions.

The first is that human-induced climate change is real. The document cites the overwhelming scientific consensus about global warming, including the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of the world's leading science and policy experts who have studied climate change for more than 25 years.

The second conclusion is that the consequences of climate change will be significant, and land hardest on the world's poor. The third is that Christian moral convictions demand a response to climate change. "Love of God, love of neighbor, and the demands of stewardship," the statement reads, "are more than enough reason for evangelical Christians to respond to the climate change problem with moral passion and concrete action."

The fourth conclusion is that it is urgent that the United States act now. The evangelical leaders call on the government, businesses, churches and individuals to reduce carbon dioxide emissions that are the primary cause of climate change.

Specifically, they urge the Bush administration and Congress to pass and implement mandatory, market-based mechanisms to reduce carbon emissions. That is exactly what the president has resisted, even as other industrialized nations have responded to overwhelming evidence of climate change.

Yet the many voices demanding action have never been this loud -- or this close -- to President Bush. The world should be praying that he finally hears, and heeds, them.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

For years, President Bush has largely ignored the chorus of scientists, environmental groups, government officials and many others urging serious action on global warming. Catholic, Jewish and other religious groups also have called for a response. But now some of the people closest to President Bush, both spiritually and politically, are pressing him to take serious steps to address climate change.

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Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if the Baptist groups jump on the bandwagon if Sooner, Tyler and some of the other right wingers will suddenly change their :drummer: and :guitarist

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

I could see the the above highlighted in red (being hurricanes, tsunami, freak waves and the such) being due in part to Global Warming. But only because GOD is allowing, and maybe even causing,

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Allowing, yes I can buy that.

Causing? Tougher sell. Personally, I dont think God is very happy with the all the changes his children have made in the past 150 years. Especially with how we are treating good old mother earth.

Thats my take anyway.

Salty, that article is old news. Anyway, Rick Warren is rich enough to be liberal now. :)

Alta, I sure am glad your relationship to God is close enough that you have had conversations with him about the environment. That would explain kooky views on the environment. :icon_wink

Oh, by the way. When did I earn my lable as a "right winger?" I am a disciple of the Dirtydawg school of politics. Think for myself.

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Oh, by the way. When did I earn my lable as a "right winger?" I am a disciple of the Dirtydawg school of politics. Think for myself.

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Sorry, my bad. Your right wing on this issue.

So, "nonalarmist" equals "right wing." MAN, I need to take a refresher poli-sci course while I'm back in Ruston. :)

Where do I fit, as long as we're handing out labels? I agree that our planet is suffering tremendous abuse at the hands of our race, and that our ridiculous and unnecessary dependence on fossil fuels is a significant contributor to that abuse (among many other, even more inane examples). But I do not agree that the doomsday scenarios and Chicken-Little dances that are being performed based on a relatively short stream of data "confirming" the notion of global warming are entirely based on good science. Where do I fit on the right-left continuum?

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Originally Posted by Brian96

So, "nonalarmist" equals "right wing." MAN, I need to take a refresher poli-sci course while I'm back in Ruston. :)

Where do I fit, as long as we're handing out labels? I agree that our planet is suffering tremendous abuse at the hands of our race, and that our ridiculous and unnecessary dependence on fossil fuels is a significant contributor to that abuse (among many other, even more inane examples). But I do not agree that the doomsday scenarios and Chicken-Little dances that are being performed based on a relatively short stream of data "confirming" the notion of global warming are entirely based on good science. Where do I fit on the right-left continuum?

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your close to good, just a little too right of center on the alta-continuum. We'll work on it. Or rather, the evidence will work on you and you shall correct to center naturally.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

I will give you guys this much I might agree to and the verse in the Bible that allows me to do just that. When the disciples asked Jesus what would be a sign of the "End of Times/Age", these below were just a small part of his answer.

Luke 21:25-28

Luke 21 Read This Chapter21:25 "There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on the earth distress among nations confused by the roaring of the sea and the waves. 21:26 People will faint from fear and foreboding of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 21:27 Then they will see "the Son of Man coming in a cloud' with power and great glory. 21:28 Now when these things begin to take place, stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

I could see the the above highlighted in red (being hurricanes, tsunami, freak waves and the such) being due in part to Global Warming. But only because GOD is allowing, and maybe even causing, it to happen as a sign of the End of Times and His coming. These signs, as well as many others mentioned in the Bible, are meant as a warning to get your house in order and to point others/non-believers to Christ.

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GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.

Don't stand around with your 2 hands in your pockets waiting for the Jesus to come back.

Satan is behind global warming and the other damage we are doing to the planet Earth. God is disgusted with the way we are treating His world. It is only a matter of time before His wrath is felt.

I'm surprised that so many Christians have been fooled by that Thrice-Great Magician, Satan, especially when it comes to protecting God's creation. Satan wants to destroy it and he is by using our lust, greed and vanity to accomplish his purposes.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.

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Not in the Bible Salty

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Don't stand around with your 2 hands in your pockets waiting for the Jesus to come back.

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Not happening here.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Satan is behind global warming and the other damage we are doing to the planet Earth. God is disgusted with the way we are treating His world. It is only a matter of time before His wrath is felt.

I'm surprised that so many Christians have been fooled by that Thrice-Great Magician, Satan, especially when it comes to protecting God's creation. Satan wants to destroy it and he is by using our lust, greed and vanity to accomplish his purposes.

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Gee, I never thought I would hear you blame anything on SATAN like us rightwing Christians might do......Hum..... Read the verses again Salty. I still bet GOD is possibly allowing these signs mentioned above to point to His coming and to get your house in order. BTW, who caused the Great Flood that killed who knows how many millions of people. And who has shown signs using the stars before (Star of Bethleham). Of course GOD can do these things. He is GOD.

Luke 21 Read This Chapter21:25 "There will be signs in the sun, the moon (WE DID GO TO THE MOON DIDN'T WE?), and the stars (we are now seeing events in the stars never imagined before), and on the earth distress among nations confused by the roaring of the sea and the waves. (Hurricanes and Tsunami) 21:26 People will faint from fear and foreboding of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 21:27 Then they will see "the Son of Man coming in a cloud' with power and great glory. 21:28 Now when these things begin to take place, stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

salty, what's up with the faith-based science? don't you take a skeptical view of anything?

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Originally Posted by Brian96

So, "nonalarmist" equals "right wing." MAN, I need to take a refresher poli-sci course while I'm back in Ruston. :)

Where do I fit, as long as we're handing out labels? I agree that our planet is suffering tremendous abuse at the hands of our race, and that our ridiculous and unnecessary dependence on fossil fuels is a significant contributor to that abuse (among many other, even more inane examples). But I do not agree that the doomsday scenarios and Chicken-Little dances that are being performed based on a relatively short stream of data "confirming" the notion of global warming are entirely based on good science. Where do I fit on the right-left continuum?

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no, brian. to alta, et al, "right-wing" is label placed on people who argue logic against their irrational rants.

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Originally Posted by arkansasbob

salty, what's up with the faith-based science? don't you take a skeptical view of anything?

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Here I am trying to help you poor Christians realize that Satan has pulled the wool over your eyes and you call it science. LOL.

Satan is pulling the strings here on planet EArth and the sooner you know that the sooner you will see the error in your ways.

So don't go blaming God for Satan's work!!

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Here I am trying to help you poor Christians realize that Satan has pulled the wool over your eyes and you call it science. LOL.

Satan is pulling the strings here on planet EArth and the sooner you know that the sooner you will see the error in your ways.

So don't go blaming God for Satan's work!!

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i don't remember blaming God for anything.

i really don't mind if y'all want to live in irrational fear of a pseudo-science-based scare campaign. the only problem i have is that folks are so scared of an IMAGINARY threat that they are willing to advocate policy that is a REAL threat to the poor.

Okay, I'm convinced. There is global warming. Here is another five-year trend that simply cannot be ignored. Just as we should not be happy for nice weather in January, we cannot be happy about this either. Please, do not let your guard down. Fear is in order here:



Worldwide Shark Attacks Down


POSTED: 11:33 am EST February 13, 2006
UPDATED: 5:39 pm EST February 13, 2006

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- The number of fatal and nonfatal shark attacks worldwide dropped in 2005, continuing a five-year trend, the director of the International Shark Attack File said Monday.
There were 58 total attacks in 2005, compared to 65 in 2004, while the number of fatal attacks dropped from seven to four, said George Burgess, director of the shark attack program, which is housed at the University of Florida's Museum of Natural History.
In contrast, there were 78 attacks in 2000, 11 of them fatal, the record year for attacks.
Surfers were the most frequent victims last year, accounting for 29 attacks, followed by 20 attacks on swimmers and waders and four attacks on divers.

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"It appears that humans are doing a better job of avoiding being bitten, and on the rare occasion where they actually meet up with a shark, and are doing the right thing to save their lives," Burgess said.
Burgess points to a suffer attacked Dec. 24 off the Oregon coast. He saved his life with a well-timed punch to the shark's nose.
Despite a worldwide decline, the number attacks in the United States rose slightly from 30 in 2004 to 38 in 2005, but well below the record of 52 in 2000.
Florida remained to U.S. shark attack capital, where the number of attacks increased from 12 to 18, but below the record of 37, Burgess said.
One of last year's four fatalities occurred in Florida, two were in Australia and one on the island of Vanuatu.
The Florida attack occurred June 25 along the Gulf Coast, where 14-year-old Jamie Daigle was attacked by a bull shark while swimming off Sandestin. It was the state's first fatal shark attack in four years. Two days later, Craig Hutto, 16, lost his right leg to a shark while fishing in waist-deep water off Cape San Blas, also in the Florida Panhandle.
Five of Florida's 18 attacks occurred on the Gulf Coast and the remainder occurred on the state's Atlantic coast. Five attacks occurred in South Carolina, four each in Texas and Hawaii, three in California, two in North Carolina and one each in New Jersey and Oregon.
The number of shark attacks depends on a variety of factors including ocean and weather conditions, abundance of prey and the amount of time people spend in the water, Burgess said.

People aren't really ocean mammals. Anyone want to discuss this idea?

Anything to forget a close loss on the road and not being able to tell people we are leading the WAC tomorrrow!