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Temporary facial paralysis (Bell’s palsy) is a know but rare side effect of the vaccine (4 in 100,000). The fact that you would personally know 4 people with “severe” vaccine side effects and no one that died from COVID is remarkable. It could be what is skewing your perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
We don't know the real number of adverse results from these experimental jabs. And we likely never will know because of the misreporting, underreporting, and coverup that has taken place through the whole process.
What we do know if that there have been multiple times more adverse reactions to these jabs since the end of last year than the number for all other vaccines combined over a large number of years. Through August 6 there have been 545,337 adverse event reports to the VAERS system related to China virus jabs (over 95%) out of 571,830 total reports.
Booster shots may be the way to go for limited groups at abnormally high risk. The stakes in the Chinese Roulette games are much less risky for those groups than they are all for all other groups.
But no way is it time to either approve these experimental jabs for general use or to mandate their use anywhere.
Literally anyone can post something in VAERS whether it is true or not. Including if you are an anti-vaxxer that didn’t get the vaccine but want to spread misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
You realize that, right?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...s-scare-publicQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The CDC set up a site for reporting, then when the reporting is largely negative they poopoo it. Did you know that the CDC also used vaccination numbers from January to try to argue that the current spread is due to unvaxxed people? They didn’t bother to gather information on how many have been fully vaxed in the 7 months between then and now. Hhmmm, seems like someone(a government entity, gasp) wants to skew the numbers.
The site serves a purpose - it helps the FDA and CDC know of potential adverse effects of vaccines. It is a hotline for tips, in essence. It isn’t proof of actual adverse effects the way Tucker and Co. distort it.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The current spread is largely due to the unvaxxed. Unvaxxed are far more likely to contract COVID and spread COVID to others. You are confused if you think otherwise.
Not much being said about those who've had the SHOTS getting and spreading. Of course if those SHOTEES were masking things would be A Okay right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The information I follow talks about it regularly. If you get a breakthrough infection, you can spread it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Now if your immune system is fighting off the replication of Covid, logically, you will have fewer viral particles than those that contract Covid and don’t have immunity. From a transmissibility perspective, it is all about the amount of viral particles you are shedding that others breathe in.
I am fully vaxed and will probably get the booster if/when that appears to make sense, and is available. I also wear a mask most of the time out in public, of course at those places where they require it for sure. Went to Walmart yesterday and had my mask on and saw some folks arguing with the Walmart greeter who was trying to hand out free masks to those without one. I have seen folks angrily take one, put it on until they were in the aisles and then take it off. They will then put it back on when they check out. Walmart, along with others, have very good security cameras and I assure you, as someone who has been in their security booth, someone is watching all the time and know when you remove your mask. Thus far I have heard of no incidents where a security person has confronted the non-maskers walking the aisles. Probably a sensible course of action. No sense inflaming the situation.
Now, that said...do I know, or even think masks especially and even the vaccines work? No, I don't KNOW, and am on the fence on the whole matter, as I see/read pros and cons. But in all matters in life I choose my battles. Especially on masks, I ask myself, is it really that big of a deal, is it such an inconvenience to warrant making it into an issue? Is it worth arguing with the older lady greeter at Walmart who is just doing her job? Ah...no it isn't. That's a personal choice I make for myself. I pass no judgement whatsoever on those who have differing opinions.
Carry on....
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What good is mandating vaccines going to do? Viral loads of Covid positive vaxed vs nonvaxed are virtually the same. A vaxed person is no less contagious than unvaxed. Pulling government funding if employees are unvaxed is only going to cripple the nursing homes, clinics, and hospitals that depend on that money to care for everyone from the wealthiest to the poorest. Biden is therefore a humongous racist.
Because if you are vaxxed you are less likely to get infected in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Update on the party animals...since this pandemic began over a year ago, this bunch of drunks have not worn masks, not gotten vaxxed, and have most definitely not practiced any kind of social distancing. Yet! not a one of them has gotten sick from the China virus. I was told by a neighbor two of them had tested positive (job related test), but they laughed it off and never changed their behavior. The core of the group numbers about 15 and there are around another 25-30 people who occasionally party with them, and have since this all began. I fully expected to hear all kinds of horror stories coming from this bunch...but nothing.
Just wanted to point out that many, many entities, like universities, schools, and others REQUIRE proof of vaccinations for measles, mumps, small pox, cholera...well, maybe not cholera. But public schools will not allow a child into the school without proof of some vaxxes. It's not like mandates re: the China virus is something new.
Well, IF the vaccine was FDA approved they may be able to mandate it (forcing an experimental vaccine on underage citizens is rather Nazi like, don't you think?). Perhaps Biden should work on this (like operation warp speed created the vax in the first place). Of course, given that people of color (AAs and Hispanics) are less likely to have the vaccine than whites and Asians, this could be seen as an attempt to deprive them of an education. I guarantee it will be litigated (where it will suddenly become Trump's shot again).Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
As far as the military is concerned, when I was stationed in GTMO in the late 70s, they came and removed me from my post and took me to the place where they were giving swine flu vaccines, where they gave me two shots at one time (one in each arm). They never asked, and I didn't expect they would. Unless there is some difference related to a non-FDA approved vaccine, I don't think our service members ever had a choice once the decision was made. You kind of sign away your freedom to choose when you take that oath.