Release The Memo!

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Well, because this memo was obviously a pretense to give Trump an excuse to fire Rosenstein and to attempt to discredit the Russia investigation. Duh! Trump’s reaction to the memo was just what they predicted.

As far as the national security issue goes, I suspect that had mostly to do with the omitted facts - the ones that Schiff and the Dems would need to put in their memo to rebut the nonsense suggested in the Nunes memo - for example the type of intel that corroborated the Steele dossier or otherwise supported the FISA application. The Nunes memo, because of its horribly misleading nature nearly necessitates such a rebuttal.

Come on guys, this is not rocket surgery!

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The memo has nothing to do with Mueller and the Russia Probe...like I mentioned earlier, you haven't learned that intellect and smarts are two different things.

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The memo has nothing to do with Mueller and the Russia Probe...like I mentioned earlier, you haven't learned that intellect and smarts are two different things.

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I know it doesn’t, but why does Trump think it does?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The parade of shame for Nunes et al has begun as the light starts to shine on the misleading “omissions”.

“In an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Nunes was asked about reports over the weekend that the FBI application did refer to a political entity connected to the dossier. It is unclear precisely what language the application might have used.

Nunes conceded that a "footnote" to that effect was included in the application, while faulting the bureau for failing to provide more specifics.”

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Are you saying the FISA judge is crooked? I wonder who appointed him? Only a crooked judge would have issued a warrant with material gathered by a crook from Russians paid for by the DNC. This doesn't surprise me, I believe that half the judges in this country are crooks.

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Are you saying the FISA judge is crooked? I wonder who appointed him? Only a crooked judge would have issued a warrant with material gathered by a crook from Russians paid for by the DNC.

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Are you saying that a witness that is compensated cannot be used in legal proceedings?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Well, because this memo was obviously a pretense to give Trump an excuse to fire Rosenstein and to attempt to discredit the Russia investigation. Duh! Trump’s reaction to the memo was just what they predicted.

As far as the national security issue goes, I suspect that had mostly to do with the omitted facts - the ones that Schiff and the Dems would need to put in their memo to rebut the nonsense suggested in the Nunes memo - for example the type of intel that corroborated the Steele dossier or otherwise supported the FISA application. The Nunes memo, because of its horribly misleading nature nearly necessitates such a rebuttal.

Come on guys, this is not rocket surgery!

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This makes no sense whatsoever.. If things (facts) were omitted and not included in the memo, then why worry about what national security information that was NOT disclosed in the memo? It's not like the DOJ, FBI and Democrats in House did not have access or know what the memo was going to say... I'm not opposed to having the "dem" version come out or any supporting evidence related to the FISA application. Get it all out in the open..

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

This makes no sense whatsoever.. If things (facts) were omitted and not included in the memo, then why worry about what national security information that was NOT disclosed in the memo? It's not like the DOJ, FBI and Democrats in House did not have access or know what the memo was going to say...

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Well, the House IC voted to declassify the Democrat memo today so we will see what is in it.

If the Nunes memo wasn’t published, this Dem one wouldn’t be coming out.

Heard on the news tonight there is a second dossier that was sent to the Clintons and then sent to the State Dept.

Clinton associates funneled info to Steele for dossier. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ely-left-out-/

Don, I think I see corruption, but the numbnuts in charge are still looking for non existent collusion.

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Heard on the news tonight there is a second dossier that was sent to the Clintons and then sent to the State Dept.

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Clinton associates funneled info to Steele for dossier. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ely-left-out-/

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Yes and the GOP isn't afraid to release the Dem talking points. And as all data comes forward our nation will be screaming to "lock her up" and to "lock the Deep Staters up".

5 hours ago

Intelligence Committee approves release of Dems’ rebuttal to FISA memo

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...fisa-memo.html

Good interview on Laura Ingraham's show tonight with Carter Page. He said he suspected that the FBI had his phone tapped and wrote a letter to Comey telling him he would be glad to come in and talk. He never heard from Comey. He also said he never attended a meeting that was conducted by the Trump campaign. He was supposed to be an advisor because his name was on a list but was never asked anything. He never had contact with a Russian named Sechin, even though liberal news outlets have reported he did. He was never interrogated or contacted by the FBI. He has not heard anything from the ACLU. The FBI tapped his phone just because his name was in that fake dossier. What an abuse of power by the crooks in the Obama administration!!!!
They thought Hillary would win and nobody would catch them.

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Heard on the news tonight there is a second dossier that was sent to the Clintons and then sent to the State Dept.

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Good interview on Laura Ingraham's show tonight with Carter Page. He said he suspected that the FBI had his phone tapped and wrote a letter to Comey telling him he would be glad to come in and talk. He never heard from Comey. He also said he never attended a meeting that was conducted by the Trump campaign. He was supposed to be an advisor because his name was on a list but was never asked anything. He never had contact with a Russian named Sechin, even though liberal news outlets have reported he did. He was never interrogated or contacted by the FBI. He has not heard anything from the ACLU. The FBI tapped his phone just because his name was in that fake dossier. What an abuse of power by the crooks in the Obama administration!!!!
They thought Hillary would win and nobody would catch them.

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I hate I missed that one! Thanks for passing along.

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I hate I missed that one! Thanks for passing along.

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I forgot one thing that was pretty funny. He said after he suspected that they were listening to his phone calls and reading his email, he sent an email to an organization in Switzerland that investigates crooked elections all over the world, and told them he believed somebody was working to undermine the presidential election.

Carter Page is a goofball. He's an academic type who teaches at New York University. Has an expertise in the energy sector, apparently, and it was for that he was "recruited" by the Trump campaign to be an advisor. Like so many others....a pool of experts...he has NEVER been consulted nor has ever participated in any actual meetings with the Trump campaign/administration. Page was asked, back in 2016, if he would be willing to serve as an advisor if called on. Like many others he considered it to be an honor and said yes, he would gladly serve on a committee, or in whatever capacity the POTUS might ask.

To further his own career, and status, he contacted an international roundtable (on energy) and offered to participate. This roundtable (European-based) has connections in Russia and had conducted one of its sessions in Russia. (in case you don't know...Russia is also a part of Europe, everything west of the Urals, and Russia is the #1 supplier of natural gas to the rest of Europe, and important oil pipelines pass through Russia, from the middle-east, into the rest of Europe). Page was accepted into the roundtable, and because he missed the conference in Russia, traveled on his own to meet the Russians who are also part of that roundtable.

I say he's a "goofball" because of the way he carries himself. Seems like a "likable fellow" but his mind is all over the place. Like he's trying to answer three different questions, at the same time. Obviously, he's just a college professor, and self-proclaimed expert on energy, who is trying (or was) to make a name for himself. He was selected by the evil obummer, klinton, comey, mueller cartel solely because, 1) his name appeared on a LONG list of invitees by the Trump campaign, and 2) egad! he actually traveled to Russia. (I've been to Russia too. Guess I'll be targeted by the evil empire.)

Page has sued the NY Times, the FBI, and several individuals, and maybe some others too...he was about to name the whole list but Laura Ingraham cut him off with another question, and he never completed it. What I see, is the same thing every true, sensible American sees, Carter Page is just an average college professor who has been targeted by the evil empire and was being used as a tool.

And yes, just like the IRS scandal when it targeted just conservative organizations, and got caught! so too did comey's FBI target the Trump campaign. The facts are not in dispute.

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Good interview on Laura Ingraham's show tonight with Carter Page. He said he suspected that the FBI had his phone tapped and wrote a letter to Comey telling him he would be glad to come in and talk. He never heard from Comey. He also said he never attended a meeting that was conducted by the Trump campaign. He was supposed to be an advisor because his name was on a list but was never asked anything. He never had contact with a Russian named Sechin, even though liberal news outlets have reported he did. He was never interrogated or contacted by the FBI. He has not heard anything from the ACLU. The FBI tapped his phone just because his name was in that fake dossier. What an abuse of power by the crooks in the Obama administration!!!!
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Duh! He “suspected it” because the feds alerted him to the fact that he was being worked by Russians and they believed they were trying to use them as instrumentality to exert influence. Despite these warnings, he kept talking to them.

Okay....yep, you caught us, goosey. We were all prepared to vote for Krooked Killary but then Carter Page called and we all switched our votes. The election was influenced....

Live with it.

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Okay....yep, you caught us, goosey. We were all prepared to vote for Krooked Killary but then Carter Page called and we all switched our votes. The election was influenced....

Live with it.

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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timei...ia-2013-letter

“In June 2013, the FBI interviewed Page regarding his contacts with the Russians, Page says. The FBI believed that Russian intelligence services had attempted to recruit Page as an agent with promises of business opportunities in Russia, according to the 2015 court documents.

Page told the FBI at their June 2013 meeting that the officers might better spend their time investigating the Boston Marathon bombing, which had occurred the previous April, according to a letter Page sent to Democrats on Nunes’ committee last May. Page says that thereafter the FBI began a retaliatory campaign against him. According to published reports, the FBI obtained a first FISA warrant to eavesdrop on Page’s electronic communications during 2013. And they have been paying attention to him, on and off, ever since.“

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Well, because this memo was obviously a pretense to give Trump an excuse to fire Rosenstein and to attempt to discredit the Russia investigation. Duh! Trump’s reaction to the memo was just what they predicted.

As far as the national security issue goes, I suspect that had mostly to do with the omitted facts - the ones that Schiff and the Dems would need to put in their memo to rebut the nonsense suggested in the Nunes memo - for example the type of intel that corroborated the Steele dossier or otherwise supported the FISA application. The Nunes memo, because of its horribly misleading nature nearly necessitates such a rebuttal.

Come on guys, this is not rocket surgery!

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I find it humorous that you place so much stock in the Dem memo while lambasting the Repub memo as if the Dem memo will be anything other than spin. It will amount to a schoolyard disagreement where one side says "you did it," and the carefully crafted response of "nuh-uh, you did it," is hurled back.

Release the Dem memo, release the FISA warrant and what intel records that can be released that led to the warrant so the grandstanding can end.

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I find it humorous that you place so much stock in the Dem memo while lambasting the Repub memo as if the Dem memo will be anything other than spin. It will amount to a schoolyard disagreement where one side says "you did it," and the carefully crafted response of "nuh-uh, you did it," is hurled back.

Release the Dem memo, release the FISA warrant and what intel records that can be released that led to the warrant so the grandstanding can end.

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Like I said, if Nunes wouldn’t have released his memo, the Dems would have no reason to release a counter. I fully expect it to be in the form of a rebuttal, but bringing to light facts that Nunes did not want to bring up as they tended to contradict the conclusions he wanted the public draw from his memo.

I seriously doubt we will see the application for FISA warrant as it most likely contains info that reveals sources and methods that would hurt national security to declassify.

Which is precisely why we shouldn’t be going down this Nunes path in the first place. Based on his memo, and taking into account the obvious omissions in the way he characterized his facts, it is hardly clear that the DOJ or FBI did anything wrong.

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I find it humorous that you place so much stock in the Dem memo while lambasting the Repub memo as if the Dem memo will be anything other than spin. It will amount to a schoolyard disagreement where one side says "you did it," and the carefully crafted response of "nuh-uh, you did it," is hurled back.

Release the Dem memo, release the FISA warrant and what intel records that can be released that led to the warrant so the grandstanding can end.

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What you won't hear from MSM or anywhere else is that every republican voted to release the dem memo. Nothing to hide.. Can't say same for democrats as no democrat voted to release Nunes memo. Even tried very hard to stop it using bogus national security concerns..

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Like I said, if Nunes wouldn’t have released his memo, the Dems would have no reason to release a counter. I fully expect it to be in the form of a rebuttal, but bringing to light facts that Nunes did not want to bring up as they tended to contradict the conclusions he wanted the public draw from his memo.

I seriously doubt we will see the application for FISA warrant as it most likely contains info that reveals sources and methods that would hurt national security to declassify.

Which is precisely why we shouldn’t be going down this Nunes path in the first place. Based on his memo, and taking into account the obvious omissions in the way he characterized his facts, it is hardly clear that the DOJ or FBI did anything wrong.

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So based upon your comments surrounding the whole ordeal, you would have no problem if someone within the Trumps admin, made up some bull story to get a FISA warrant to tap phone lines of Schumer or Pelosi or Maxine?

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What you won't hear from MSM or anywhere else is that every republican voted to release the dem memo. Nothing to hide.. Can't say same for democrats as no democrat voted to release Nunes memo. Even tried very hard to stop it using bogus national security concerns..

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Last night CNN reported that every republican in the House IC voted for it.

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So based upon your comments surrounding the whole ordeal, you would have no problem if someone within the Trumps admin, made up some bull story to get a FISA warrant to tap phone lines of Schumer or Pelosi or Maxine?

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No FISA court would grant a surveillance warrant based purely on a fake story.

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No FISA court would grant a surveillance warrant based purely on a fake story.

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http://e.lvme.me/4zahn9d.jpg

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http://e.lvme.me/4zahn9d.jpg

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You should educate yourself on the FISA warrant application process. It is not nearly as simple as fabricating a story and telling it to a judge.

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Last night CNN reported that every republican in the House IC voted for it.

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more republicans have read the democratic memo than democrats

Oh this could get rich!!! BTW Guisslapp, this is Mark Levin whom I referred to and you didn't know the other day.




Obama likely knew 'Hillary Clinton paid for a warrant': Mark Levin

Levin on FISA Controversy: Obama Likely Knew 'Hillary Clinton Paid for a Warrant'


Constitutional law expert and former Reagan administration official Mark Levin said Americans have been subjected to a "massive propaganda campaign" to protect Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama.
Levin, whose program "Life, Liberty and Levin" premieres later this month on Fox News Channel, said Democrats and the media have been fighting to keep the FISA memo away from the public because it effectively shows that "Hillary Clinton paid for a warrant."
Sean Hannity said a new memo shows that a "phony, Russian-paid-for dossier" was used as a basis of obtaining the FISA warrant to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.
Levin said a new memo from Sens. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) shows a connection between those involved in the dossier and the Hillary Clinton campaign, as well as the Obama State Department.

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http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/05/mark-levin-hannity-fisa-controversy-shows-hillary-clinton-paid-warrant-and-obama-knew
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Duh! He “suspected it” because the feds alerted him to the fact that he was being worked by Russians and they believed they were trying to use them as instrumentality to exert influence. Despite these warnings, he kept talking to them.

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He said he never talked to Sechin, the Russian the fake news media accused him of meeting with. That came from the fake dossier. He said he never talked to Comey or anybody else with the FBI even though he sent a letter to Comey and told him he would be glad to meet with him. He probably talked to several Russians since he worked there for Merrill Lynch for several years. Don't you think if he was colluding with Russians to undermine an election, they would have brought him in and interrogated him? That's what the FBI crooks were looking for, anything to help Clinton win the election. "the feds alerted him to the fact that he was being worked by the Russians". Did that come from MSNBC or CNN? Were the Russians using some kind of mind control to make him defect to their side?:laugh:

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more republicans have read the democratic memo than democrats

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A representation of society as I imagine more republicans than democrats can read.

Collusion is not a crime!

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He said he never talked to Sechin, the Russian the fake news media accused him of meeting with. That came from the fake dossier. He said he never talked to Comey or anybody else with the FBI even though he sent a letter to Comey and told him he would be glad to meet with him. He probably talked to several Russians since he worked there for Merrill Lynch for several years. Don't you think if he was colluding with Russians to undermine an election, they would have brought him in and interrogated him? That's what the FBI crooks were looking for, anything to help Clinton win the election. "the feds alerted him to the fact that he was being worked by the Russians". Did that come from MSNBC or CNN? Were the Russians using some kind of mind control to make him defect to their side?:laugh:

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Do you think Carter Page is a straight shooter?

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Collusion is not a crime!

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True, but conspiracy to commit a (computer) crime or obstruction of justice would be.

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Do you think Carter Page is a straight shooter?

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As long as he says what Don already wanted to believe!

I don't know why Trump would want to shut the investigation down if he's actually innocent. I can't think of anything better for him or his brand than an investigation that spans his entire first term, but comes up absolutely empty. It would validate him and his vision of swamp draining/deep state (whatever you do to the deep state). Why kill it?

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Do you think Carter Page is a straight shooter?

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He certainly doesn't appear to be a democrat.

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I don't know why Trump would want to shut the investigation down if he's actually innocent. I can't think of anything better for him or his brand than an investigation that spans his entire first term, but comes up absolutely empty. It would validate him and his vision of swamp draining/deep state (whatever you do to the deep state). Why kill it?

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Because they are looking to hang ANYTHING on him. It won't have to be a Russia connection. 75% of our population could not withstand a 12 month investigation that goes beyond the original scope of the investigation.

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Because they are looking to hang ANYTHING on him. It won't have to be a Russia connection. 75% of our population could not withstand a 12 month investigation that goes beyond the original scope of the investigation.

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I would expect someone who ascended to the highest office in the world to be in the top 25%. What could possibly be out there that poses a real threat to him? Grab 'em by the pussy and Richard Spencer couldn't bring him down! Let the investigation roll on and he sails to reelection!

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He certainly doesn't appear to be a democrat.

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A little blast from the past in case you weren’t really paying attention around the time he was to testify before the House IC last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...y-trump-russia

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A little blast from the past in case you weren’t really paying attention around the time he was to testify before the House IC last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...y-trump-russia

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I've never heard of Vox,but, it's not against the law for anybody to talk to Russians. If the FBI had anything on him, he would have been brought in and interrogated, and neither he or the FBI claim that happened.

Vox is kinda like infowars or breibart for democrats..

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Vox is kinda like infowars or breibart for democrats..

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They lean left but are fact based unlike infowars.

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I've never heard of Vox,but, it's not against the law for anybody to talk to Russians. If the FBI had anything on him, he would have been brought in and interrogated, and neither he or the FBI claim that happened.

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https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...nov_2_2017.pdf

Well, here is the unclassified parts of the transcript. You can see the question and answer part of the testimony beginning around page 45 of the pdf. Does this guy talk like a straight shooter?

I'd say a straight shooter is somebody that tells the same story all the time and I don't see anything in that transcript that contradicts what he said last night. Do you seriously think he is a Russian spy? Your hatred of Trump is making you believe things that just aren't true.

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I'd say a straight shooter is somebody that tells the same story all the time and I don't see anything in that transcript that contradicts what he said last night. Do you seriously think he is a Russian spy? Your hatred of Trump is making you believe things that just aren't true.

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I think Carter Page is a busy body attention whore that can be exploited.

I have watched him do a few interviews. If you can’t see how Page answers around the question, I really question your ability to read people at all. He is probably the most opposite of a straight shooter I have ever seen.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-full-lead.cnn

This is one of the first interviews I saw. Just watch how he answers each question. It is painful.

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I think Carter Page is a busy body attention whore that can be exploited.

I have watched him do a few interviews. If you can’t see how Page answers around the question, I really question your ability to read people at all. He is probably the most opposite of a straight shooter I have ever seen.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-full-lead.cnn

This is one of the first interviews I saw. Just watch how he answers each question. It is painful.

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They all answer around the question. That’s the problem, the corruption is probably so deep on both sides that everyone knows the whole truth sends them all home.

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They all answer around the question. That’s the problem, the corruption is probably so deep on both sides that everyone knows the whole truth sends them all home.

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I am guessing you didn’t watch the interview. He takes evasion to a whole new level, often contradicting and hedging his answers.

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I am guessing you didn’t watch the interview. He takes evasion to a whole new level, often contradicting and hedging his answers.

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I’m not arguing with you, just stating that question dodging is an art that most in DC have perfected.

Here it comes!!!

OBAMA NOW LINKED TO HILLARY'S EMAILS

Strzok: 'Wants to know everything' about investigation

http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/12/Pet...er-300x100.jpg

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/#jUxxRSWi7LrhDOpV.99



…OBAMA CAUGHT IN LIE: SAID NO CONTACT WITH FBI ABOUT INVESTIGATION…

by JOHN NOLTE7877

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I think Carter Page is a busy body attention whore that can be exploited.

I have watched him do a few interviews. If you can’t see how Page answers around the question, I really question your ability to read people at all. He is probably the most opposite of a straight shooter I have ever seen.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-full-lead.cnn

This is one of the first interviews I saw. Just watch how he answers each question. It is painful.

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Your hatred of Trump has lead you to corrupt your own mind. Nobody besides you believes that Cartter Page is a Russian spy. "It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself." Thomas Payne-The Age of Reason-1793

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Your hatred of Trump has lead you to corrupt your own mind. Nobody besides you believes that Cartter Page is a Russian spy. "It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself." Thomas Payne-The Age of Reason-1793

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Maybe reading comprehension is not your strong suit, but I didn’t say I thought he was a spy. But I do think he could be unwittingly used as an instrumentality of Russia (or anyone else for that matter, including Trump). So did the IC, by the way, and that is why they notified him several years ago that Russians may be trying to use him.

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Here it comes!!!

OBAMA NOW LINKED TO HILLARY'S EMAILS

Strzok: 'Wants to know everything' about investigation

http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/12/Pet...er-300x100.jpg

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/#jUxxRSWi7LrhDOpV.99



…OBAMA CAUGHT IN LIE: SAID NO CONTACT WITH FBI ABOUT INVESTIGATION…

by JOHN NOLTE7877

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New FBI texts show Obama wanted updates on Clinton investigation...

Flashback: President 'Guarantees' He's Staying out of Hillary Probe...

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Maybe reading comprehension is not your strong suit, but I didn’t say I thought he was a spy. But I do think he could be unwittingly used as an instrumentality of Russia (or anyone else for that matter, including Trump). So did the IC, by the way, and that is why they notified him several years ago that Russians may be trying to use him.

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You can't be serious. Surely you jest!!!! Why don't you go hook up with Schiff and find those naked pictures of Trump with the hooker. :laugh:

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You can't be serious. Surely you jest!!!! Why don't you go hook up with Schiff and find those naked pictures of Trump with the hooker. :laugh:

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Jest about what?

Page is not smart enough to be a spy, but he likes being in the center of stuff (and brag about it) and can be used. He is loony. Just my opinion.

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You can't be serious. Surely you jest!!!! Why don't you go hook up with Schiff and find those naked pictures of Trump with the hooker. :laugh:

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Jest about what?

Page is not smart enough to be a spy, but he likes being in the center of stuff (and brag about it) and can be used. He is loony. Just my opinion.

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Exactly Don!! Shifty Schiff is a Bozo!!

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...95#post1685695

Was at an event last night and at my table were all libtards (friends, who I love to death, but they are lost politically). During a lull in the activities someone made an off-the-cuff political joke and that set off an anti-Trump rant. But! one expressed more fear of Pence as POTUS than Trump. Someone asked, what would make Pence worst than Trump? Apparently Pence holds "deeply conservative ideals", ones he actually believes in, and that makes him dangerous.....apparently.

So, after a moment of silence, one of the libtards offers: well, we'll just have to drum up dirt on Pence and get rid of him too.

You will note how, right now, no one is hollering about Pence. That will change over night if he becomes POTUS.

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Was at an event last night and at my table were all libtards (friends, who I love to death, but they are lost politically). During a lull in the activities someone made an off-the-cuff political joke and that set off an anti-Trump rant. But! one expressed more fear of Pence as POTUS than Trump. Someone asked, what would make Pence worst than Trump? Apparently Pence holds "deeply conservative ideals", ones he actually believes in, and that makes him dangerous.....apparently.

So, after a moment of silence, one of the libtards offers: well, we'll just have to drum up dirt on Pence and get rid of him too.

You will note how, right now, no one is hollering about Pence. That will change over night if he becomes POTUS.

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I am more politically aligned with Trump than Pence. Pence has very regressive social ideals and I hate the idea of him being President. The damage that Trump is doing and can do to this country is much greater though. Don’t act like it will be a “new” thing if people start complaining about Pence.

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I am more politically aligned with Trump than Pence. Pence has very regressive social ideals and I hate the idea of him being President. The damage that Trump is doing and can do to this country is much greater though. Don’t act like it will be a “new” thing if people start complaining about Pence.

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Wow, with how unhinged you become with anything Trump related, I'd be really concerned for your mental health if Pence was POTUS.

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Wow, with how unhinged you become with anything Trump related, I'd be really concerned for your mental health if Pence was POTUS.

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It would be about the same as when Obama was president.

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I am more politically aligned with Trump than Pence. Pence has very regressive social ideals and I hate the idea of him being President. The damage that Trump is doing and can do to this country is much greater though. Don’t act like it will be a “new” thing if people start complaining about Pence.

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A "new" thing? Heck no! very predictable, and that's exactly what I said would happen.

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Jest about what?

Page is not smart enough to be a spy, but he likes being in the center of stuff (and brag about it) and can be used. He is loony. Just my opinion.

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I've been trying to relate something in history to your type of thinking. If you had lived in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1692 you would have been the leader of the mob that hanged 16 people because they thought they were witches.

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I've been trying to relate something in history to your type of thinking. If you had lived in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1692 you would have been the leader of the mob that hanged 16 people because they thought they were witches.

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I didn’t convict Page of anything except being an idiot.

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Was at an event last night and at my table were all libtards (friends, who I love to death, but they are lost politically). During a lull in the activities someone made an off-the-cuff political joke and that set off an anti-Trump rant. But! one expressed more fear of Pence as POTUS than Trump. Someone asked, what would make Pence worst than Trump? Apparently Pence holds "deeply conservative ideals", ones he actually believes in, and that makes him dangerous.....apparently.

So, after a moment of silence, one of the libtards offers: well, we'll just have to drum up dirt on Pence and get rid of him too.

You will note how, right now, no one is hollering about Pence. That will change over night if he becomes POTUS.

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If they are that scared of him, let’s get him to make a run at it in 3 or 7 years.

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I am more politically aligned with Trump than Pence. Pence has very regressive social ideals and I hate the idea of him being President. The damage that Trump is doing and can do to this country is much greater though. Don’t act like it will be a “new” thing if people start complaining about Pence.

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You just gave Pence a great endorsement.

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I am more politically aligned with Trump than Pence. Pence has very regressive social ideals and I hate the idea of him being President. The damage that Trump is doing and can do to this country is much greater though. Don’t act like it will be a “new” thing if people start complaining about Pence.

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Remember guys that Guislapp dislikes the Christian "religion", the overall ideology and those that strongly and outwardly show this faith. This is why he is stating the above IMHO.

Paste for liberals that refuse to read real news. ;) Gee and even ultra Rino Sen. Lindsey Graham is now seeing the light.


Obama State Dept. official admits exchange of reports with author of Trump dossier


Democratic Sen. Warner texted with Russian oligarch lobbyist in effort to contact dossier author Steele
'Game of Corruption': Hannity says forthcoming evidence 'will rock foundations' of DC
Sen. Graham: FBI and DOJ's conduct with 'garbage' Trump dossier is 'Chilling'
Judge Pirro: 'We're on the brink of indictments' over FBI's misconduct


http://a57.foxnews.com/hp.foxnews.co....jpg?tl=1&ve=1TANGLED UP WITH STEELE

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Yes and the GOP isn't afraid to release the Dem talking points. And as all data comes forward our nation will be screaming to "lock her up" and to "lock the Deep Staters up".

5 hours ago

Intelligence Committee approves release of Dems’ rebuttal to FISA memo

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...fisa-memo.html

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Lol!

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As far as the national security issue goes, I suspect that had mostly to do with the omitted facts - the ones that Schiff and the Dems would need to put in their memo to rebut the nonsense suggested in the Nunes memo - for example the type of intel that corroborated the Steele dossier or otherwise supported the FISA application. The Nunes memo, because of its horribly misleading nature nearly necessitates such a rebuttal.

Come on guys, this is not rocket surgery!

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This makes no sense whatsoever.. If things (facts) were omitted and not included in the memo, then why worry about what national security information that was NOT disclosed in the memo? It's not like the DOJ, FBI and Democrats in House did not have access or know what the memo was going to say... I'm not opposed to having the "dem" version come out or any supporting evidence related to the FISA application. Get it all out in the open..

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Make sense now?

Schiff intentionally put classified material in that memo so Trump would not let it be released. That was his purpose of writing it. He knew it would stir up the liberal media and the loony democrats if Trump didn't release it with the classified info in it.

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Schiff intentionally put classified material in that memo so Trump would not let it be released. That was his purpose of writing it. He knew it would stir up the liberal media and the loony democrats if Trump didn't release it with the classified info in it.

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Yep, and right on cue, people like Guissapp fall for it hook, line, and sinker. The Democrats are so predictable it's pathetic.

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Schiff intentionally put classified material in that memo so Trump would not let it be released. That was his purpose of writing it. He knew it would stir up the liberal media and the loony democrats if Trump didn't release it with the classified info in it.

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Wouldn’t it have been awesome if Trump had told FBI to redact sensitive info then release a blank document.

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Schiff intentionally put classified material in that memo so Trump would not let it be released. That was his purpose of writing it. He knew it would stir up the liberal media and the loony democrats if Trump didn't release it with the classified info in it.

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Yep, and right on cue, people like Guissapp fall for it hook, line, and sinker. The Democrats are so predictable it's pathetic.

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Exactly.

TRUMP BLOCKS DEMOCRAT MEMO AS 'POLITICAL'

'Told them to re-do and send back in proper form!'



Read more at http://www.wnd.com/#TpUkQxVls5PLw5bv.99

The best idea I heard was for Trump to announce that he was sending the socialist memo to the FBI/DOJ for them to redact.

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Schiff intentionally put classified material in that memo so Trump would not let it be released. That was his purpose of writing it. He knew it would stir up the liberal media and the loony democrats if Trump didn't release it with the classified info in it.

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Oh yeah? Why did the Republicans on the House IC committee vote to let it through then?

I already told you guys what info they would need to put in the memo to rebut the innuendo Nunes put out in his. Obviously they would need to explain the actual intel that gave the probable cause for the warrant. Again, this isn’t rocket surgery. All that was required was thinking one step further down the chain.

As I even told you at the time (and some of you mocked me) that was why the FBI and the Dems opposed release of the Nunes memo. It would necessitate disclosing actual intel to rebut the misrepresentations Nunes was making.

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Yep, and right on cue, people like Guissapp fall for it hook, line, and sinker. The Democrats are so predictable it's pathetic.

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Right on cue? They must be taking their cues from me because I said it first!

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Oh yeah? Why did the Republicans on the House IC committee vote to let it through then?

I already told you guys what info they would need to put in the memo to rebut the innuendo Nunes put out in his. Obviously they would need to explain the actual intel that gave the probable cause for the warrant. Again, this isn’t rocket surgery. All that was required was thinking one step further down the chain.

As I even told you at the time (and some of you mocked me) that was why the FBI and the Dems opposed release of the Nunes memo. It would necessitate disclosing actual intel to rebut the misrepresentations Nunes was making.

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According to Republicans who read the socialist memo, there is nothing in it that goes against what is in the Republican memo. The socialists did leave out many pieces of info the Republicans included. The socialist also included many names they knew the FBI and DOJ would not allow to go public. Are you ignoring those reports or is it just that your socialists sources are ignoring them?

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Oh yeah? Why did the Republicans on the House IC committee vote to let it through then?

I already told you guys what info they would need to put in the memo to rebut the innuendo Nunes put out in his. Obviously they would need to explain the actual intel that gave the probable cause for the warrant. Again, this isn’t rocket surgery. All that was required was thinking one step further down the chain.

As I even told you at the time (and some of you mocked me) that was why the FBI and the Dems opposed release of the Nunes memo. It would necessitate disclosing actual intel to rebut the misrepresentations Nunes was making.

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So...are there doctors who operate on rockets?

Must be one of those hidden gems in obummercare.

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The best idea I heard was for Trump to announce that he was sending the socialist memo to the FBI/DOJ for them to redact.

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The other idea I like is telling the Dems that he trust them to release a document that informs the public but does not put national security in jeopardy. Just tell them, “you are smart, you don’t even need to run it through me.” Just work with FBI and DOJ, then release whatever you collectively agree on.”

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According to Republicans who read the socialist memo, there is nothing in it that goes against what is in the Republican memo. The socialists did leave out many pieces of info the Republicans included. The socialist also included many names they knew the FBI and DOJ would not allow to go public. Are you ignoring those reports or is it just that your socialists sources are ignoring them?

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I was tied up most of the day yesterday so I haven’t seen what they are saying.

I couldn’t find anything in 1 minute via google.

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So...are there doctors who operate on rockets?

Must be one of those hidden gems in obummercare.

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I guess you are unfamiliar with that popular malaphor.

But PD, since I know you love irony how about this interesting take:

“After ignoring urging of FBI & DOJ not to release misleading [Republican] memo because it omits material facts, @POTUS now expresses concerns over sharing precisely those facts with public and seeks to send it back to the same Majority that produced the flawed ... memo to begin with."

Trump is so Orwellian it is giving me flashbacks to reading Animal Farm in middle school.

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But PD, since I know you love irony how about this interesting take:

“After ignoring urging of FBI & DOJ not to release misleading [Republican] memo because it omits material facts, @POTUS now expresses concerns over sharing precisely those facts with public and seeks to send it back to the same Majority that produced the flawed ... memo to begin with."

Trump is so Orwellian it is giving me flashbacks to reading Animal Farm in middle school.

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My tribal instincts won't allow me to believe that.

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I guess you are unfamiliar with that popular malaphor.

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Had to look that up. An invention of Lawrence Harrison of the Washington Post (circa 1976). Little wonder I was unfamiliar with it, I never read that libtard rag.

Okay fine... but it's stupid because routine metaphors ("this ain't rocket science") convey the message well enough.

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Had to look that up. An invention of Lawrence Harrison of the Washington Post (circa 1976). Little wonder I was unfamiliar with it, I never read that libtard rag.

Okay fine... but it's stupid because routine metaphors ("this ain't rocket science") convey the message well enough.

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It has been used an awful lot since then because the humor of the malaphor also conveys the tone of how it is being used - to express the perceived preposterousness of the concept you are commenting on.

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The best idea I heard was for Trump to announce that he was sending the socialist memo to the FBI/DOJ for them to redact.

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The other idea I like is telling the Dems that he trust them to release a document that informs the public but does not put national security in jeopardy. Just tell them, “you are smart, you don’t even need to run it through me.” Just work with FBI and DOJ, then release whatever you collectively agree on.”

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I was hoping for some version of this. Basically take himself out of it and let the DOJ/FBI be the gatekeeper. Not sure you can trust the FBI/DOJ to do their job though.

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I was hoping for some version of this. Basically take himself out of it and let the DOJ/FBI be the gatekeeper. Not sure you can trust the FBI/DOJ to do their job though.

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Why now? If he did that before the Nunes memo, it wouldn’t have come out.

:laugh: Even the Dems and the American "Pravda" media knows the Democrat memo was a total political set-up full of BS and lies. They're barely or not at all talking about Trump nixing it in the news or on the floor of Congress. How embarrassing for them. :laugh:

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I was hoping for some version of this. Basically take himself out of it and let the DOJ/FBI be the gatekeeper. Not sure you can trust the FBI/DOJ to do their job though.

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Either way Trump wins. If they release a severely redacted document they doesn’t say anything, it’s not on him. If they are stupid enough to release a bunch of top secret intel, that’s on them too.

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Either way Trump wins. If they release a severely redacted document they doesn’t say anything, it’s not on him. If they are stupid enough to release a bunch of top secret intel, that’s on them too.

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Whatever comes out is a consequence of the Nunes memo. The Dems and FBI tried to stop Nunes/Trump from introducing a misleading document that omitted material facts that was intended to provide political cover for Trump. The Schiff memo was available at the time the decision was made to release the Nunes memo so there was no lack of transparency as to what facts would be needed to be introduced to rebut the inferences that the Nunes memo was fabricated to produce.

Trump defenders were all about “transparency” when it benefitted Trump, but have gone quiet on transparency now. Big surprise. Your hypocrisy has been noted.

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Whatever comes out is a consequence of the Nunes memo. The Dems and FBI tried to stop Nunes/Trump from introducing a misleading document that omitted material facts that was intended to provide political cover for Trump. The Schiff memo was available at the time the decision was made to release the Nunes memo so there was no lack of transparency as to what facts would be needed to be introduced to rebut the inferences that the Nunes memo was fabricated to produce.

Trump defenders were all about “transparency” when it benefitted Trump, but have gone quiet on transparency now. Big surprise. Your hypocrisy has been noted.

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socialist lies/narrative

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socialist lies/narrative

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More like “a summary of the posts on this thread.”

The socialist memo was not available to release. That's a lie. That memo was altered after the fact. Typical socialist BS

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The socialist memo was not available to release. That's a lie. That memo was altered after the fact. Typical socialist BS

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What do you mean by “available to release”? Are you saying that at the time the Nunes memo was cleared for release by the House IC, the FBI and Republicans of the House IC did not know the facts that were in the Schiff memo?

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The socialist memo was not available to release. That's a lie. That memo was altered after the fact. Typical socialist BS

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What do you mean by “available to release”? Are you saying that at the time the Nunes memo was cleared for release by the House IC, the FBI and Republicans of the House IC did not know the facts that were in the Schiff memo?

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Just keep this in mind, remember it line by line and repeat it daily Guisslapp, "Socialist Democrats are pathologic liars such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, IGore, LBJ, Pelosi, Maxine Watters, Louis Farrakhan, "Rev." Sharpton, "Rev." Jessie Jackson, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, now Comey and the biggest being Obama. Next in line, and just as bad of pathologic liars, is their personal lame stream media that has it's collective nose so far up their butts you could swear it's the devil himself laying a turd bomb".

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Just keep this in mind, remember it line by line and repeat it daily Guisslapp, "Socialist Democrats are pathologic liars such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, IGore, LBJ, Pelosi, Maxine Watters, Louis Farrakhan, "Rev." Sharpton, "Rev." Jessie Jackson, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, now Comey and the biggest being Obama. Next in line, and just as bad of pathologic liars, is their personal lame stream media that has it's collective nose so far up their butts you could swear it's the devil himself laying a turd bomb".

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You just did it again - that avoiding the argument by talking about other people in the past that did things you didn’t like.

Why was transparency more important than the objections of FBI/DOJ when it was the Nunes memo and then all of a sudden it is the reverse for the Schiff memo?

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The socialist memo was not available to release. That's a lie. That memo was altered after the fact. Typical socialist BS

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You just did it again - that avoiding the argument by talking about other people in the past that did things you didn’t like.

Why was transparency more important than the objections of FBI/DOJ when it was the Nunes memo and then all of a sudden it is the reverse for the Schiff memo?

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Answers to statements and questions above:

1) To point out the hypocrisy of the left and the media.

2) You already know the answer which has been pointed out to you own BB&B.

Heard more than once from multiple sources that there are no factual inaccuracies in the Nunes Doc. It didn’t need redaction because there were no sources and methods disclosed. If you want national secrets, sources and methods exposed then I guess you support releasing the Dem memo as is.

Also, the disclosure of the improper securing of a warrant is huge. Not telling the court who was funding the fake dossier was by far more misleading than anything Nunes could have put in his memo. A little off topic, but you brought up misleading information as a concern.

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Answers to statements and questions above:

1) To point out the hypocrisy of the left and the media.

2) You already know the answer which has been pointed out to you own BB&B.

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Yeah, I didn’t really expect you to respond with any substance.

So instead I will just point out something that Trump and his sheeple seem to have not realized yet, presumably because neither are capable of thinking even one further step down the cause and effect chain...

Trump has boxed himself in. If the Dems conform the memo to get FBI objection, Trump will have to release it. And not only will it get released but Schiff gets to then declare that the Dems are the only one that cared about national security and as a bonus they get to say they had a lot more info to rebut the Nunes memo but were forced to edit it out to protect national security.

I thought the purpose of redaction was sources and methods and not substance?