Immigration

The latest news for the libs.

BORDER BREAKDOWN:
Feds to Bring in Riot Squad Against Illegal Immigration Protesters...
Clash in California...
'Viva La Raza'...
BOIL...
'Homeland Security' Not Sure On Deportations...
'We have to do right by the children'...
Border Protection Chief: 'These Are Not Dangerous Individuals'...
PERRY: Obama either 'inept' or doesn't care...
Some on right push to impeach...
WIRE: Backlash stirs against foreign worker visas...
Activist distributes flashlights to border crossers...
City Leaders Shut Out Of Planning To Shelter Illegals...
Agent Contracts Scabies...
Militia group heading to Texas border...
Mothers crossing at alarming rate...
Many schools in Charlotte NC now majority immigrant...



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DEPORTATIONS OF 'DREAMERS' DROPS

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

The latest news for the libs.

BORDER BREAKDOWN:
Feds to Bring in Riot Squad Against Illegal Immigration Protesters...
Clash in California...
'Viva La Raza'...
BOIL...
'Homeland Security' Not Sure On Deportations...
'We have to do right by the children'...
Border Protection Chief: 'These Are Not Dangerous Individuals'...
PERRY: Obama either 'inept' or doesn't care...
Some on right push to impeach...
WIRE: Backlash stirs against foreign worker visas...
Activist distributes flashlights to border crossers...
City Leaders Shut Out Of Planning To Shelter Illegals...
Agent Contracts Scabies...
Militia group heading to Texas border...
Mothers crossing at alarming rate...
Many schools in Charlotte NC now majority immigrant...



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...PCLDL7QsUEFiPT
DEPORTATIONS OF 'DREAMERS' DROPS

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Yeah, all this and the Republicans have NO plan and won't bring anything to the table for a vote. :icon_roll:

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Originally Posted by Woof!

Yeah, all this and the Republicans have NO plan and won't bring anything to the table for a vote. :icon_roll:

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Why does there need to be a plan?

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Originally Posted by Woof!

Yeah, all this and the Republicans have NO plan and won't bring anything to the table for a vote. :icon_roll:

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Why not just enforce the laws that are already on the books ????

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Why does there need to be a plan?

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That is a very good question.

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Originally Posted by Woof!

Yeah, all this and the Republicans have NO plan and won't bring anything to the table for a vote. :icon_roll:

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Why does there need to be a plan?

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

That is a very good question.

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Originally Posted by barkly

Why not just enforce the laws that are already on the books ????

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Exactly!! Just enforce the laws that are already on the books. Oh wait...Obama, Hillary and Kerry hate our existing laws and rules. They want to "Nanny Nation" in all of the illegals.

• DISEASE FEARS: Border Patrol union sounds warning on immigrant illnesses
  
  BORDER PATROL UNION appeals for help in containing outbreak of mite-borne scabies and other medical issues at illegal immigrant detention centers — as some health-care workers claim treating cases of tuberculosis.
• TODD STARNES: Immigration crisis — tuberculosis spreading at camps
• Obama 'don't come' warning belied by reality that illegal kids rarely deported
• Local communities feel pressure as border influx comes to their towns
• VIDEO: Obama in Texas for fundraiser, not to tour border? http://www.foxnews.com/i/redes/icon-video.gif

Please read and tell me what you think. It starts sounding of conspiracy theory but builds with claimed evidence. Are we under a planned tactical overthrow?

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/07/e...wer-exclusive/

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Please read and tell me what you think. It starts sounding of conspiracy theory but builds with claimed evidence. Are we under a planned tactical overthrow?

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/07/e...wer-exclusive/

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I don't know the reason why they are doing this, but the facts suggest that they are doing this for some reason.

I have heard Democrats slobber all over themselves talking about how old, white men are the only group who will vote for Republicans and the changing landscape of more and more minorities means Democrats will rule from here on out. I think that's the MAIN reason they want these people here. Do they understand that they are destroying the country? They probably don't really care.... as long as they get to rule it.

Federal law prohibits the border patrol from turning back children from any country outside of Mexico. They must, by law, be turned over to HHS.
In 2013 The Obama administration began working with Mexican consulates to advertise free social welfare services for any illegal immigrant child in the United States.
In January of 2014 the Obama administration, through the HHS, put out a call for massive nationwide transportation infrastructure to transport children and other illegal immigrants from the border to the interior states. This happened BEFORE the surge actually occurred.
In May and June of 2014 the border patrol and ICE become overwhelmed with the surge from South America, rendering their ability to protect the border completely null and void.

A shoe worn by one of the immigrants:

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-cont...ma-shoes-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by T1

I don't know the reason why they are doing this, but the facts suggest that they are doing this for some reason.

I have heard Democrats slobber all over themselves talking about how old, white men are the only group who will vote for Republicans and the changing landscape of more and more minorities means Democrats will rule from here on out. I think that's the MAIN reason they want these people here. Do they understand that they are destroying the country? They probably don't really care.... as long as they get to rule it.

Federal law signed by George W. Bush prohibits the border patrol from turning back children from any country outside of Mexico. They must, by law, be turned over to HHS.
In 2013 The Obama administration began working with Mexican consulates to advertise free social welfare services for any illegal immigrant child in the United States.
In January of 2014 the Obama administration, through the HHS, put out a call for massive nationwide transportation infrastructure to transport children and other illegal immigrants from the border to the interior states. This happened BEFORE the surge actually occurred.
In May and June of 2014 the border patrol and ICE become overwhelmed with the surge from South America, rendering their ability to protect the border completely null and void.

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You forgot a piece of the puzzle.

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Originally Posted by maverick

You forgot a piece of the puzzle.

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No doubt! Democrats are Republicans on steroids. Republicans make a bad policy and Democrats take full advantage of it, and then blame it on the Republicans. (the reason we have a Tea Party within the Republican party).

I'm not sure what the reason for the Tea Party is other than to provide a place for crazy to reside. :D

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I'm not sure what the reason for the Tea Party is other than to provide a place for crazy to reside. :D

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It started because of the bailouts and spending under Bush and then became a bunch of crazy racists when Obama was elected. :laugh:

I've stated this in the past, and Tyler has seen it. Democrats would rather be in total control of a third world country rather than compete with the Republicans for running the greatest nation in the world.
I now have to add to that… They appear to be turning the U.S. into a third world country, so that the first part of my statement will be come a reality. :bomb:

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I'm not sure what the reason for the Tea Party is other than to provide a place for crazy to reside. :D

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They are Constitutionalist plain and simple and 100% correct in their positions I might add.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

They are Constitutionalist plain and simple and 100% correct in their positions I might add.

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I do agree with their desire to take down the GOP establishment.

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I do agree with their desire to take down the GOP establishment.

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Do you have any rational and well reasoned arguments for liberalism? Who is going to pay for everything when business and people are so encumbered by regulation and an ideology that doesn't work?

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I do agree with their desire to take down the GOP establishment.

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

Do you have any rational and well reasoned arguments for liberalism? Who is going to pay for everything when business and people are so encumbered by regulation and an ideology that doesn't work?

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...and you think the Tea Party = liberalism? :shocked2: This is the first time I've heard that.

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Originally Posted by Woof!

...and you think the Tea Party = liberalism? :shocked2: This is the first time I've heard that.

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I didn't say that. Again, do you have any rational and well reasoned arguments for liberalism, which is not liberating at all, BTW. The tenets of the Tea Party are much more liberating than so called liberalism.

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

I didn't say that.

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I was wondering because your response to my post didn't make any sense.

Obama/Holder/Kerry have lost whatever part of their mind they still attempt to use. Biden never had a brain so he doesn't count.

EXCLUSIVE: TSA ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO FLY WITHOUT VERIFIABLE ID, SAYS BORDER PATROL UNION


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/11/Exclusive-TSA-Allowing-Illegals-to-Fly-Without-Verifiable-ID-Says-Border-Patrol-Union

Illegals to get lawyers, schools and healthcare...
Feds spend $1,000 per bed...
Populist immigration backlash?
Armed militia sets up Texas command center to 'fight for national sovereignty'...
'Minuteman' recruiting thousands to secure border...
Border Agent: Why Hire Smuggler When Feds Do For Free?
TRUMP: 'Influx killing country'...
MICHELLE O: 'We Have To Keep Fighting As Hard As We Can'...
PERRY: President Didn't Know Border Patrol Was Stationed 40 Miles From Border...
CLAIM: Deportation agency will be broke in months...
White House stands by claim that border stronger than ever...
Adult Illegals Posing as Children to Enroll in High School...
GANGS USING PROCESSING CENTER AS RECRUITMENT HUB...
Sheriff Joe: My Tents Are HILTON Hotels Compared to What's Going On at Camps...
Border Agent Catches Bacterial Pneumonia...

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I was wondering because your response to my post didn't make any sense.

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Sure it made sense. So called liberalism doesn't make sense.

Answer the question. Do you have any rational or well reasoned argument that so called liberalism makes sense? So far you have refused to answer a simple question defending your ideology. Why do you fail to defend your apparently strongly held beliefs? I am left to assume you haven't given much thought to it but are a so called liberal because its trendy. Like many so called liberals, it is obvious you really don't know about or given much thought to what you espouse.

I don't understand what liberalism has to do with the Tea Party taking down the Republican establish and why you interjected liberalism into a discussion about the Republican establishment and the Tea Party. :icon_roll: Re-read the post below:
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I never said anything about the Tea Party. I simply asked you why you believe so called liberalism is a viable, workable ideology. Why won't you answer the question?

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

I never said anything about the Tea Party.

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Uh, you quoted my post concerning the Tea party and their desire to take down the GOP establishment so you interjected yourself into the topic about the tea party. Re-read your own post #217 and get back with me on how liberalism relates to either the Tea Party or the GOP establishment.

Did you ever think that my response by quoting your last post was merely a way to direct my post to you? Why don't you answer the question instead of trying to start an argument? You are welcome to post here, but as you have no apparent relationship to La Tech don't you think you should be cordial to those of us that actually have a vested interest?

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Originally Posted by Woof!

Yeah, all this and the Republicans have NO plan and won't bring anything to the table for a vote. :icon_roll:

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I'm reading this thread to try and figure out what you don't understand about the post I directed to you. But why does there need to be a plan for dealing with illegal immigration. It's called illegal for a reason. Shouldn't the plan be pretty simple? Don't let illegal immigrants in our country. That is a good plan, don't you think? What is your solution?

And our do nothing pro American, "vote present" President and AG allow it to continue. "Coming to a neighborhood near you"

SMALL LIFELESS, DEAD CHILDREN Found “Washed Up Along Riverbank” of Rio Grande

Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, July 14, 2014, 9:12 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...of-rio-grande/


27,000 illegals captured in non-border county...

Migrants cross through designated environmental areas to avoid Border Patrol...

Man Deported To Mexico 4 Times Arrested In TX For Molesting 9-Year-Old Girl...

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I didn't say that. Again, do you have any rational and well reasoned arguments for liberalism, which is not liberating at all, BTW. The tenets of the Tea Party are much more liberating than so called liberalism.

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Amen, and the members of the Tea Party expect to pay their own way in everything- they just want everyone else to do the same. Neither of these can be said for any liberal. They want you to pay their way and want to tell you how to spend the money you worked for.

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Amen, and the members of the Tea Party expect to pay their own way in everything- they just want everyone else to do the same. Neither of these can be said for any liberal. They want you to pay their way and want to tell you how to spend the money you worked for.

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The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of whining freeloaders that don't pay their own way. If they are a real party, I challenge them to quit "piggybacking" off of the GOP and fund their own candidates under the Tea Party name.

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Originally Posted by Woof!

The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of whining freeloaders. If they are a real party I challenge them to quit "piggybacking" off of the GOP and fund their own candidates under the Tea Party name.

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"The Tea Party" is simply the conservative branch of the GOP. They don't really want to destroy the party, but just have a conservative voice within that party. Kind of like the "Black Caucus" within the Democrat party.

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Originally Posted by T1

"The Tea Party" is simply the conservative branch of the GOP. They don't really want to destroy the party...

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They are doing a pretty good job without trying. :icon_wink:

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Originally Posted by Woof!

They are doing a pretty good job without trying. :icon_wink:

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Hope you're right, but the GOP has all the money/tradition. They all rally around each other to destroy the Tea Party candidates. And the media favors the Republicans as the lesser of two evils. It's tough!

Wonder why Woof! won't answer a question?

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"The Tea Party" is simply the conservative branch of the GOP. They don't really want to destroy the party, but just have a conservative voice within that party. Kind of like the "Black Caucus" within the Democrat party.

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And the beautiful thing is they make the GOP accountable- or they shock the crap out of them and get the favored candidate out if they aren't conservative enough.

The Constitution is a well reasoned document. I don't understand why so many folks disagree. Obama, Holder, et al, should set their egos aside and fulfill their obligation to abide by it. I don't see how any American could defend their actions. Of course, I don't understand how any American could have voted for Obama twice. I'm not very bright, but I don't understand why immigration policy is an issue.

Because the Constitution was/is a symbol of oppression to many. It doesn't go far enough to "right the wrongs" of the past nor making the current lot good enough. Etc.

Immigration policy is an issue because immigration is a necessity for the prosperity of the nation and her people. But the people who are in position and have power to do anything keep pushing into one of two camps: completely open or completely closed.

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Because the Constitution was/is a symbol of oppression to many. It doesn't go far enough to "right the wrongs" of the past nor making the current lot good enough. Etc.

Immigration policy is an issue because immigration is a necessity for the prosperity of the nation and her people. But the people who are in position and have power to do anything keep pushing into one of two camps: completely open or completely closed.

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What is oppressive about the Constitution? It makes men free and puts us in control of the government. It tells the government what they are not allowed to do to us.

We have adequate immigration laws, it's the upholding of those laws that give us trouble. We view the legal immigrant and the illegal immigrant as equals and that gets us in trouble every 30 years or so when we have too many illegals and don't know what to do with them. We need a system that forces them to come legally. A fence? I don't know, but something!

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Because the Constitution was/is a symbol of oppression to many. It doesn't go far enough to "right the wrongs" of the past nor making the current lot good enough. Etc.

Immigration policy is an issue because immigration is a necessity for the prosperity of the nation and her people. But the people who are in position and have power to do anything keep pushing into one of two camps: completely open or completely closed.

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How is the Constitution a symbol of oppression?

There are laws on the books that address immigration. The government should enforce them. If they feel it necessary to rewrite the laws, do so in a way that any person applying for citizenship has the ability to help our country by bringing skills we need. That would make sense. But the idea that America should allow people in the country to collect government money, to be educated at tax payer expense, or qualify for food stamps is absurd and certainly is not "for the prosperity of the nation and her people."

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Because the Constitution was/is a symbol of oppression to many. It doesn't go far enough to "right the wrongs" of the past nor making the current lot good enough. Etc.

Immigration policy is an issue because immigration is a necessity for the prosperity of the nation and her people. But the people who are in position and have power to do anything keep pushing into one of two camps: completely open or completely closed.

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I'm not aware of anyone having a "completely closed" position on immigration policy. My understanding is that the Republican Party wants the borders secured first, and then will agree to an immigration overhaul. In the meantime, the current immigration policies would continue to be in force, allowing thousands of immigrants to come to America legally.

In my opinion, our immigration policy needs to favor skilled labor over family reunification. Any student who graduates from a 4-year university in the United States should be given the option to stay with a defined path to citizenship. While family reunification can still be given consideration, it should not be the priority.

The Mexicans are pretty smart. They're taking old Mexico back without ever firing a shot.

ACLU now sues Fed Govt. Wants Government to pay for attorney's for illegal immigrants in hearings. This is something even U.S. Citizens don't have right to. Amazing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...rant-kids.html

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What is oppressive about the Constitution? It makes men free and puts us in control of the government. It tells the government what they are not allowed to do to us.

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How is the Constitution a symbol of oppression?

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Please don't mistake that as my position. I am parroting the words of the left. But the answer is found into the second sentence I wrote. Just rehash in your head any and every race, sex, sexual orientation, income, etc. argument you ever heard, and you'll have your answer.

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We have adequate immigration laws, it's the upholding of those laws that give us trouble. We view the legal immigrant and the illegal immigrant as equals and that gets us in trouble every 30 years or so when we have too many illegals and don't know what to do with them. We need a system that forces them to come legally. A fence? I don't know, but something!

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Upholding our laws is a problem indeed, but they also aren't adequate. But I'm not sure how far to go or pull back. And as long as we are as prosperous as we are, there will never be a system that stops illegal immigration until we begin to ignore some "rights" and laws.

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There are laws on the books that address immigration. The government should enforce them. If they feel it necessary to rewrite the laws, do so in a way that any person applying for citizenship has the ability to help our country by bringing skills we need. That would make sense. But the idea that America should allow people in the country to collect government money, to be educated at tax payer expense, or qualify for food stamps is absurd and certainly is not "for the prosperity of the nation and her people."

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Skills we need are skills Americans are pushing themselves out of more and more. We need people to fill those spots. Legal immigration isn't getting it done (part of the inadequacy of our laws). Illegal immigrants take those jobs. You are not going to get Americans back into them no matter how desperate we are. We can not be so stringent to the point where there is a labor "shortage" for those crappy jobs.

Yes, welfare needs reform too. Separate but related issue.

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I'm not aware of anyone having a "completely closed" position on immigration policy. My understanding is that the Republican Party wants the borders secured first, and then will agree to an immigration overhaul. In the meantime, the current immigration policies would continue to be in force, allowing thousands of immigrants to come to America legally.

In my opinion, our immigration policy needs to favor skilled labor over family reunification. Any student who graduates from a 4-year university in the United States should be given the option to stay with a defined path to citizenship. While family reunification can still be given consideration, it should not be the priority.

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It was an intentional hyperbolic statement. But there are pockets on the right that want completely closed immigration. They haven't mainstreamed yet, thankfully.

Family unification should not be a consideration, imo.

This is getting worse by the hour.

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It was an intentional hyperbolic statement. But there are pockets on the right that want completely closed immigration. They haven't mainstreamed yet, thankfully.

Family unification should not be a consideration, imo.

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Not sure why it's even worthwhile talking about the extreme fringes. I'm sure there are just as many wacko liberals who want completely open borders. These positions are indefensible (on both sides).

Family reunification is why 30% of our immigrants are from Mexico, many of which are low-skilled workers having lower levels of English proficiency and education compared to immigrants from other countries. So long as Democrats perceive these people to be solid Democratic votes, I don't think immigration reform will abandon the focus on family unification.

Here's what a real leader does. I just wish he would have done it sooner.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...ef2p_Dho6_GT7w
'OUR CITIZENS UNDER SIEGE'
PERRY SENDS TROOPS TO BORDER

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Here's what a real leader does. I just wish he would have done it sooner.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...ef2p_Dho6_GT7w
'OUR CITIZENS UNDER SIEGE'
PERRY SENDS TROOPS TO BORDER

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Great! Be sure to vote for him if he runs for president. :icon_wink:

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Here's what a real leader does. I just wish he would have done it sooner.
'OUR CITIZENS UNDER SIEGE'
PERRY SENDS TROOPS TO BORDER

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Real leaders pay $12 million per month to be a visible presence, to refer and deter, but not detain anyone??? You probably will say "at least he's doing something." I see this as the kind of thing you would bash Obama for--looking like he's doing something, spending lots of money doing it, and accomplishing very little.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...men-to-border/

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Real leaders pay $12 million per month to be a visible presence, to refer and deter, but not detain anyone??? You probably will say "at least he's doing something." I see this as the kind of thing you would bash Obama for--looking like he's doing something, spending lots of money doing it, and accomplishing very little.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...men-to-border/

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I don't understand how Perry can order troops to the border, but Obama can't.

"It seems to me that a much more powerful symbol would be the bipartisan passage of legislation that would actually make a historic investment in border security and send an additional 20,000 personnel to the border." Josh Earnest

Why not just send them if it's powerful? Is Obama playing politics? He can bomb Libya without legislation! I just don't understand our government anymore.

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Real leaders pay $12 million per month to be a visible presence, to refer and deter, but not detain anyone??? You probably will say "at least he's [Perry] doing something." I see this as the kind of thing you would bash Obama for--looking like he's doing something, spending lots of money doing it, and accomplishing very little.

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Yeah, Perry is "leading from behind". :laugh:
http://news.yahoo.com/border-sheriff...142109129.html

Deterrents only work if there is the possibility of actual use. MAD was successful because everyone had an itchy trigger finger and was not afraid to kill everyone. You do not have to go to that extreme for border security and illegal immigration, but maybe halfway.

National Guard troops on the border will have the same effect that National Guards had in post-Katrina NOLA: a successful deterrent.

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National Guard troops on the border will have the same effect that National Guards had in post-Katrina NOLA: a successful deterrent.

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Except two things are wrong here.
1) LNG was not a successful deterrent, it was a successful supplement of the NOPD, sort of. The mission of the LNG under Blanco is completely different and practically opposite of what Perry is doing. LNG had power to detain, arrest, investigate, engage, etc. TNG will not have any of those abilities.

2) Putting the National Guard, along with Reserve and Regular, on the border has been done before. It did nothing to deter illegal immigration, stop any smuggling, or close the border.

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I don't understand how Perry can order troops to the border, but Obama can't.

"It seems to me that a much more powerful symbol would be the bipartisan passage of legislation that would actually make a historic investment in border security and send an additional 20,000 personnel to the border." Josh Earnest

Why not just send them if it's powerful? Is Obama playing politics? He can bomb Libya without legislation! I just don't understand our government anymore.

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He can. Both have the authority to deploy, but whoever authorizes foots the bill.

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He can. Both have the authority to deploy, but whoever authorizes foots the bill.

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So what's the hold up?

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So what's the hold up?

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I suppose he either doesn't think it accomplishes anything or he doesn't want to pay for it--or both.

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I suppose he either doesn't think it accomplishes anything or he doesn't want to pay for it--or both.

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This is what he wrote on June 30th:

I directed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency to coordinate this Government-wide response. This includes fulfilling our legal and moral obligation to make sure we appropriately care for unaccompanied children who are apprehended, while taking aggressive steps to surge resources to our Southwest border to deter both adults and children from this dangerous journey, increase capacity for enforcement and removal proceedings, and quickly return unlawful migrants to their home countries.

Nothing yet, so Perry acted.

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This is what he wrote on June 30th:

I directed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency to coordinate this Government-wide response. This includes fulfilling our legal and moral obligation to make sure we appropriately care for unaccompanied children who are apprehended, while taking aggressive steps to surge resources to our Southwest border to deter both adults and children from this dangerous journey, increase capacity for enforcement and removal proceedings, and quickly return unlawful migrants to their home countries.

Nothing yet, so Perry acted.

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It doesn't matter to me which of them enacts a bad plan--it's still a bad plan.

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It doesn't matter to me which of them enacts a bad plan--it's still a bad plan.

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They need to do something. This is sad.

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They need to do something. This is sad.

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On this, we agree.

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Real leaders pay $12 million per month to be a visible presence, to refer and deter, but not detain anyone???
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...men-to-border/

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Perry will bill Obama/Feds for the job Hussein wouldn't do. That I promise as Congressman Louie Gohmert, R-Texas is already calling for it.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

National Guard troops on the border will have the same effect that National Guards had in post-Katrina NOLA: a successful deterrent.

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And Congressman Louie Gohmert, R-Texas is already calling for Perry to bill Obama, for the job Obama swore to defend, which Perry will do.

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Except two things are wrong here.
1) LNG was not a successful deterrent, it was a successful supplement of the NOPD, sort of. The mission of the LNG under Blanco is completely different and practically opposite of what Perry is doing. LNG had power to detain, arrest, investigate, engage, etc. TNG will not have any of those abilities.

2) Putting the National Guard, along with Reserve and Regular, on the border has been done before. It did nothing to deter illegal immigration, stop any smuggling, or close the border.

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Lots of people disagree with your assesment, so let's give it a shot

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Lots of people disagree with your assesment, so let's give it a shot

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And lots of those stupid people are why we have Obama and a weak conservative movement. I wouldn't listen to them if I were you.

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And lots of those stupid people also are why we have Obama and a weak conservative movement.

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What would you do?

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And Congressman Louie Gohmert, R-Texas is already calling for Perry to bill Obama, for the job Obama swore to defend, which Perry will do.

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I don't equate referring and deterring with defending.

Regardless of how a bad idea is funded, it's still a bad idea.

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Regardless of how a bad idea is funded, it's still a bad idea.

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It's not a bad idea

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

What would you do?

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Off the top of my head:
Consolidate departments.
Expand remaining/new departments power by deregulation (remove limits).
Increase funding.
Increase technology
Increase personnel 1000x (and double pay and great requirements).
Change training. (Falls into the deregulation.)


And for the sci-fi fan in me, a border fence outfitted with a CWIS at every mile point. But really, a modern Hadrian's Wall. That includes a township/city/whatever every 30 miles along the border and everything that would entail.

(This all includes border with Canada, too.)

I do have an idea for military use, but a lot of the above would have to be implemented first for that to even be a consideration.

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It's not a bad idea

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Yes it is.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Off the top of my head:
Consolidate departments.
Expand remaining/new departments power by deregulation (remove limits).
Increase funding.
Increase technology
Increase personnel 1000x (and double pay and great requirements).
Change training. (Falls into the deregulation.)


And for the sci-fi fan in me, a border fence outfitted with a CWIS at every mile point. But really, a modern Hadrian's Wall. That includes a township/city/whatever every 30 miles along the border and everything that would entail.

(This all includes border with Canada, too.)

I do have an idea for military use, but a lot of the above would have to be implemented first for that to even be a consideration.


Yes it is.

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So you do nothing now? That's a TERRIBLE plan or lack of one.

Boots on the ground may slow, but won't stop the illegals from crossing. And it will get expensive. And it may put a few soldiers' lives in danger.

So....I propose minefields and motion-detector activated machine guns.


With warning signs written ONLY in English.

John Stossel, the libertarian's liberatian, supports troops on the border. He's the most unlikely, except for libby commies, to do so.

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So you do nothing now? That's a TERRIBLE plan or lack of one.

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I am more interested in doing more than just putting a flimsy bandaid on it. Enforce current laws and turn a blind eye to some things is the only way for anything to be done immediately. Military involvement is not a stop-gap measure that will produce results in any good measurement.

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Boots on the ground may slow, but won't stop the illegals from crossing. And it will get expensive. And it may put a few soldiers' lives in danger.

So....I propose minefields and motion-detector activated machine guns.


With warning signs written ONLY in English.

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I don't think it would even slow. It may slow in Texas, but that is only because instead of crossing in Texas, they went through Arizona, New Mexico, or California.

Not sure I would include mines. Have to think about that one.

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John Stossel, the libertarian's liberatian, supports troops on the border. He's the most unlikely, except for libby commies, to do so.

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**** ***.

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So....I propose minefields and motion-detector activated machine guns.

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Minefields would be deadly to ex-Marines and other Americans that enter Mexico illegally.

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Boots on the ground may slow, but won't stop the illegals from crossing. And it will get expensive. And it may put a few soldiers' lives in danger.

So....I propose minefields and motion-detector activated machine guns.


With warning signs written ONLY in English.

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Great idea! Why kill soldiers when you can kill little kids. :o

Dawg80, I think you're on to something. Good idea.

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Minefields would be deadly to ex-Marines and other Americans that enter Mexico .

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Shows how much you read the real news per the Retired Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi that Obama ignores in a Mexico prison Salty. Even 3rd world Mexico thinks Obama is a joke. Yes yet another Obama travesty and total lack of being able to do his job.

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Minefields would be deadly to ex-Marines and other Americans that enter Mexico illegally.

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Wouldn't it be interesting if Mexico had a problem keeping illegal Americans out?

They have laws though (and they enforce them):

Mexico’s illegal immigration laws are a lot tougher than those of the U.S. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be jailed for ten years. Visa violators can be sentenced for six-year terms and Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered to be criminals.

It doesn’t end there. Under Mexican law, foreigners can be deported if they are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests”, violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy”, or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance.” This applies to their dependents as well.

I didn't realize Mexicans were racists!

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Boots on the ground may slow, but won't stop the illegals from crossing. And it will get expensive. And it may put a few soldiers' lives in danger.

So....I propose minefields and motion-detector activated machine guns.


With warning signs written ONLY in English.

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The two goofy libtards responded, as expected.

I stand by this proposal. Seems to me if you're not trying to enter the US illegally, this wouldn't affect you. Now....would it!

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The two goofy libtards responded, as expected.

I stand by this proposal. Seems to me if you're not trying to enter the US illegally, this wouldn't affect you. Now....would it!

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So are you okay with killing children because the are trying to enter the US illegally?

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So are you okay with killing children because the are trying to enter the US illegally?

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Doesn't sound like a pro life stance does it? :shocked2:

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Yeah, Perry is "leading from behind". :laugh:
http://news.yahoo.com/border-sheriff...142109129.html

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President Obama has dispatched a team to Texas to review whether deploying National Guard troops could help the crisis at the border

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...#ixzz38POEHlIF

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Doesn't sound like a pro life stance does it? :shocked2:

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I posted elsewhere I'm with you libtards on that issue. Kill 'em all! If it's not me, or someone close to me, die! I don't give a chit.

I love the sound of machine guns in the morning....rat-a-tat.

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So are you okay with killing children because the are trying to enter the US illegally?

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Only the ones with neck tattoos.

Obama's backwards and upside-down as always solution. I really think turning back to our GOD and impeachment of Obama is the only solution for this countries problems, sins and scandals.

Feds consider letting Hondurans into USA without making trek through Mexico...

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Obama's backwards and upside-down as always solution. I really think turning back to our GOD and impeachment of Obama is the only solution for this countries problems, sins and scandals.

Feds consider letting Hondurans into USA without making trek through Mexico...

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A headline can't tell everything, but it can be more than a half-truth. My headline would be Feds consider letting Honduran refugees into USA without making dangerous trek through Mexico... This more accurately reflects what the article says.

I guess I'm ignorant of what's going on in Honduras. We have street gangs in America too. Sounds like they are going to have a hard time qualifying as refugees.

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I guess I'm ignorant of what's going on in Honduras. We have street gangs in America too. Sounds like they are going to have a hard time qualifying as refugees.

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It was the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Action Act signed into law by none other than "W" that brings them here.

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It was the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Action Act signed into law by none other than "W" that brings them here.

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Thinking with his heart again. That gets us every time. What a mess!

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It was the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Action Act signed into law by none other than "W" that brings them here.

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The inefficiency and laziness of government is the problem, not that particular law. Granted, the law is flawed because it doesn't do a damn thing to fight child trafficking.

No, it encourages it.

Well...the cocky team of Obama/Holder/Kerry/Reed/Pelosi defy the American people again.

POLL: 77% want illegals sent home...

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It was the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Action Act signed into law by none other than "W" that brings them here.

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I have a couple of libtard friends who are holding this up as a reason to support this latest round of illegal immigration. Find it curious that suddenly "W" is some genius president whose policy on this is right on the mark. So....I asked my libtard friends, what other policies of "W's" do you find so great?


BTW, they really are friends. Except for their view on politics, economics, religion, sports, family matters, and often the weather, we actually can get along :rolleyes:.

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Well...the cocky team of Obama/Holder/Kerry/Reed/Pelosi defy the American people again.

POLL: 77% want illegals sent home...

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Articles straight off Drudge.

ILLEGALS GET SUITES WITH FLAT-SCREEN TVS...

Conservatives, Republican Leaders Battle Over Border Bill...

SHOCK POLL: GOP Standing Strong Against Illegal Immgiration More Important Than Benghazi, Repealing Obamacare...

1,000 Children Fleeing Violent Honduras Transferred to Violent Chicago...

'Godfather' Welcomes...

Chicken pox outbreak leads to lockdown of facility...

UPDATE: TB, Scabies Spreading...

Sheriff: Over 120,000 Illegals Arrested near Tucson...

BORDER BREAKDOWN:

BUCHANAN: Obama Will 'Transform America' with Amnesty...

Illegals Shipped to Hawaii...

Even with all of this continuing to happen the Senate Dems ran off and Nobama is going to go lawless again and against the will of the American people. :argue:

PAPER: Hundreds of dead border-crossers in single Texas county...

Rancher shares grotesque photos...


House OKs border bill after Senate
bolts as Obama vows to 'act alone'

• http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.c...801_205055.jpgReuters/AP
• THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES revives and approves a Republican-authored border crisis bill after GOP leaders resolve an internal battle that scuttled the vote a day earlier —
• but there's little chance of any bill reaching President Obama's desk until the fall.

Wow do we have problems! This needs it's own thread.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...Open-US-Border

Good grief!! We need to impeach him quick after we win the senate in November.


GOVERNOR: Obama Asking Us to Divert Resources Away From Our Own Children...

Obama has so much corruption in the real news that his unconstitutional, unPresidential oath, illegal immigration decisions are not making news. So......In the mean time O'Keefe tries to make it headline news again. :thumbsup:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...49_634x327.jpg

O'KEEFE STRIKES AGAIN: This time dressed as Osama bin Laden...

Watch him sneak across border from Mexico...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...d14e354353e347

The Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil in the world. (and nobody is saying they don't matter, they are just breaking federal law).

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...d14e354353e347

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Not the point at all. Things like this are the point. There are correct ways to enter a sovern nation's borders and this isn't it. We are the only chumps doing this against our own laws at that!

And worse is that Obama and his ADM knew about this a long time ago and in fact encouraged it by his usual maddening lack of true American constitutional leadership. Much like his allowing thousands of Christians and minorities to be killed in the Syrian, Iraq and now the muslim/Islamic ISIS torn war/genocide (if you've been reading the real news about this since Obama was warned 9 months ago at least).

Obama Admin Released More Than 600 Illegal Immigrants With Criminal Convictions...

'Homeland Security' broke law...