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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

It seems to me if a person had any respect for handicapped persons, they wouldn't even pull into a handicapped space. But, then I realize that some people are only concerned with themselves and the inconvenience of having to walk a few more feet from another parking space. They will argue they weren't "parked" to justify being in a space that was never intended for them to be able to use to begin with because it is reserved for those with a disability. In the end, I know that I have the good conscience to not pull into a handicapped space to begin with. I wish everyone did who isn't handicapped.

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Javert, not one single handicapped person was denied a spot. He did respect the handicapped. He stayed in the car, ready to move it if one of the two remaining spots filled. That is respect.

Respect was what was denied the Tech student.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

So now it is a cop's job to make sure everyone treats each other with respect. :icon_roll:

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Unless it's the cop having to show the respect.

Wow. I was done with this thread until those comments Dawgfan. What I did WAS NOT WRONG. I am not justifying it by saying I wasn't parked. I did what I did because Tech didn't think out this kind of situation. Instead everywhere I go that is connected to Tech Police about this I get the "well too bad you shouldn't have done it response" instead of anyone trying address the actual situation. I asked about adding a loading zone but I am told Tech can't remove regular spots with consent of enough students in the area (oh wait didn't Tech also paint an entire curb in that same parking lot red during the school year). I have tried to be civil about it but trashing me because you are getting worked up crossed the line. The point is one Tech cop saw a "punk" in a red mustang sitting in a handicapped spot and wanted to get back at him. Did he make an assumption about me because my car? I don't know. He could have just been having a bad day. But just like you did on here he let his emotions take over and wrote a flawed ticket.

It is really funny how you blast someone like me for this. How about the Tech Police officers that park in handicapped spots to come unlock UP apartments when students get locked out then? Continue to ask handicapped people what should be done but next time instead of summing it up and saying someone was waiting in a handicapped spot to load you tell the full story. You know student sitting a handicapped spot.

Go on with your appeal the ticket crap. Everyone with Tech Police I talk to says odds are it won't get overturned. And as people have said they will probably schedule my only chance of a hearing at the worst possible time. It is much easier just to pay the ticket. I was planning on just doing that until that little rant by you but now I might have to call some lawyers to come talk to them on my behalf. I bet if I show up with one they drop the ticket without even thinking.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

He stayed in the car, ready to move it if one of the two remaining spots filled. That is respect.

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I'm SURE that's the reason he stayed in the car...lol!

"Run upstairs real quick while I sit and wait in the car in case any handicapped persons need to park" - :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I'm SURE that's the reason he stayed in the car...lol!

"Run upstairs real quick while I sit and wait in the car in case any handicapped persons need to park" - :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Now you're a truth detector. What a joke.

That is what he said he was doing. If he wasn't, he would have been a gentleman and hauled the stuff for his girlfriend. They guy said he didn't want to prevent a handicapped person from getting a spot. I believe him, and as an officer of the law, you had no reason to disbelieve him either.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

The point is one Tech cop saw a "punk" in a red mustang sitting in a handicapped spot and wanted to get back at him.

I was planning on just doing that until that little rant by you but now I might have to call some lawyers to come talk to them on my behalf. I bet if I show up with one they drop the ticket without even thinking.

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Get back at him for what? For having a red mustang? That's pretty arrogant to suggest you are better than someone because you drive a Ford Mustang and you feel they were jealous and wrote a ticket because of it.


Contacting a lawyer over a university parking ticket? If you want to spend the money, it's your right. Threatening a lawyer doesn't change my opinion. Parking in a handicapped spot when you aren't handicapped is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Parking in a handicapped spot when you aren't handicapped is wrong.

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Yes, but was he "parked"?

Yes. His vehicle was in a parking space, stopped and out of gear. He was parked.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Yes. His vehicle was in a parking space, stopped and out of gear. He was parked.

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Finally, you quoted a parking regulation. Would you please give me a cite so I can post a link?

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Get back at him for what? For having a red mustang? That's pretty arrogant to suggest you are better than someone because you drive a Ford Mustang and you feel they were jealous and wrote a ticket because of it.


Contacting a lawyer over a university parking ticket? If you want to spend the money, it's your right. Threatening a lawyer doesn't change my opinion. Parking in a handicapped spot when you aren't handicapped is wrong.

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Am I saying he was jealous? No. But anyone that has ever driven a sports car knows that cops watch us and hope we do something bad. Ask guiss about his encounters with his 3000GT. He sees a sports car and says "I've seen enough of people waiting here."

As far as a lawyer no I am not going to go that far but in case you can't tell there are a few on the board who are eager to get into this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Yes. His vehicle was in a parking space, stopped and out of gear. He was parked.

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Are you the one that wrote the ticket?

Here's a tidbit of information:

West's Louisiana Statutory Criminal Law and Proceedure 2008 defines parking as:

"Park" or "Parking" means the standing of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or passengers.

By the definition of the law, Juice was in violation. There was nobody present at the vehicle other than him, therefore he was not actually engaged in the loading or unloading of passengers. Therefore he was PARKED. (see above definition)

West's Law is the book that Judges and Prosecutors use daily in court for trials.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I'm SURE that's the reason he stayed in the car...lol!

"Run upstairs real quick while I sit and wait in the car in case any handicapped persons need to park" - :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Actually detective that is exactly the case. In the few times I did what got me the ticket, I ALWAYS moved when it looked like the spot I was in was needed.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Here's a tidbit of information:

West's Louisiana Statutory Criminal Law and Proceedure 2008 defines parking as:

"Park" or "Parking" means the standing of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or passengers.

By the definition of the law, Juice was in violation. There was nobody present at the vehicle other than him, therefore he was not actually engaged in the loading or unloading of passengers. Therefore he was PARKED. (see above definition)

West's Law is the book that Judges and Prosecutors use daily in court for trials.

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Finally we are getting somewhere. Thank you for breaking the cylce of only saying "shouldn't have done it." So what is engaged? Does that mean until she is by my car actually loading stuff I can get a ticket?"

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Here's a tidbit of information:

West's Louisiana Statutory Criminal Law and Proceedure 2008 defines parking as:

"Park" or "Parking" means the standing of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or passengers.

By the definition of the law, Juice was in violation. There was nobody present at the vehicle other than him, therefore he was not actually engaged in the loading or unloading of passengers. Therefore he was PARKED. (see above definition)

West's Law is the book that Judges and Prosecutors use daily in court for trials.

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Looks like the ticket was wrongfully given. The car was temporarily stopped and they were engaged in loading the vehicle. In any event, the car wasn't standing. I believe it was running.

Looks like Dawgfan has defeated his own point. Just because the person isn't present actually unloading doesn't mean unloading isn't taking place. As Juice pointed out earlier, vendors do this all the time with no repurcussions, and I guarantee you their vans aren't running with anyone watching them to move them if need be. The car was being unloaded. Dawgfan is wrong. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't at least one lawyer on the board who is local who wouldn't show up pro bono on Juice's behalf if he's not got something else going on.

He wasn't unloading. He was sitting in the car with nobody else present. That isn't loading or unloading. "Standing" means sitting still. So there goes that argument too.

I have grown weary of street lawyers, so I'm unsubscribing from this thread. He was PARKED!

As long as he had the flashers on, he's good to go.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I have grown weary of street lawyers, so I'm unsubscribing from this thread. He was PARKED!

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I think at least one "real" lawyer (or more) has posted on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

He wasn't unloading. He was sitting in the car with nobody else present. That isn't loading or unloading. "Standing" means sitting still. So there goes that argument too.

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If the vending man wasn't present at his van while he was loading the machines inside the building, would he have been eligible for a violation?

Depends on whether he was the guy who puts the Hot Fries or RC Cola in the machine. I'm on that guy's side:icon_wink:

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

If the vending man wasn't present at his van while he was loading the machines inside the building, would he have been eligible for a violation?

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Hell yeh, you have to be able to load and be in your car at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

What rules are not followed? Please cite a specific example where Ipersonally broke a rule and then held someone accountable to the same rule. You can't name one. You might cite " a cop did this or a cop did that", but it won't be me you are talking about. I'm not playing "holier than thou", I just simply don't break rules and expect others to follow them. It's a very easy concept to follow. Other officers may break rules, but they aren't the ones posting to this board, so blasting me doesn't solve anything. I'll defend my actions all day long, but others will have to defend their own.

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Again, do you speed? Yes. Are you a police officer? Yes. Do you give yourself a ticket everytime you speed? No.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

West's Law is the book that Judges and Prosecutors use daily in court for trials.

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Honest question, does West's Law apply to Tech's parking regulations?

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

Honest question, does West's Law apply to Tech's parking regulations?

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He quoted a Louisiana Revised Statute. Skill is really the one to ask whether it applies. I'm going to give Skill a plug. In my opinion, he is one of the best criminal defense lawyers around here. I'm a complex fact civil lawyer. :D

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

Again, do you speed? Yes. Are you a police officer? Yes. Do you give yourself a ticket everytime you speed? No.

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Every time you speed do you go to the police department and ask for a ticket? Police Officers are not above the law, even in their cruiser. They can be pulled over and ticketed on duty while in uniform, and it does happen. Your argument is similar to the way some people react when pulled over; "that guy was going faster than me, why didn't you pull him over?" The fact that someone else is also breaking the law doesn't make yours ok.

Officers tend to give certain people breaks (doctors, nurses, firefighters, military, other officers) on "minor" offenses. Regular, everyday people are sometimes included in these breaks if they're not idiots, more people talk their way into a ticket than out of one.

Getting back to Juice's situation; It seems the officer was correct. He was parked and not loading his vehicle, so according to that statute listed earlier, he is guilty of parking in a handicap space. I would not have handled it the same way, but the officer wasn't wrong. It seems to be a case like in the Big Lebowski, "You're not wrong Walter, you're just a dick"

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

Every time you speed do you go to the police department and ask for a ticket? Police Officers are not above the law, even in their cruiser. They can be pulled over and ticketed on duty while in uniform, and it does happen. Your argument is similar to the way some people react when pulled over; "that guy was going faster than me, why didn't you pull him over?" The fact that someone else is also breaking the law doesn't make yours ok.

Officers tend to give certain people breaks (doctors, nurses, firefighters, military, other officers) on "minor" offenses. Regular, everyday people are sometimes included in these breaks if they're not idiots, more people talk their way into a ticket than out of one.

Getting back to Juice's situation; It seems the officer was correct. He was parked and not loading his vehicle, so according to that statute listed earlier, he is guilty of parking in a handicap space. I would not have handled it the same way, but the officer wasn't wrong. It seems to be a case like in the Big Lebowski, "You're not wrong Walter, you're just a dick"

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Funny story. I saw 2 Ruston PD cars going close to 50 down Alabama the other night.

As far as my case, if they want to give me a ticket that is fine. My problem lies in everything around it. It is not written down, not defined, randomly enforced. Not to mention that it took a month and a half (and 16 pages on this thread) to even have them give me any kind of clarification in the parking rules. They have tried to send me in just about every direction just to get me to drop it and pay the ticket instead of trying to settle the issue (which of course why should they since they make money off this).

Technically, "West" is just the name of the publisher. But in Louisiana, you are correct to point out that Judges and Prosecutors use these statutes. So do the defense attorneys. Does the University adopt the Louisiana Statutes for parking offenses that fall under the University's exclusive jurisdiction? Furthermore, it seems like Juice can get out of this one by saying he was unloading. What was the total time you were in the spot, Juice?

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Here's a tidbit of information:

West's Louisiana Statutory Criminal Law and Proceedure 2008 defines parking as:

"Park" or "Parking" means the standing of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or passengers.

By the definition of the law, Juice was in violation. There was nobody present at the vehicle other than him, therefore he was not actually engaged in the loading or unloading of passengers. Therefore he was PARKED. (see above definition)

West's Law is the book that Judges and Prosecutors use daily in court for trials.

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

Every time you speed do you go to the police department and ask for a ticket? Police Officers are not above the law, even in their cruiser. They can be pulled over and ticketed on duty while in uniform, and it does happen. Your argument is similar to the way some people react when pulled over; "that guy was going faster than me, why didn't you pull him over?" The fact that someone else is also breaking the law doesn't make yours ok.

Officers tend to give certain people breaks (doctors, nurses, firefighters, military, other officers) on "minor" offenses. Regular, everyday people are sometimes included in these breaks if they're not idiots, more people talk their way into a ticket than out of one.

Getting back to Juice's situation; It seems the officer was correct. He was parked and not loading his vehicle, so according to that statute listed earlier, he is guilty of parking in a handicap space. I would not have handled it the same way, but the officer wasn't wrong. It seems to be a case like in the Big Lebowski, "You're not wrong Walter, you're just a dick"

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He was unloading.

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

He was unloading.

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I don't think waiting for your girlfriend to run into the apartment and back counts as loading, or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

I don't think waiting for your girlfriend to run into the apartment and back counts as loading, or am I wrong?

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Why couldn't it be considered unloading and loading?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Why couldn't it be considered unloading and loading?

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I think of loading as putting something in your car, like groceries, boxes, etc that you can't carry to a further parking space. People that can walk don't need to be loaded into a car. But that's just my opinion

Don't suck up just because you want to be a police officer, bruh.

DF8675309 is being a total dick about this. No wonder no one likes him.

'No sweetie, let me get out out of RUNNING VEHICLE to go upstairs and help you with this stuff. That way, I'm loading. My car will get stolen, but I'm loading.'

Yeah, THAT'S the proper protocol.

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Originally Posted by Luminaire

Don't suck up just because you want to be a police officer, bruh.

DF8675309 is being a total dick about this. No wonder no one likes him.

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Why would I suck up to a Tech cop? I respect Tech PD because they're police officers, but I have nothing to gain by sucking up to any of them. I'm giving my opinion and don't really care who agrees or disagrees with it. Read my other posts on this thread, I said the guy that gave the ticket was a dick, but not wrong from what I know of the situation and law. If I felt he was wrong I would have said so, cops make mistakes too.

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Originally Posted by Luminaire

'No sweetie, let me get out out of RUNNING VEHICLE to go upstairs and help you with this stuff. That way, I'm loading. My car will get stolen, but I'm loading.'

Yeah, THAT'S the proper protocol.

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He said his girlfriend ran up to the apartment real quick, unless I missed something I don't recall anything being carried or loaded. Sounds to me she ran upstairs to get something like keys, money, makeup, etc. not a TV or something that requires help or can't be carried to a regular space.

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

He said his girlfriend ran up to the apartment real quick, unless I missed something I don't recall anything being carried or loaded. Sounds to me she ran upstairs to get something like keys, money, makeup, etc. not a TV or something that requires help or can't be carried to a regular space.

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Well, to play DawgFan18005518900 here for a minute, I'm going this route:

If she went to get her keys, and brought them back into the car with her, she was loading the car.

If we're gonna be vague about 'park' we can damn sure be vague about 'load'.

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

Every time you speed do you go to the police department and ask for a ticket? Police Officers are not above the law, even in their cruiser. They can be pulled over and ticketed on duty while in uniform, and it does happen. Your argument is similar to the way some people react when pulled over; "that guy was going faster than me, why didn't you pull him over?" The fact that someone else is also breaking the law doesn't make yours ok.

Officers tend to give certain people breaks (doctors, nurses, firefighters, military, other officers) on "minor" offenses. Regular, everyday people are sometimes included in these breaks if they're not idiots, more people talk their way into a ticket than out of one.

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Several Officers here agree with your assessment completely. They ALL (but 1) say that they would have just asked him to move now and just park in the road behind other cars.

Sometimes, Police get bored.... and when Police get bored, civilians pay. Just the way of life.


Got into a good "war story" when we were talking about this situation:
A State Trooper here gave an officer a ticket in her personal car when he was on his way to work. Later in the day, the officer saw the same State Trooper going about 15 over on I-20, the SPD officer pulled over the State Trooper in his patrol car and issued him a ticket as well. Both supervisor's met and decided to dismiss both tickets... the SPD guy made his point.

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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

the SPD guy made his point.

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Which was?

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

He said his girlfriend ran up to the apartment real quick, unless I missed something I don't recall anything being carried or loaded. Sounds to me she ran upstairs to get something like keys, money, makeup, etc. not a TV or something that requires help or can't be carried to a regular space.

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Actually, if I remember correctly she was unloading something from the car to her apartment hence the unloading.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Question. Where do ya'll expect people to sit and wait when they are with someone that has to run up to their room real quick? Where can you sit for loading and unloading? There is not a spot over there. There are 4 handicapped spots in that one section with another 4 on the other side of the buildings. It is a messed up system and either you can take an ego trip and give someone a ticket or in a case where there are plenty of other spots you can take the extra effort and give them a warning. Were you the one that gave me the ticket? I have no problem with Tech police in general. I have been pulled over for going 25 in a 20 and running a yellow light (was green when I was 5 feet from it). Just curious what I we are expected to do since it wasn't thought through enough to give a loading/unloading.

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Here's what makes me think of it as loading/unloading.

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Originally Posted by AustinDawg

Which was?

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That cops are supposed to look the other way when other cops break the law.

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

Actually, if I remember correctly she was unloading something from the car to her apartment hence the unloading.

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Laundry. Oddly enough she was getting her laundry at 10pm. Don't know if I said that or not.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Laundry. Oddly enough she was getting her laundry at 10pm. Don't know if I said that or not.

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I was gonna say laundry because I thought I remembered you mentioning it.

Loading and unloading includes passengers.

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Originally Posted by AustinDawg

Which was?

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I can get you too.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Laundry. Oddly enough she was getting her laundry at 10pm. Don't know if I said that or not.

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I can see this going either way and I couldn't really argue with it. I can see how both sides are right in some ways and both sides are wrong in some ways (assuming we have the full story). Like I've said, I don't think the officer should have given the ticket, but I don't think he was wrong either. If it was my decision alone I would overturn the ticket, more for PR than anything. In my experience with Tech PD it seems to be a mentality of "when in doubt write the ticket" which can cause some PR problems.

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

I can see this going either way and I couldn't really argue with it. I can see how both sides are right in some ways and both sides are wrong in some ways (assuming we have the full story). Like I've said, I don't think the officer should have given the ticket, but I don't think he was wrong either. If it was my decision alone I would overturn the ticket, more for PR than anything. In my experience with Tech PD it seems to be a mentality of "when in doubt write the ticket" which can cause some PR problems.

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The standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Originally Posted by TulsaPup

Every time you speed do you go to the police department and ask for a ticket? Police Officers are not above the law, even in their cruiser. They can be pulled over and ticketed on duty while in uniform, and it does happen. Your argument is similar to the way some people react when pulled over; "that guy was going faster than me, why didn't you pull him over?" The fact that someone else is also breaking the law doesn't make yours ok.

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The difference is that I don't go around telling people that I don't break the rules nor do I pretend that the law is black and white. There are areas where common sense should be applied and this is one of those areas. If he wants to pretend the law is black and white, he should enforce the same black and white rules evenly.

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

The difference is that I don't go around telling people that I don't break the rules nor do I pretend that the law is black and white. There are areas where common sense should be applied and this is one of those areas. If he wants to pretend the law is black and white, he should enforce the same black and white rules evenly.

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I agree completely.

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

The difference is that I don't go around telling people that I don't break the rules nor do I pretend that the law is black and white. There are areas where common sense should be applied and this is one of those areas. If he wants to pretend the law is black and white, he should enforce the same black and white rules evenly.

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AG forgets he was cut a break and not taken to jail for fighting at a Tech baseball game. I'll spare the details, but numerous witnesses advised he started it, which should have resulted in his arrest. Now he bashes the very officers who spared him a criminal record.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

AG forgets he was cut a break and not taken to jail for fighting at a Tech baseball game. I'll spare the details, but numerous witnesses advised he started it, which should have resulted in his arrest. Now he bashes the very officers who spared him a criminal record.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I have grown weary of street lawyers, so I'm unsubscribing from this thread. He was PARKED!

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Two days. Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

AG forgets he was cut a break and not taken to jail for fighting at a Tech baseball game. I'll spare the details, but numerous witnesses advised he started it, which should have resulted in his arrest. Now he bashes the very officers who spared him a criminal record.

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Were those numerous witnesses you're talking about the other parties involved? Were you there? Did you gather details for yourself? Seems like you might be walking on dangerous ground by using your position as a police officer to spread around information like that unless you were absolutely certain that you are correct. May I ask why you're sparing the details?

Yes, so everyone knows. There was a fight in the student section of JC Love field where I stood my ground to more than a few McNeese baseball parents. The decision was made by both parties to drop the incident. What the man above is ignoring is that there were really two separate incidents. I pushed a man back out of my face. At least two or three minutes later, other people not involved in the original altercation threw punches at me, none of which were returned (but only because a guy was holding my arms).

It was advantageous for me to drop the charges because I did push a guy (also, you kind of know something like that will eventually happen, so to me the fight wasn't a huge deal). The guy dropped the charges because he would have had issues of his own for standing at point blank range and initiating physical contact. Additionally, he was friends with the other people who threw punches.

The difference is that I'm not claiming to be perfect. You ARE claiming to be perfect. I'm not really meaning to bash "the very officers" who spared me a criminal record, just your claim of perfection. The officer with who dealt with that situation did a good job of communicating my options and the reprocussions of those options (can't remember his name). The officer who dealt with the situation, as well as Mr. Speed who spared me the University proceedings, both acted with a sense of understanding.

You want the rest of my dealings with police while a student? Let's see, I was kicked off of HWY 167 for wearing a mask in public while wearing the gorilla suit to raise money for Reno. Technically that was a crime (I had no idea). Also, I was caught with a group playing golf on the Tech golf course after dark (I didn't think that would be a crime either). I've also had five parking violations (methinks) and three speeding tickets during that time. Point is, me = not perfect. Maybe that's why I feel like police officers should be people instead of self righteous men who apply black and white to other people while ignoring their own grey.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

AG forgets he was cut a break and not taken to jail for fighting at a Tech baseball game. I'll spare the details, but numerous witnesses advised he started it, which should have resulted in his arrest. Now he bashes the very officers who spared him a criminal record.

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Dude you have officially been proven an asshole. I thought at first maybe you were one of the good Tech police officers (I thought most were actually good). Now I don't know if any exist. As far as I am concerned after reading your latest comments, you are all just a bunch of pigs.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Dude you have officially been proven an asshole. I thought at first maybe you were one of the good Tech police officers (I thought most were actually good). Now I don't know if any exist. As far as I am concerned after reading your latest comments, you are all just a bunch of pigs.

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Now my feelings are hurt...:bigcry: Get real - I have tough skin. You aren't the first person to call me an asshole and you certainly won't be the last.

If someone getting upset with a parking ticket or someone calling me an asshole is the worst thing that happens to me in any given day, I've done pretty good. Unfortunately, it isn't the worst. Not even close. You don't have the first clue. We don't wear body armor and carry weapons for parking tickets.

Please appeal the ticket. I hope you get it overturned. As a matter of fact, I wish you good luck in your appeal. Maybe you will save yourself the $50.00. Just remember....Handicapped zones are for handicapped people.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Dude you have officially been proven an asshole. I thought at first maybe you were one of the good Tech police officers (I thought most were actually good). Now I don't know if any exist. As far as I am concerned after reading your latest comments, you are all just a bunch of pigs.

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Perhaps he could have expressed himself a little more tactfully but dawgfan71227 is a good guy and good cop. I disagree with him on this issue and I honestly think that he would have personally handled this incident differently.

He is defending a fellow officer just as you and I may defend friends and co-workers. That doesn't mean he would have handled it the same way. I don't know who wrote the ticket but we all have days when we are not on our A-game. I don't think that this one thing would make him or her a "pig".

I still think that you have a legitimate beef. Just don't know if it would be worth your time to prove your point.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

What rules are not followed? Please cite a specific example where Ipersonally broke a rule and then held someone accountable to the same rule. You can't name one. You might cite " a cop did this or a cop did that", but it won't be me you are talking about. I'm not playing "holier than thou", I just simply don't break rules and expect others to follow them. It's a very easy concept to follow. Other officers may break rules, but they aren't the ones posting to this board, so blasting me doesn't solve anything. I'll defend my actions all day long, but others will have to defend their own.

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Originally Posted by skilldawg

Perhaps he could have expressed himself a little more tactfully but dawgfan71227 is a good guy and good cop.

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Just an interesting point, but it is interesting to me for someone to use the phrase "please cite a specific example where I," and claims that I can't name one; but keeps his identity a secret. It's easy for him to bring up information about me because I am open with my identity.

Just a point of interest.

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

Just an interesting point, but it is interesting to me for someone to use the phrase "please cite a specific example where I," and claims that I can't name one; but keeps his identity a secret. It's easy for him to bring up information about me because I am open with my identity.

Just a point of interest.

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Really Now... Heres how your info reads:

Date of Birth: July 23, 1984 Age: 23 Real Name: Abominable Gorilla Location: Pinellas Park (near Tampa), Florida Biography: About 6'4, pretty hairy, shirt size XXL, and I always GO APE FOR TECH! Occupation: I promote Tech with every opportunity. For money, I throw together some rocket science. Interests: School Tech Relationship: La Tech Student Year Graduated: 2007 Degree Type: Mechanical Engineering

Here's mine... Age: 39 Location: Choudrant, La. Occupation: Louisiana Tech University Interests: Cooking and Grilling Tech Relationship: La Tech Fan Favorite college sport: Men's basketball
I don't see any major differences except you added some humorous extras to yours...

My identity isn't hard to figure out. Many on here know exactly who I am. Just the fact my officer number is on the bottom of the ticket that started this post tells who I am. I don't broadcast my name on here because I don't want some idiot to mistake some of my posts for official posts from the department. My posting on here is a personal hobby not a part of my job.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

My posting on here is a personal hobby not a part of my job.

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You just reminded me of a question I have meaning to figure out - do cops have Internet access on the computers they carry in the squad cars?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You just reminded me of a question I have meaning to figure out - do cops have Internet access on the computers they carry in the squad cars?

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They do here (at least in a few jurisdictions) in North Alabama. Not too slow, either. I was quite impressed.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Really Now... Heres how your info reads:

Date of Birth: July 23, 1984 Age: 23 Real Name: Abominable Gorilla Location: Pinellas Park (near Tampa), Florida Biography: About 6'4, pretty hairy, shirt size XXL, and I always GO APE FOR TECH! Occupation: I promote Tech with every opportunity. For money, I throw together some rocket science. Interests: School Tech Relationship: La Tech Student Year Graduated: 2007 Degree Type: Mechanical Engineering

Here's mine... Age: 39 Location: Choudrant, La. Occupation: Louisiana Tech University Interests: Cooking and Grilling Tech Relationship: La Tech Fan Favorite college sport: Men's basketball
I don't see any major differences except you added some humorous extras to yours...

My identity isn't hard to figure out. Many on here know exactly who I am. Just the fact my officer number is on the bottom of the ticket that started this post tells who I am. I don't broadcast my name on here because I don't want some idiot to mistake some of my posts for official posts from the department. My posting on here is a personal hobby not a part of my job.

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First of all, thanks for pointing that out. I need to change my relationship and location.

Secondly, the reason you aren't seeing any major differences is because you're missing the entire point. I'M not going around making comments about "you never see ME" and then hiding behind my anonymity. Your claim was that I couldn't name a specific example where you personally broke a rule. That's an easy claim to make when you don't identify yourself. I respect your privacy, but you can't hide behind a shield of privacy and then expect to be taken seriously with comments like that.

Finally, (un)fortunately, more people know me around Ruston as Abominable Gorilla than Joseph McMahan and I'll bet ten times more people associate Abominable Gorilla to me than associate Dawgfan71227 to you.

My entire point here is that while Bret's situation might technically have been a crime, it is obviously not in violation of the spirit of the law. If you want to be respected as a police officer and you want to enforce the letter of the law, then you should enfore the letter of the law to yourself too.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You just reminded me of a question I have meaning to figure out - do cops have Internet access on the computers they carry in the squad cars?

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<quoting fingers> SPD doesn't have it. <wink wink>

That's why you'll see them sitting near coffee shops and such to get the hot spots. :icon_wink:

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

My entire point here is that while Bret's situation might technically have been a crime, it is obviously not in violation of the spirit of the law. If you want to be respected as a police officer and you want to enforce the letter of the law, then you should enfore the letter of the law to yourself too.

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And my point is, you allege misconduct on my behalf when you have absolutely no proof that such conduct has occurred.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You just reminded me of a question I have meaning to figure out - do cops have Internet access on the computers they carry in the squad cars?

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We don't have computers in the cars....yet. They are coming. We are told we will not have internet access per se. We won't be able to surf etc.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

And my point is, you allege misconduct on my behalf when you have absolutely no proof that such conduct has occurred.

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Proof is only necessary in a court of law. This is a friendly debate. You're only willing to make that comment behind your anonymity and twice you haven't denied the alleged misconduct.

And, for a third time, do you speed? Yes, you have gone at least ONE mph over the speed limit outside the course of your job. Do you write yourself a ticket when you do? No, you have never written yourself a speeding ticket. Hence, you believe in a grey area of the law when it applies to YOU, but here you are defending a black and white law when it applies to other people.

It's my opinion at this point that you don't actually believe that the ticket was appropriate, but you're just defending your fellow officer.

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

It's my opinion at this point that you don't actually believe that the ticket was appropriate, but you're just defending your fellow officer.

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Your opinion is wrong.... I wrote the ticket.

Can we stop this back and forth nonsense that is getting nowhere. I dont know juice, ag, or dawgcop. AG's point is understandable and makes sense. Dawgcop's point is also valid... He was just doing his job. Now, was it a petty ticket that would really piss me off...yeah I'd say so. Thats just one of those moments when you say "Don't you seriously have anything better to do?", we've all had those moments. But you have to understand that La Tech campus isn't a hotbed for criminal activities so they seriously have to do something. Was Juice putting others people's lives at risk by doing what he was doing? I seriously doubt it. Was it against the University Law? Probably. Was the policeman semi-inconsiderate and bored? Probably...But who am I to tell him how to do his job. 71227, Just curious...Do you have any figures on how much the Tech Police takes in on Parking Violations a year?

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Your opinion is wrong.... I wrote the ticket.

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Okay..since that's out of the way..who shot JR?

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Originally Posted by DAWG DUDE

Okay..since that's out of the way..who shot JR?

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It was Kristin if memory serves... :D

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71227, Just curious...Do you have any figures on how much the Tech Police takes in on Parking Violations a year?

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I don't know the figures. I have simply never asked. It's puplic information and should be available by calling Lt. Debra Moore in the traffic office at 257-2921. If she doesn't have the figure, she can point you to who does.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Your opinion is wrong.... I wrote the ticket.

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Why didn't you just tell him to move?

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

Why didn't you just tell him to move?

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Because according to this thread, I'm "Officially an Asshole". :D

My father got a parking ticket on campus in April of 1995. Him and Mom were passing through and decided to go by the bookstore to buy some Tech apparel (both are avid fans). While there, they recieved a parking ticket. on the back it stated if a visitor bring it by the office and you wouldn't have to pay it (something along that line, this was 13 years ago). So dad took it by, and since he was/is a deputy sheriff in Franklin Parish, he wanted to meet the chief. The chief told him not to worry about the ticket, he would take care of it, and when I got on campus to send me over and he would get me a job as a full-fledged ticket writer. Needless to say in August this guy didn't know me from Adam. The wierdest thing happened. The week before I graduated, I was notified that I had to be cleared by the Police Dept before recieving my diploma. Guess what just happened to show up:angry:. Thats right, the ticket that had been taken care of some 3 years earlier. Dawgfan, I have no prejudice whatsoever with Police. I don't disrespect them in the least. But I can tell you that this story was one of many that I/others I know have had with the Tech Police.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Because according to this thread, I'm "Officially an Asshole". :D

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But are you really? This thread is tiresome. :(

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Because according to this thread, I'm "Officially an Asshole". :D

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What was your reason? Was he belligerent?

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

What was your reason? Was he belligerent?

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My reason was he was parked in a handicapped zone without displaying a handicapped parking permit. Belligerent or not is irrelevant.

Being a police officer is not, and never will be, a popularity contest. By the very nature of having to enforce laws and campus regulations I, from time to time, make people angry.
I do not make an enforcement decision based upon whether or not the action is going to anger someone or wondering if they are going to think I'm an asshole for doing it. If I did that, I would never enforce anything.

Some on this board my agree with my actions, some may think I'm the biggest asshole that ever walked planet earth. It isn't going to change the way I do my job one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

My reason was he was parked in a handicapped zone without displaying a handicapped parking permit. Belligerent or not is irrelevant.

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So you didn't tell him to move along before getting out the ticket book?

That is very assholish.

Is he a repeat offender? Is parking in handicap zones at this building a problem?

Instead of trying to explain the situation and shed a positive light on the TECH police force, you have done the opposite I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

So you didn't tell him to move along before getting out the ticket book?

That is very assholish.

Is he a repeat offender? Is parking in handicap zones at this building a problem?

Instead of trying to explain the situation and shed a positive light on the TECH police force, you have done the opposite I'm afraid.

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I have explained where I am coming from thoughout this thread. I have no way to know if he is a repeat offender and YES parking in the handicapped zones at this building is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I have explained where I am coming from thoughout this thread. I have no way to know if he is a repeat offender and YES parking in the handicapped zones at this building is a problem.

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There are EIGHT handicapped spots in the area (4 where I was and 4 on the adjacentstreet). Only one handicapped person I had seen in those dorms and he doesn't even use those spots.

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Originally Posted by Juice752

There are EIGHT handicapped spots in the area (4 where I was and 4 on the adjacentstreet). Only one handicapped person I had seen in those dorms and he doesn't even use those spots.

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Dude, just pay the ticket. You obviously broke the law. I think it's pretty simple.....if you are not handicapped, don't park in a handicapped zone. Is that so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by mentechsters

Dude, just pay the ticket. You obviously broke the law. I think it's pretty simple.....if you are not handicapped, don't park in a handicapped zone. Is that so hard to understand?

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But he didn't PARK in a handicap zone.

You are correct, there are eight. They are reserved for HANDICAPPED PARKING only. Even if there are NO handicapped students present, the Americans with Disabilities Act states there will be a certain number of parking spots in a given area for HANDICAPPED PARKING. Since there are eight in that area, eight was the number needed to comply with the law.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

But he didn't PARK in a handicap zone.

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Yes he did. He wasn't loading or unloading. He was waiting by his own admission.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

Yes he did. He wasn't loading or unloading. He was waiting by his own admission.

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He was first unloading and then loading a passenger. Typically that involves a period of "waiting" for the passenger to get out and then a second period of "waiting" for the passenger to get in. If you were driving immediately before someone got in or out someone is likely to get hurt.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan71227

I do not make an enforcement decision based upon whether or not the action is going to anger someone or wondering if they are going to think I'm an asshole for doing it.

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Yes, but at least now you are admitting that you MAKE enforcement decisions - you use your discretion to determine when you want to enforce a regulation. I think you showed poor judgment in this case.

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Yes, but at least now you are admitting that you MAKE enforcement decisions - you use your discretion to determine when you want to enforce a regulation. I think you showed poor judgment in this case.

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I have never said I don't make enforcement decisions. I don't know where you came up with that. (thin air maybe??)

I don't believe I made a poor decision to write a ticket to someone who was parked somewhere they should not have been. It's a ticket I will continue to write. Handicapped zones are for handicapped people. If doing that makes me an asshole, count me as an asshole.

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IIf doing that makes me an asshole, count me as an asshole.

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Meaning no disrespect, I would like to take this opportunity, Dawgfan71227, to comment on those handicapped spaces between Sutten and Kidd in UP. Those 4 spaces correspond to 4 handicapped accessible rooms in apartments KA 105 and KA 106. I happen to live in and know all the people that live in those apartments and can positively say that none of the occupants are physically handicapped (and we have all lived there for 2 years), therefore those spaces should never legitimately be parked in, unless someone in the vicinity happened the break there leg recently. Furthermore, the only handicapped person I know of in the area is a friend of mine and lives in Sutton, always parking on western, rather than the afforementioned spaces. So, seeing as there is no loading zone (like there is across the street for the Thatcher and Caruthers commons) it would be appreciated if you could be a little forgiving of people who will only be in the spot for a few minutes(assuming there is another space available in case of emergency or they are readily able to move their car if needed). I am just asking that if a car is there, could you make note of it and come back 10 or 15 minutes later to see if they are still there and then give them a ticket? Or give them a warning? I personally have never been giving a ticket for this, but some friends of mine have for being in that spot for no more than 5 minutes, and if you are the cop that gave them the tickets, then you were very rude to them at the time. I would just like you to exercise some discretion and patience when dealing with those spaces if at all possible. Thank you.

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He was first unloading and then loading a passenger. Typically that involves a period of "waiting" for the passenger to get out and then a second period of "waiting" for the passenger to get in. If you were driving immediately before someone got in or out someone is likely to get hurt.

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Yes he did. He wasn't loading or unloading. He was waiting by his own admission.

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How is "loading" defined in the parking code that Tech uses? From what I have seen on this, it can vary by jurisdiction. In some places what Juice was doing was clearly loading, because the vehicle was standing temporarily while a second occupant was in the building retrieving the items to be "loaded." In other jurisdictions the loading/unloading must be immediate and active, so he would be parking when his girlfriend was out of sight, but loading when she was in sight.

I guess the test for this would be how Tech police handles other similar situations. For example, at Woodard Hall the Coke and snack vending machine tenders routinely park their trucks in the fire zone. So, during the period that they are in the building stocking the machines, do those vehicles get ticketed? If not, why not?

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How is "loading" defined in the parking code that Tech uses? From what I have seen on this, it can vary by jurisdiction. In some places what Juice was doing was clearly loading, because the vehicle was standing temporarily while a second occupant was in the building retrieving the items to be "loaded." In other jurisdictions the loading/unloading must be immediate and active, so he would be parking when his girlfriend was out of sight, but loading when she was in sight.

I guess the test for this would be how Tech police handles other similar situations. For example, at Woodard Hall the Coke and snack vending machine tenders routinely park their trucks in the fire zone. So, during the period that they are in the building stocking the machines, do those vehicles get ticketed? If not, why not?

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Because those people aren't Tech students, so the Tech Police don't harbor any ill feelings towards them. Plus, the vendors probably throw them a cold coke and package of Dolly Madisons.

Can this thread be renamed the thread that refused to die? The cops, be they La. Tech or any other agency, don't make the rules about how many handicapped spaces are available. It is specified in the Americans with Disabilities Act. The office I work in has 2 Handicapped spots that have never (in 7 years) been occupied by a handicapped driver, but we still are required to have them. Don't park there, quit bitching about how many there are and count your blessings that you don't actually need a handicapped parking spot!

I can understand about having to comply with the Persons with Disabilities Act; the building I work in has 8 handy-spots which only one person, who had a handy-pass, has ever parked in the three years I have been here, and yet the building isn't that accessable for a person in a wheelchair! The person who would park there just has a bad hip...

This thead has too many posts to review, but would Dawgfan71227 still have given a ticket if he pulled up as Juice's girl was getting out of Juice's vehicle?

Not that this applies to the situation at hand, but it's a picture that I took that I thought was funny and I don't think there is a better place to put this. I've thought about emailing this picture to the local police department.

You can't see it from the picture, but he DOES have a handicap tag hanging from his rearview mirror.

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Not that this applies to the situation at hand, but it's a picture that I took that I thought was funny and I don't think there is a better place to put this. I've thought about emailing this picture to the local police department.

You can't see it from the picture, but he DOES have a handicap tag hanging from his rearview mirror.

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probably as handycaped as my sister...all because she is bi-polar the State of TX was going to allow her a handycaped designation. She never filed it, but it seems they give them out to those that don't need them...and that vehicle is definatly not driven by a Little Person, someone in a wheel chair, or someone who uses crutches to walk...

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Originally Posted by SkeeterDawg

Can this thread be renamed the thread that refused to die? The cops, be they La. Tech or any other agency, don't make the rules about how many handicapped spaces are available. It is specified in the Americans with Disabilities Act. The office I work in has 2 Handicapped spots that have never (in 7 years) been occupied by a handicapped driver, but we still are required to have them. Don't park there, quit bitching about how many there are and count your blessings that you don't actually need a handicapped parking spot!

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It's not only was he parked or not..but why can't the officer just ask him to move?
If you are slightly speeding then a cop will flash his lights at you..if you don't wear your seat belt you hardly even get caught! And there are drugs being sold all over and teenage drinking going on at every party every weekend...and no one gets in trouble for all of that..

And I'm not excusing Juice for sitting in a handicapped spot because it probably wasn't the BEST decision..but he is the type of guy that all the officer had to do was tell him to move and he would do it without question.

It's like at school when I get in trouble for having my shirt untucked and John Smith is in the bathroom getting high or in the lunch room drinking vodka and PowerAde with his lunch.

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Originally Posted by DAWG DUDE

It's not only was he parked or not..but why can't the officer just ask him to move?
If you are slightly speeding then a cop will flash his lights at you..if you don't wear your seat belt you hardly even get caught! And there are drugs being sold all over and teenage drinking going on at every party every weekend...and no one gets in trouble for all of that..

And I'm not excusing Juice for sitting in a handicapped spot because it probably wasn't the BEST decision..but he is the type of guy that all the officer had to do was tell him to move and he would do it without question.

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He has every right in the world to right that ticket. He is not obligated to give me a warning. However does anyone else find the situation slightly ironic? I got a ticket for being in a handicapped spot when there were a few empty spots still there but his getting out of his car to write me a ticket actually blocked more handicapped spots than I did.

Is this the reason why Tech campus is considered the biggest speed trap in the state? <note I am not only talking about speeding but about unnecessary tickets>

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It's like at school when I get in trouble for having my shirt untucked and John Smith is in the bathroom getting high or in the lunch room drinking vodka and PowerAde with his lunch.

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That is Minden.

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That is Minden.

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Hey PUNK, Minden has it's bad..as does every town..but also has it's good (aka my group of friends).

The LSU fans are what really piss me off.

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Hey PUNK, Minden has it's bad..as does every town..but also has it's good (aka my group of friends).

The LSU fans are what really piss me off.

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Minden has some pretty great girls too.

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It's not only was he parked or not..but why can't the officer just ask him to move?

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Dawg Dude, you are wise beyond your years. What are you planning for your major at TECH?

I have a serious question. Why do University Police officers become University Police officers instead of say a local police officer, in this case a Ruston Police officer or even a Lincoln Parish Deputy Sherriff or Lousiana State Police Officer? Do you have to meet the same qualifications to achieve rank in each prospective unit or are some more difficult?