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Technically, I don’t think it is the virus itself that is killing so many people, but the body’s immune response to it and secondary bacterial infections you might acquire while your immune system is fighting the virus. How do you define deaths you are going to blame on COVID 19 and those that you don’t when a patient has COVID 19.
My understanding is also that it's the immune system's reaction to the virus not the virus itself that is the culprit (though we're probably arguing tomatoe, tomato). I've seen a couple of other cases where family members have indicated it wasn't the virus. However, the situation with this one is they were touting it as someone very young who died from it. If you look at http://ldh.la.gov/coronavirus/ they've removed it from the age group chart but not the overall total (as far as I know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I'm certain there are cases both ones. Some being reported as a death due to the virus just because they tested positive and then some (at least early on) where they weren't tested but may have had the virus.
Perhaps. But, ultimately, and that will have to wait until the crisis has passed, medical science needs to find answers to those questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
This is not exactly the same thing but, I lost my dad to a massive heart attack. The autopsy revealed he was also eaten up with cancer. So cancer would have taken him down eventually, had the heart failure not happened. Technically the cancer did not kill him. The doctor told us he probably would have lived several more years with the cancer, and possibly 10 years with treatment. Did the cancer cause strain on his heart, we asked. Nope! apparently they were totally unrelated conditions.
Right now it is expedient to connect all deaths to C-19. Using "scare" tactics helps to convince some hard-headed folks to take this more seriously. Eventually medical science needs to get this right. There will be political pressure to inflate the numbers as much as possible...and we all know why. But the scientists need to stay rooted in the facts to produce vaccines and other measures as we await the next version of a pandemic.
D80 - I think there is a lag time on the site somewhere in the neighborhood of two to four days...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Rhythmdawg could give a better guess
I know what each facility has to report to ldh every morning on their results received from the labs during the prior 24 hour period -
Some clinics and centers are getting results in 24 to 36 hours - some are in a lab of as much as 6 to 8 days
I have a brother who works for Quest and he says they are close to their targeted goal of 24 hour turn around in their Monroe lab - he says by the end of next week, that could be cut down to 45 minutes if they get what they are promised
As most on here know my wife is an NP who works in the rural setting at Reeves in Bernice - depending on the severity of the patient they get some tests back in 24 to 36 hours - the less severe patients its taking upwards of 3 to 4 days -
At the local hospital here in HOmer - they are on a 8 to 10 day lag with their lag partner (which in my book is inexcusable)
Interesting development in New Orleans due to stay at home order.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...streets-empty/
People usually don't die from cancer, they die from pneumonia and sepsis. Did cancer kill them?
Interesting discussion...
The underlying conditions sometimes exist before the virus, like being diabetic, HPB, or obese.
Sometimes the virus finds the underlying conditions like the guy who had the heart attack, but he may or may not have known he had heart issues.
Our health is always so important, but at a time like this it is literally life and death.
In Post 32 I had stated the above. However, they are still counting the death of the 17 year old in the totals. If you look at the age group bar graph it now has 1 listed for <18, they weren't doing this before and no bar was previously showing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
You should see the size of rats in downtown Houston at night poking and sneaking out of their sewers. Both cities have been bad for decades. I can't imagine how bad the old big cities are on the east and west coast; much-less somewhat middle of the country Chicago and Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue
Philadelphia rats are about the size of a pekingese.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
New York City's are regular size, though they don't care about anything. They own the streets.
Boston's are about regular size, too. I've mostly seen them (only at night and late into it) around Fenway, Back Bay, and the Common.
Weirdly enough, have yet to see a rat in any of my wandering of Washington, DC.
Yes indeed as I've been to these cities and out at night as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
As an eternal optimist, I believe we will be far better off as a result of this crisis. Vaccines, serums, tests, PPEs in abundance, procedures, all will be in place prior to the next pandemic. Just have to get there first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Congress must be in session thenQuote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
Good one! You get the Post of the Day award.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Great opportunity to deploy night hunters with air guns to whittle down that breeding base!Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonPieBlue