US News Third Tier

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Originally Posted by champion110

Thanks for the clarification. I like being selective and getting better students and I even like growing at a rate that we can keep up with, but I don't like a self imposed cap. I would like for Tech to grow a little faster and get some more size to it.

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I would hate for the growth to come at the expense of the student-teacher relationships and family feel of the University.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I would hate for the growth to come at the expense of the student-teacher relationships and family feel of the University.

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I understand that, but growth has to happen. I put that I didn't want to grow faster than we could accomodate. La. Tech has the potential to be a much larger university. If we can keep academic standards high and the ratio low, it is good thing. Tech is in a prime spot right now to really knock out any other college in N. Louisiana.

Besides, on the athletic side, wouldn't you LOVE to see a huge student body, more alumni, and the dollars that follow that?

I like the idea of a cap but we are nowhere near where I would like it. I have said before that I think 12,000 undergrads is a good number. Right now we are under 12,000 total enrollment. I would like to see us grow our graduate programs significantly.

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Originally Posted by champion110

I understand that, but growth has to happen. I put that I didn't want to grow faster than we could accomodate. La. Tech has the potential to be a much larger university. If we can keep academic standards high and the ratio low, it is good thing. Tech is in a prime spot right now to really knock out any other college in N. Louisiana.

Besides, on the athletic side, wouldn't you LOVE to see a huge student body, more alumni, and the dollars that follow that?

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You are right about that. When I say a cap on admissions I mean that as a near term goal. I would love the money and athletic benefits that would come with increased enrollment.

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Originally Posted by rabiddawg

mikedog must be an accounting major :icon_razz:

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While Tier 3 is obviously better than Tier 4, I would like to see Tech ranked equivalent (or higher than) with LSU. What programs are holding us back?

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Originally Posted by mikedog

While Tier 3 is obviously better than Tier 4, I would like to see Tech ranked equivalent (or higher than) with LSU. What programs are holding us back?

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It is not just about programs (probably hurts us in their metrics because we dont have a lot of post grad schools with LSU having them all). Student debt upon graduation (plus fo us), selectivity/acceptance rate is probably a metric, student "happiness" is a metric through surveys. Endowment size is probably used (negative for us), I believe diversity is a metric (probably lacking there). Number of programs offered is probably a metric that hurts us given our lack of professional schools. So, it is more than just the quality of the programs you have.

Two major pushes need to be made.

(1) Increasing the endowment. We really, badly need to be at least in the ~200m range.

(2) Increasing the number of American graduate students.

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Originally Posted by CChandler

Two major pushes need to be made.

(1) Increasing the endowment. We really, badly need to be at least in the ~200m range.

(2) Increasing the number of American graduate students.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by CChandler

Two major pushes need to be made.

(1) Increasing the endowment. We really, badly need to be at least in the ~200m range.

(2) Increasing the number of American graduate students.

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You are right on both accounts.

The endowments have a large affect on these types of rankings. Our endowment is severely lacking. Brian has been trying to make people aware of this for quite some time and I have taken up the cause as well.

US News and World Report: Methodology
25% - Peer assessment
16% - Average graduation rate
10% - Financial resources per student
7.5% - Critical reading and math portions of the SAT and composite ACT scores
7% - Faculty compensation
6% - High school class standing in top 10%
6% - Class size, 1-19 students
5% - Average alumni giving rate
5% - Graduation rate performance
4% - Average freshman retention rate
3% - Percent faculty with top terminal degree in their field
2% - Class size, 50+ students
1.5% - Acceptance rate
1% - Percent faculty that is full time
1% - Student/faculty ratio

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Originally Posted by hisaw

believe uno (knock) was in 4th tier, this is really great pub for tech.

with the tucker commission in place this is great news. another selling point for tech over other louisiana schools and with no texas or arkansas schools in the area this can be a big boost for admissions.

don't underestimate how much kids and parents put into these rankings.

perception IS reality.

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You hit the nail on the head. Look at what's in the Monroe paper today. Tech's PR people need to get articles like this in papers along the I-10 corridor in Louisiana.

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/2...llege+rankings

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Originally Posted by LT

You hit the nail on the head. Look at what's in the Monroe paper today. Tech's PR people need to get articles like this in papers along the I-10 corridor in Louisiana.

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/2...llege+rankings

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Still nothing in the Shreveport Times. There was an article in the BR Advocate yesterday touting LSU.

Where does tier III put us as far as being in the top 200, 250, etc.

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Originally Posted by brtransplant

Where does tier III put us as far as being in the top 200, 250, etc.

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Reneau said Tech is ranked #190. (To my knowledge, USN&WR does not release numerical rankings for the 3rd and 4th Tier schools.)

LSU is tied with 6 schools for the last spot in the "top tier" at #128.

There are 262 institutions designated as "National Universities" based on various criteria, 164 public and 98 private.

Conference USA Academics
1. Rice (Tier 1 #17)
2. Tulane (Tier 1 #50)
3. SMU (Tier 1 #68)
4. Tulsa (Tier 1 #88)
5. UAB (Tier 3)
5. UCF (Tier 3)
7. East Carolina (Tier 4)
7. Houston (Tier 4)
7. Memphis (Tier 4)
7. Southern Miss (Tier 4)
7. UTEP (Tier 4)
12. Marshall (South Region, Master's, Tier 1 #45)