Covid - 19

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

There is a big difference in hospitalization/death for people that were not vaccinated.

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Two of the men and the woman are all un-vaxxed and the woman doesn't wear a mask, ever! In this very limited sample 60% of the subjects are un-vaxxed and no one ended up in the hospital or even suffered a bad case. Not a scientific study, of course, just 5 people I happen to know. It is interesting that this, combined with the 50 or so party animals I've mentioned, all fly in the face of the fear-mongering. YES! I know these folks represent a tiny % of the greater population, I get that. But combined with the stat of 12,000 cases out of 4 million+ people in Louisiana, for an infection rate of just .003% (that's 1/3 of 1%) it does cast doubt on the whole "crisis."

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Two of the men and the woman are all un-vaxxed and the woman doesn't wear a mask, ever! In this very limited sample 60% of the subjects are un-vaxxed and no one ended up in the hospital or even suffered a bad case. Not a scientific study, of course, just 5 people I happen to know. It is interesting that this, combined with the 50 or so party animals I've mentioned, all fly in the face of the fear-mongering. YES! I know these folks represent a tiny % of the greater population, I get that. But combined with the stat of 12,000 cases out of 4 million+ people in Louisiana, for an infection rate of just .003% (that's 1/3 of 1%) it does cast doubt on the whole "crisis."

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Everyone I know (friends/relatives of friends/relatives) that are currently in the hospital or died last week were unvaxxed. Fortunately, my friends are all vaxxed and those that got Covid before vaccinating did not get hospitalized. But in my “second-degree” friend zone there has been a tremendous increase in hospitalizations with delta.

Time for the FDA to be abolished since it now follows political influence more than it does science.

The Pfizer vaccine, at no better than 40% efficacy in the latest scientific studies, no longer meets the 50% efficacy threshold to even be granted an emergency approval according the FDA's own rules.

Clinical trials of the experimental gene therapy are tainted and do not meet the basic scientific criteria to be used as evidence. Any jab mandate proponents don't have to trust me, trust NPR's reporting.

Moderna And Pfizer Vaccine Studies Hampered As Placebo Recipients Get Real Shot : Shots - Health News : NPR

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Time for the FDA to be abolished since it now follows political influence more than it does science.

The Pfizer vaccine, at no better than 40% efficacy in the latest scientific studies, no longer meets the 50% efficacy threshold to even be granted an emergency approval according the FDA's own rules.

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You are an idiot. The efficacy at greater than 8 months after vaccination is not part of the standard. And it is still quite effective at reducing hospitalization and death.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Here's a very small snippit in the much bigger picture of this mess...

I know 4 men, between the ages of 33 and 54, two of them fully vaxxed, the other two no vax. All 4 tested positive for China Delta, all 4 got sick, they all had the same experience, light flu-like symptoms, low grade fever and all perfectly fine by day 7. Three of the four are dedicated mask-wearers, the 4th is (was) a sometime mask-wearer, and he was one of the vaxxed ones. Michael A., age 33, has been one of those "militant" advocates for vaxxing, wearing masks, social distancing...he has been on Facebook for over a year cheerleading every mandate, encouraging folks to comply, chastising those who don't. He just posted that he can't explain why HE, one of those Fauci-worshippers, got sick from China Delta, but he still believes everything.

Of course there are those posting on his FB page with the "told you so." His wife posted she has followed the same regimen, and of course, they have been, ahem, very close, sharing food, kissing, etc... and she has not even tested positive for the virus. I am no virologist so I have no idea how this is possible, except to speculate our individual bodies, and its defense system, is very unique and will respond to outside threats in very different ways. If, BIG IF, this is more common, and not just some isolated incidents, then this does cast doubt on everything "we" have tried. It might be it is just a random luck lottery, and either you get the virus or you don't and there are no measures to change that.

A very close friend, Nora D., a 61 yr old woman, has never worn a mask, claims medical reasons, is not vaxxed, and even cared for a friend last year who got clobbered by the China virus and she has never, ever had an issue. She refuses to get tested too so it is possible she is virus-positive, but heck! it hasn't affected her any.

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My wife got COVID in February. She was over it in 7 days (with high blood pressure and other conditions), and during that time repeatedly sneezed on me and coughed on me and I even handled her test kit when she went and found out she had COVID. I NEVER got anything. No fever, sneezing or anything like that at all. Two months later I went and got the vaccine and had an allergic reaction to it where I spent a few hours under observation as my bleeding would not stop and my arm swelled up about twice it's size (much to the delight of our resident know-it-all, soy boy here).

I respect everyone's decisions about this, and in no way to I think there is a one-size-fits-all solution to be mandated here. Obviously I will not be getting a booster because of my reaction, but would recommend the vaccine to anyone that has not had a reaction to the shot OR HAS NOT HAD COVID.

I doubt it's random luck, though. Some folks obviously have some natural immunity to the virus. It's possible. I had to take a smallpox vaccination numerous times as a child because I never had one take.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

My wife got COVID in February. She was over it in 7 days (with high blood pressure and other conditions), and during that time repeatedly sneezed on me and coughed on me and I even handled her test kit when she went and found out she had COVID. I NEVER got anything. No fever, sneezing or anything like that at all. Two months later I went and got the vaccine and had an allergic reaction to it where I spent a few hours under observation as my bleeding would not stop and my arm swelled up about twice it's size (much to the delight of our resident know-it-all, soy boy here).

I respect everyone's decisions about this, and in no way to I think there is a one-size-fits-all solution to be mandated here. Obviously I will not be getting a booster because of my reaction, but would recommend the vaccine to anyone that has not had a reaction to the shot OR HAS NOT HAD COVID.

I doubt it's random luck, though. Some folks obviously have some natural immunity to the virus. It's possible. I had to take a smallpox vaccination numerous times as a child because I never had one take.

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Awww, did your little boo-boo hurt?

If you are sensitive to any of the ingredients in a vaccine, you might not have the same problem with the other. If you are sensitive to polyethylene glycol, you might do better with JNJ that doesn’t have it. Alternatively, if you are sensitive to the polysorbate in JNJ, you might do better with the mRNA vaccines.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Because kids aren’t vaxxed. Hawaii proves masking plus social distancing works. Once Texas schools have been open for three weeks we can compare Texas to Hawaii. Houston ISD schools open this week.

We know reopening schools will increase transmission because you are putting a lot of unvaxxed people together.

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You don’t think it has anything to do with people being stuck inside because it’s 9000 degrees and then all the student they are thrown back into an environment with close contact? I’m just trying to explore every possibility of why people are sick. Will the same thing happen when people in the Midwest are cooped up in 10 degree weather and then thrust back into society when it warms up?

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Time for the FDA to be abolished since it now follows political influence more than it does science.

The Pfizer vaccine, at no better than 40% efficacy in the latest scientific studies, no longer meets the 50% efficacy threshold to even be granted an emergency approval according the FDA's own rules.

Clinical trials of the experimental gene therapy are tainted and do not meet the basic scientific criteria to be used as evidence. Any jab mandate proponents don't have to trust me, trust NPR's reporting.

Moderna And Pfizer Vaccine Studies Hampered As Placebo Recipients Get Real Shot : Shots - Health News : NPR

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Didn’t they just announce problems with Moderna that could prevent FDA approval? Convenient for Pfizer.

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Originally Posted by techman05

You don’t think it has anything to do with people being stuck inside because it’s 9000 degrees and then all the student they are thrown back into an environment with close contact? I’m just trying to explore every possibility of why people are sick. Will the same thing happen when people in the Midwest are cooped up in 10 degree weather and then thrust back into society when it warms up?

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When more people spend more time together indoors, transmission will increase.

If they are unvaxxed, it will increase more.

If they are not masking, it will increase more.

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Originally Posted by techman05

Didn’t they just announce problems with Moderna that could prevent FDA approval? Convenient for Pfizer.

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Pfizer just put their application in ahead of Moderna. Pfizer applied in May, Moderna in June.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

When more people spend more time together indoors, transmission will increase.

If they are unvaxxed, it will increase more.

If they are not masking, it will increase more.

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So, naturally, after being around other people at work, school, hobbies, we all need to get a negative test before any physical contact between family members at home. God only knows what we are bringing home to kill each other every day.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You are an idiot.

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I think God every day that you have no children.

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Originally Posted by techman05

So, naturally, after being around other people at work, school, hobbies, we all need to get a negative test before any physical contact between family members at home. God only knows what we are bringing home to kill each other every day.

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Hospitals are full of people that wish they would have taken more precautions…

Just dropped our kids off for the first day. This is probably the riskiest thing we have done since COVID started. Got 8th, 6th, and a 2nd grader. In my experience, kids do just fine with masks. The kids who's parents make a big deal about tyranny and what not usually have kids who won't wear the masks. School leadership is also a big factor. My youngest has a principal who obeys the rules about 25% of the time. She has a staff that follows suit. The older kids have a principal that takes it seriously and they have much better masking procedures there.

The biggest impact is made by parents. It's true, you need to wear a good mask and you need to wear it properly. I watched my nephew where a mask properly in August (2020) at Disney World in 90 degree temps. It can be done. That said, one kid wearing a dirty mask or wearing it improperly doesn't invalidate the effectiveness of a masking policy. That's silly.