Sounds like another reason not to get Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
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Sounds like another reason not to get Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Lol! Even the vaccinated are still catching Covid. Don’t deflect, answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
At a much lower rate, and are being hospitalized at a much lower rate still.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Get vaccinated and you avoid nosocomial diseases to boot.
The argument seems to be shifting again. Now the outspoken pro-vaxers trust the vaccine to protect them, but mostly as long as you also get the vaccine to protect them. Seems like trusting your seatbelt to protect your in your car, but only to the extent that everyone else wears their seatbelt in their car to protect your better.
What?
No, you just haven’t been paying attention. The more the virus circulates, the more mutations it makes, and the more likely it is that their will be a mutation that gets around the protection of the vaccines. Also, the more people that go to the hospital, the more burden it places on the system and makes it more likely that responsible people can’t get medical attention if they need it. And also, the more people that don’t get the vaccine the greater the risk to those that can’t get the vaccine and the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Drunk driving is a much more apt analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Maybe, except that a driver can take every precaution and still fall victim to the drunk driver. Someone afraid of Covid can choose to take every precaution. Vaccinate, mask, complete social isolation, and be totally fine. They can make the choice to completely unplug from the world. Ordering groceries, working from home, and zooming with friends, family, and coworkers is entirely possible. Not much of a life though. But it does allow you to live without infringing on the rights of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Of course, the driver can choose to stay home as well. So there is that…..
Except for the fact that no one under 12 can get vaccinated and they don’t have the autonomy you described.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I just feel there is an element of inherent risk with leaving your house. If everyone abided by all the rules, there would be no murder, no drunk driving, no speeding, and no car crashes. Everyone doesn’t follow all the rules all the time. Some people won’t be able to comply with mandates. For years, there won’t be sufficient data to make me fee comfortable about my kids getting the shots. Pregnant or breastfeeding women may not if their doctor advises against. There will always be risk.
And yet, we still have laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Should the unvaxxed be scared of the vaxxed? I am vaccinated and have a higher resistance. I am much more likely to transmit the virus unknowingly. In spite of that, the unvaxxed aren’t scared of being around me at all. They are content to live and let live.
2 vaxxed people can still transmit the illness one to the other, although less severe cases. So again, the unvaxxed should be the ones hiding in their basement, but for some reason aren’t.
Yes, but you are 5 times less likely to get it if you are vaxxed. If you are unvaxxed you are putting yourself at greater risk and putting society at greater risk. It wasn’t that long ago that being socially responsible was a conservative value.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
So I will put you down as being against drunk driving laws. Live and let live. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I am not against drunk driving laws. I am against shutting down the country because some people don’t abide by said laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp