Well, if everyone would go ahead and get vaccinated, we could get to herd immunity and not have to worry about shutting down the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
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Well, if everyone would go ahead and get vaccinated, we could get to herd immunity and not have to worry about shutting down the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Like Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I wish we had information on hospitalization with Covid vs because of Covid.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Israel was the first country to get the vaccines out en masse and need to do boosters now.
78% vaccination does not achieve herd immunity for delta variant.
Unfortunately, they mostly used Pfizer which appears to be less durable than Moderna. But even Moderna’s has falloff after 8 months (their latest data shows this).
The fact that there are "breakthrough" cases rules out your "herd immunity" argument. In Israel, 60% of the folks in the hospital a month ago were vaccinated folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Not only that, but variants can come from anywhere. They can come over the porous southern border and moved in the middle of the night to a town/apartment near you. They can come from a vaccinated person who has come into contact with someone in another country as a "breakthrough" case, then distributed freely to the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
This is part of what is causing vaccine hesitancy here in America. The vaccines don't prevent Covid infection. They are not going to get us to herd immunity. They supposedly save your life and keep you from getting very sick (heck, I bought that line and got the vaccine myself), but that is about it. I honestly think that if it were presented that way - and only that way - you'd likely reach the target vaccination rate that still would not give you herd immunity.
The cow left the barn when the dems politicized the virus to cheat in the 2020 election. Now we have to live with the unintended consequences of that.
You are 5 times less likely to get Covid if you are vaccinated, and that is with the delta variant. Breakthroughs are more likely the longer it has been since you were vaccinated. The delta variant didn’t exist and we didn’t have durability at the time the vaccines first came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
An important point of herd immunity - it doesn’t mean you don’t get breakthrough infections. It means that the new transmission chains won’t persist or endure (R0 less than 1 relative to the immunity of the population).
A factor of 100 times for underreporting in VAERS may be too high, but a factor of 5-20 times seems reasonable based on the totalitarian tactics of the pro-vax coalition.
EXCLUSIVE: COVID Whistleblower Claims the VAERS Reporting Database Tracking Vaccine Complications is WRONG and Undercounting by a Factor of 100! (thegatewaypundit.com)
Check out that DO’s social media. MAGA to the max. Clearly politically biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
5 times less likely is not immunity. Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
And the variants will still be coming in from abroad, just like the delta variant.
Breakthrough infections will increase if we don’t start boosting right now. Old people’s vaccines are getting less protective against infection as antibody levels are dropping from the early vaccines. And, yes, we face the issue of foreign variants as long as Covid is spreading anywhere in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Still, the more people that get vaccinated, the more our risks get reduced because it reduces transmission in our communities. Other people’s vaccination reduces your exposure to Covid. Your vaccination (for as long as it is effective) reduces the risk you will get Covid if exposed (and improves your outcomes). It is the combination effect of reduced transmission in the community and your own reduced likelihood of contracting the virus that yield “herd immunity.”
“Yes Sir, what brings you in today?”
“I’m here for my bi-weekly Covid shot.”
This is gonna be great!
And the quality of your individual immunity (and yes it is considered “immunity”) will depend on various factors including which vaccine you got and how long ago you got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
I may slap the shit out of the first man who asks me if I’ve had my 3rd shot. You know that will be the next bar for these idiots
Speaking of boosters and the totally inadequate clinical trials regarding them...
Are you kidding me, Pfizer, volume 1 gazillion - by Alex Berenson - Unreported Truths (substack.com)
"Pfizer basically hasn’t bothered to test the booster AT ALL in the people actually at risk - it conducted a single “Phase 1” trial that covered 12 people over 65. The main Phase 2/3 booster trial (beware efforts to cover multiple “phases” of drug research at once, you want it bad you get it bad) included no one over 55.
No one.
As in NONE."