10/19 Southern Miss Game

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Eagles won the toss and elected to receive. Something about "getting an extra possession in the 1st half"

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And it back-fired!

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Just a side story...Not long ago 2016 or 2017(?) we lost the toss. The other team deferred, and we elected to kick. We ended up kicking off in the 1st and 2nd half. Typical C-USA Refs screwed up by not questioning the decision. Obviously they knew and knew the captain of the day was nervous and screwing up, but they still let it happen. I remember Holtz being very upset about it. Frisco or History may remember the exact details.

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Hawaii. 2010? Dont remember the exact year. What a shitshow of a game.

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

Hawaii. 2010? Dont remember the exact year. What a shitshow of a game.

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That was the one with the like 30 minute review to determine if they had 4 or 5 downs right?

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Originally Posted by BoutThemDawgs

That was the one with the like 30 minute review to determine if they had 4 or 5 downs right?

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I think that was the first red out in 2009 under Dooley

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Originally Posted by BoutThemDawgs

That was the one with the like 30 minute review to determine if they had 4 or 5 downs right?

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Right, and then they got it wrong after all that.

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

Hawaii. 2010? Dont remember the exact year. What a shitshow of a game.

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It was Hawaii 2011. The same one with the 22 min review.

Oh -- and the cash drop from the commish to refs at the start of halftime

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

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I don't agree that "Because you always want the ball to start the 2nd half" is a legitimate reason to take that ENORMOUS risk that early in the game. In fact, on the surface it's a borderline stupid act. That why I thought I would ask if there was a legitimate reason for taking such enormous risk on the very first play of the game. Your answer tells me there's not.

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Originally Posted by eagle2180

We had that opportunity yesterday. We score on the last possession of the half....But we didn’t capitalize on the 1st possession of the 2nd half. We got the win. Why do fans have to question every decision a coach makes? Deferring to the 2nd half is a very common decision. Yes, they scored on the opening kickoff, because of poor execution by a kickoff team.

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Are you just not listening? Have not read my reasons for concern? Did you NOT see the scoreboard after the first 10 seconds?

Geez pal, get a clue. I'm questioning the call because it makes NO DAMN SENSE to give a high powered offense the ball first --and potentially more often-- in a game, especially to a team that has one of the nations best kick return units, like USM's. I don't like seeing my team have to dig themselves out of a 14-0 hole to start a big time conference game. THAT'S WHY! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

In 2016, 82% of nfl teams that won the toss deferred.

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This ain't the NFL. Because of the draft, everybody has pretty equal talent in the NFL.

I'm just curious if any of the 18% of teams who didn't defer to the 2nd half actually go by the name of "New England Patriots"? LOL!!

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

I would think that you could possibly score on the last possession of the half and receive the kickoff to begin the 2nd half. Pretty much standard practice historically for most teams. Statistically I don't know how it works out.

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But there's no guarantee that you're going to have the ball last at the end of the 1st half. And if you don't, that means the other team got more possessions than you did in the first half.

To defer or not. I think it depends on a team's strength. If you have a high-powered offense...take the ball. If you have a great defense...kick off to start the game. Here's why: field position. Most of the time, and by that I mean like 90%+, the receiving team will start that first drop from the 25 or further back. A strong defense can force a 3 and out, and after a typical punt, that team, who kicked off, will start its first drive outside of the 35. Often near its own 40. So! a team with a strong defense, and an average offense benefits from that initial exchange by up to 15 yards of field position.

Of course we could play this out...let's say they fail to get a first down, and punt on 4th and 2 from their own 43. Chances are good that punt will be downed, or fair-catched down around the 15 or even the 10. Now that strong defense has the opposing team backed-up. Second punt gives that team field position somewhere close to the 50. And, so on...

So, the moral of the story is to play to your team's strengths, and try to protect against your weaknesses. Winning the toss gives you that option.

I am just going to state one thing: Holtz coached this game like he coaches Bowl games. THAT is why we won and I am not sure why he doesn't coach every game with the same mind-set.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

"New England Patriots"? LOL!!

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Nope. The Pats almost always defer. I tried to find the stats in college, but haven’t found them yet.

You don’t have to agree that my reasoning is legitimate. It’s a free country and you’re free to be wrong. 😂

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Originally Posted by JuBru

No need for you or anyone else to eat crow. Most of us have been saying that this is how we should have been playing from the start instead of the crap we've been doing. The team that showed up yesterday would have beat Texas, and outscored everyone else by at least 35.

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Really? So all of the previous and constant criticizing, complaining and condemning thru the first six games was actually carefully crafted and intended to be a prophesy of what could be. How dumb of me. I foolishly thought it was a "chicken little" critique of the past, and I completely missed the prediction of a successful future. Please forgive me.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Nope. The Pats almost always defer. I tried to find the stats in college, but haven’t found them yet.

You don’t have to agree that my reasoning is legitimate. It’s a free country and you’re free to be wrong. 😂

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Every single team I know of defers when they win that coin toss. Not making a comment on if it’s a good or bad strategy, I’m just saying they all do it. Everyone of our opponents do it including Grambling.