President Trump

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Well if Putin wanted Trump to win he is stupider than you.

For starters, Trump is standing up to Putin's puppet, Assad, in Syria. We just bombed the chit out of Assad's forces. Trump is also getting NATO to shake off the dust and start acting like a credible organization again. So, Putin effed up!

Of course, those of us with IQs higher than 75 (which excludes most libtards) know Putin/Russia had absolutely ZERO influence on the 2016 election. Krooked Killary lost mostly because she's a vile, lying witch, and people hate her.

Joe Biden, on the other hand (even though he's a goofball), might have beaten Trump in the general election. Oh well....

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Putin doesn't like HRC. She campaigned as a hardline on Syria (imposition of no-fly zone) while Trump was against doing anything about Syria during the campaign. He also campaigned on a new relationship with Russia. Plus, he had to know that Trump's naïveté and impulsiveness could be exploited.

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Originally Posted by RhythmDawg

You have concluded incorrectly. I do not assume that. I have no idea...nor am I going to conjure up an idea without proof.

That's part of your problem. You assume too much.

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So that leaves us back at point A which is what exactly?

Anyway, Obama has no reasonable motive to wire-tap Trump.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Putin doesn't like HRC. She campaigned as a hardline on Syria (imposition of no-fly zone) while Trump was against doing anything about Syria during the campaign. He also campaigned on a new relationship with Russia. Plus, he had to know that Trump's naïveté and impulsiveness could be exploited.

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Wow!

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Putin doesn't like HRC. She campaigned as a hardline on Syria (imposition of no-fly zone) while Trump was against doing anything about Syria during the campaign. He also campaigned on a new relationship with Russia. Plus, he had to know that Trump's naïveté and impulsiveness could be exploited.

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Wow!

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

So that leaves us back at point A which is what exactly?

Anyway, Obama has no reasonable motive to wire-tap Trump.

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I've given it to you twice. Try and keep up.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Wow!

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What part are you surprised by?

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Obama didn't spy or wiretap Trump. That's just another of Trump's lies, like he won the popular vote.

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Didn't you read my post about the FISA Court saying it was a huge abuse of power by the Obama administration spying on people with the use of certain intelligence sources. Susan Rice has already admitted unmasking people in Trump's administration. Obama and Susan Rice and Brennan are going to jail. Muellar is not going to like this at all. This could be the biggest abuse of power in our country's history.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What part are you surprised by?

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I was dizzy after reading it. I had read almost exactly what you posted before, but laughed it off. You are implying that..

-Putin was afraid of Clinton and rigged the election by planting doubt in the mind of union voters in states Hillary never campained in. He also somehow persuaded blacks to not vote.

-Because he feels better about going up against a guy who would appoint real military guys to his staff, but feared Hillary's known record of hard line defense tactics.:laugh:

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Originally Posted by DONW

Didn't you read my post about the FISA Court saying it was a huge abuse of power by the Obama administration spying on people with the use of certain intelligence sources. Susan Rice has already admitted unmasking people in Trump's administration. Obama and Susan Rice and Brennan are going to jail. Muellar is not going to like this at all. This could be the biggest abuse of power in our country's history.

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You need to stop reading WND. The FISA Court didn't say that because it had to approve any search warrant. Susan Rice had every reason to unmask certain individuals and there was nothing illegal about it. Muellar isn't even going to look at it.

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Originally Posted by RhythmDawg

I've given it to you twice. Try and keep up.

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I'll try but you are slippier than a greased pig in a mud hole.

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Originally Posted by DONW

Didn't you read my post about the FISA Court saying it was a huge abuse of power by the Obama administration spying on people with the use of certain intelligence sources. Susan Rice has already admitted unmasking people in Trump's administration. Obama and Susan Rice and Brennan are going to jail. Muellar is not going to like this at all. This could be the biggest abuse of power in our country's history.

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I read the FISA court opinion. It said nothing about Trump or any spying on him. It also did not implicate high level government officials, but said that some agents improperly ran searches on "upstream collections" obtained through internet service providers. In other words - some agents violated rights of American citizens by looking at internet data that ISPs collected on them. While that is troubling, it doesn't remotely suggest the link that WND et al are making to Trump's claim that he was surveilled by Obama.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

I was dizzy after reading it. I had read almost exactly what you posted before, but laughed it off. You are implying that..

-Putin was afraid of Clinton and rigged the election by planting doubt in the mind of union voters in states Hillary never campained in. He also somehow persuaded blacks to not vote.

-Because he feels better about going up against a guy who would appoint real military guys to his staff, but feared Hillary's known record of hard line defense tactics.:laugh:

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Do you disagree with any of the following:

1. HRC campaigned on a no-fly zone in Syria

2. Trump said during the campaign that we should not get involved with Syria

3. That the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the dissemination of the hacked records

4. That the information that came out was negative for HRC

5. That Flynn was one of the first military brass to cast his support behind Trump during the campaign

6. That Flynn had a friendly relationship with Russia.

Because I have tons of evidence for each of these points, and I just need to understand where you got lost.

Obama guaranteed that Trump would never be president. In my 70 years here on earth, I have never heard a sitting president go out and say he would guarantee that someone would not be president. This is Obama's arrogance speaking. Obama never saw himself as president, he saw himself as the king. He knew he could get away with doing anything he wanted to because the crooked press loved him and wouldn't say a thing. He also used the racist line a lot if somebody was critical of him and the press would jump right in there with him. He spied on Trump because he thought he could get away with it. One problem, he didn't expect Trump to fire his man, Comey. He thought since Comey protected Hillary and Hillary was going to win and he wouldn't have to worry about getting caught with his spying. Trump threw another monkey wrench in his plans by winning.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I read the FISA court opinion. It said nothing about Trump or any spying on him. It also did not implicate high level government officials, but said that some agents improperly ran searches on "upstream collections" obtained through internet service providers. In other words - some agents violated rights of American citizens by looking at internet data that ISPs collected on them. While that is troubling, it doesn't remotely suggest the link that WND et al are making to Trump's claim that he was surveilled by Obama.

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Trump has a friendly insider in one of those intelligence agencies that told him about the spying. He wouldn't have tweeted that without a good source. The spying by Obama is a much bigger crime than the Russians hacking the DNC.

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Originally Posted by DONW

Obama guaranteed that Trump would never be president. In my 70 years here on earth, I have never heard a sitting president go out and say he would guarantee that someone would not be president. This is Obama's arrogance speaking. Obama never saw himself as president, he saw himself as the king. He knew he could get away with doing anything he wanted to because the crooked press loved him and wouldn't say a thing. He also used the racist line a lot if somebody was critical of him and the press would jump right in there with him. He spied on Trump because he thought he could get away with it. One problem, he didn't expect Trump to fire his man, Comey. He thought since Comey protected Hillary and Hillary was going to win and he wouldn't have to worry about getting caught with his spying. Trump threw another monkey wrench in his plans by winning.

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He didn't "guarantee" it. I already posted the quote with the context - and it essentially stated that Americans would never vote for him because he was not a serious about the job.

He didn't remotely suggest that he was going to do something to prevent Trump from winning.