Immigration

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Originally Posted by Woof!

I wonder where he got the idea. :icon_wink:

http://i60.tinypic.com/sxmbmo.jpg

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That is true; but they (Reagan and Bush) also had the approval of Congress. Obamma DID NOT have the approval of Congress!!! HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

Step 1: Secure the borders
Step 2: Deport criminals.
Step 3: Review the status for those here legally.

After that, I'm ok with the president's plan except I don't believe anything he says.

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His plan is fine except it doesn't do step 1 (and he needs to pass it legally), and I don't think Democrats want that. They want to make 10 million illegals legal again in 20 years.

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Originally Posted by T1

I think everyone wants reform, but reform means different things to different people. Democrats want it to mean amnesty and Republicans want it to mean close our borders. A compromise would be to close our borders and give amnesty (one last time). I guess. They say it is more difficult than that though.

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Not everyone. Polls show that 68%-85% want immigration reform depending on how the question is asked.

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Originally Posted by Woof!

Not everyone. Polls show that 68%-85% want immigration reform depending on how the question is asked.

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OK, but I think both parties know we have an illegal immigration problem that needs to be addressed and want to address it.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

Step 1: Secure the borders
Step 2: Deport criminals.
Step 3: Review the status for those here legally.

After that, I'm ok with the president's plan except I don't believe anything he says.

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Step 1: Secure the borders

Won't work.

Step 2: Deport criminals.

That is being done, but there is a huge backlog.

Step 3: Review the status for those here legally.

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Originally Posted by T1

OK, but I think both parties know we have an illegal immigration problem that needs to be addressed and want to address it.

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Until the "why" they are immigrating in masses is dealt with, they will come here no matter how hard we make it.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

Until the "why" they are immigrating in masses is dealt with, they will come here no matter how hard we make it.

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The recession has slowed them down a bit. They will leave when we go bankrupt. :)

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Originally Posted by T1

The recession has slowed them down a bit. They will leave when we go bankrupt. :)

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I made that joke before too. :-)

But, our poor economy didn't slow it down a bit.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

I made that joke before too. :-)

But, our poor economy didn't slow it down a bit.

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They say it did.

In 2007, Mexicans living in the U.S. sent about $26 billion to relatives living in Mexico. The amount of remittances dropped to $25 billion in 2008, the first decline since the Central Bank of Mexico started keeping track 14 years ago. In the first nine months of 2009, the Bank reports that only $16.4 billion has been sent south, a 13 percent decline from 2008. Now, there are some signs of an increase in "reverse remittances," in which residents of Mexico wire money to their relatives north of the border to help them through tough times. While still a small fraction of the north-to-south remittance flow, which provides Mexico with its second largest source of foreign income (after oil exports), an uptick in reverse remittances is a striking example of the ripple effects of U.S. job loss.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/how-...ng-immigration

They are still coming at record numbers, though. I don't think they will go back regardless of their economic situation. They are fleeing from drug lords.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

They are still coming at record numbers, though. I don't think they will go back regardless of their economic situation. They are fleeing from drug lords.

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Immigration reform is inextricable from drug law reform.

This is why Latin American drug cartels funnel tens of millions to (ostensibly) conservative Christian PACs and 501c4s to fight drug legalization initiatives and elect anti-legalization politicians.

If we really wanted to dramatically slow the trend illegal immigration, we would legalize narcotics. But nobody in Congress is going to say that because they are bankrolled by special interest groups, who are in turn bankrolled by the cartels, whose way of life depends on a lucrative, violent black market.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

Immigration reform is inextricable from drug law reform.

This is why Latin American drug cartels funnel tens of millions to (ostensibly) conservative Christian PACs and 501c4s to fight drug legalization initiatives and elect anti-legalization politicians.

If we really wanted to dramatically slow the trend illegal immigration, we would legalize narcotics. But nobody in Congress is going to say that because they are bankrolled by special interest groups, who are in turn bankrolled by the cartels, whose way of life depends on a lucrative, violent black market.

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Bingo. I've been waiting for you all my life.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

Bingo. I've been waiting for you all my life.

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You see the same phenomon, albeit on a much smaller scale, anytime a dry city or county/parish has a proposed ordinance or ballot initiative to allow alcohol sales.

The local churches are the ones who distribute the flyers and yard signs and buy air time on the radio station.

But the package store just over the line paid for all of it.

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Originally Posted by Soonerdawg

Hmmm

It was a little more restricted than I was expecting. There were hints it wouldn't be comprehensive.

It will be interesting to see if DUI convictions bar granting the deferral.

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Here's that answer kind of. :icon_roll:


New DHS rules: Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders not top deportation priorities...

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Originally Posted by champion110

Congress has been urged to do something for a long long time - both parties. Nothing has been done. This is needed, but is just a stop gap until they do SOMETHING!

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Originally Posted by T1

Not completely true. The Democrats controlled the White House and Congress in 2008 and 2009 and chose to do nothing and keep it as an issue for the next Congressional elections. Then they lost Congress and Obama wanted to use immigration as an issue for his re-electon. Then he wanted to use it as an issue for Congressional elections this year. Now all elections are over and he wants to unilaterally call the shots. However, that's not his job. He is supposed to only sign or veto the Congressional plan.

Obama has been telling the illegals he wished he could act unilaterally, but that would be unconstitutional and that's not how our democracy works. Now he just said, "Screw it, I'm doing it. What are you going to do about it." Now it will be interesting to see if he gets away with it.

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Yep. Obama is lying again in his speeches. I hope the country nails the spoiled child politically for this.