President Trump

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Originally Posted by JuBru

He's only in this quagmire because of the overly concentrated effort to discredit him at all cost.

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Nope. He is in this mess because of his temperament and actions, especially the actions of his agents.

Have the liberal loonies given up on getting Trump? They've now gone after his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The liberal news rags like CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times are floating Kushner's name out there as being investigated. Is his crime being Jewish? Wasn't there another guy that hated jews about 80 years ago? They will never find anything on Trump or Kushner. Liberals have been searching for something on Trump for over a year and they've found nothing, even with the help of the FBI and CIA. Did anybody notice the arrogance of Brennan when he was interviewed by Trey Gowdy? He tried to beat around the bush and acted like he had something on Trump, but, Gowdy wouldn't let him off. I think Brennan goes down with Obama. This guy is a crook and should never have been in charge of the CIA. Here's five words for you liberals to think about, Obama's legacy is Trump's presidency.

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Originally Posted by DONW

Have the liberal loonies given up on getting Trump? They've now gone after his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The liberal news rags like CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times are floating Kushner's name out there as being investigated. Is his crime being Jewish? They will never find anything on Trump or Kushner. Liberals have been searching for something on Trump for over a year and they've found nothing, even with the help of the FBI and CIA. Did anybody notice the arrogance of Brennan when he was interviewed by Trey Gowdy? He tried to beat around the bush and acted like he had something on Trump, but, Gowdy wouldn't let him off. I think Brennan goes down with Obama. This guy is a crook and should never have been in charge of the CIA.

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Maybe you missed the fact that he is part of the investigation for having pre-election contacts with Russians and for his role in organizing backchannel communications between the campaign and Russia. I don't think they are saying he is a target of the investigation at this time.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Maybe you missed the fact that he is part of the investigation for having pre-election contacts with Russians and for his role in organizing backchannel communications between the campaign and Russia. I don't think they are saying he is a target of the investigation at this time.

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I bet you got this from CNN, MSNBC, and The New York Times.

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Originally Posted by DONW

I bet you got this from CNN, MSNBC, and The New York Times.

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Nope. Reuters. They broke it.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Nope. Reuters. They broke it.

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You are way too easily influenced by these liberal propaganda machines.

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Originally Posted by DONW

You are way too easily influenced by these liberal propaganda machines.

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Reuters is not liberal. Do you read anything other than conservative-based news?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Let's take a trip down memory lane;

http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-t...-spy-alliance/

"Unfortunately, newly-inaugurated President Donald Trump is threatening the whole Western intelligence system with his brusque comments about our spies and worrisome ties to Moscow. For the first time, an American president is causing our allies and partners to wonder if Washington can still be trusted.

As I’ve explained, Trump’s aggressive comments about American spies—mocking them and comparing them to Nazis on Twitter, for example—have generated unprecedented enmity in our Intelligence Community. Going to war with the IC is a bad idea for any new administration, particularly given the new commander-in-chief’s rumored links to Vladimir Putin, which are keeping American spies up at night.

It’s not just Washington that’s worried. Throughout the Western spy alliance, intelligence agencies are pondering the previously unthinkable: Is the American president compromised? On several occasions over the decades, the IC had to reduce spy-links, usually only temporarily, to various partners when a new government contained too many cabinet ministers with Moscow linkages. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s the American government that seems to have a Kremlin problem."

https://www.google.com/amp/observer....n-embassy/amp/

"Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administration—not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trump—that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust.

That the IC has ample grounds for concern is demonstrated by almost daily revelations of major problems inside the White House, a mere three weeks after the inauguration. The president has repeatedly gone out of his way to antagonize our spies, mocking them and demeaning their work, and Trump’s personal national security guru can’t seem to keep his story straight on vital issues."

Plus, there was that other article, I linked that cited non-anonymous ranking intelligence officials talking about Trump's lack of respect with the CIA. We are also now seeing that Kushner and Flynn tried to backchannel the Russians to avoid detection of the IC - another fact that surely gave them reason not to trust Trump.

What you are seeing is a normally functional organization showing signs of dysfunction due to lack of trust with their "leader." Some folks on here have mistaken my making this point with the idea that I support the leaks. I don't necessarily. It sucks that our IC is acting in ways that jeopardize its reputation. But on one hand - without them leaking this stuff, we might never learn about it, and if it is true, we do need to know. I am not calling them heroes, but I think you are doing a misservice to the quality of information that is coming out if you think Trump is being targeted unfairly because these are just a bunch of liberal HRC supporters.

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A whole lot of words that reinforces that there is a concentrated effort to discredit Trump.

I have never said if any of it has been unfair or fair since we don't know anything, yet. We really don't know anything. It is all speculation. Almost all of it being negative, when considering the sources disseminating the information, can and should only have one being skeptical as hell about what is being said. Read it, think about it, but don't form a conclusion based on it. Don't dismiss out of hand, either.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

Nope. He is in this mess because of his temperament and actions, especially the actions of his agents.

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Why not both? That's something everyone else doesn't seem to realize, it can be and most likely is both but people only want to argue one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Maybe you missed the fact that he is part of the investigation for having pre-election contacts with Russians and for his role in organizing backchannel communications between the campaign and Russia. I don't think they are saying he is a target of the investigation at this time.

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It's more about Kushner maybe lying in his background check forms and interviews for a security clearance more than the act itself. Despite what some are trying to say about it now, these type of back-channel connections have been standard procedure for forever in international relations. They're necessary.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

It was covered. But without his participation in press conferences, there was little to upstage his Russia problems at home.

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Again, typical. Let's see....hmmmm.... Trump is kicking ass on his first international trip as Prez...can't have that. I Know! Keep harping on the BS non-story of Russian influence.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Again, typical. Let's see....hmmmm.... Trump is kicking ass on his first international trip as Prez...can't have that. I Know! Keep harping on the BS non-story of Russian influence.

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I wouldn't say that Trump is kicking ass on his first foreign trip. I think a better description would be that he is making an ass of himself.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Well, for starters, the IC is completely convinced that they attempted to tilt the election against HRC and to Trump. They do this in other countries as well.

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Proof? I have significantly more connections to the intelligence community than you and that is a complete falsehood! Where is your proof of that strong statement? You are making an absolute statement of which the intelligence community rarely if ever does much less hints at.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

When it comes to matters of "intelligence" we will likely never be told the facts in enough granularity to satisfy anyone that is willing to maintain doubt. To do so would likely compromise sources and methods.

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Like what Hillary did? She would be in jail quickly if she were in a worker position of handling intelligence. I have seen people do far less to expose intelligence and end up behind bars. To make the claim that the sensitive intelligence didn't have markings is utter disregard for how it is produced. The intelligence of that nature is marked when collected as it gains that level of classification due to the source. There are no exceptions. She not only exposed intelligence but far worse operations. Both of those types of classification require EVERYONE to sign documents that state that the penalty for exposing such.

This whole charade by the democrats to "expose" Trump is an attempt to hide their misdeeds and undermine the administration.

Oh wait! Trump wears his tie too long and looks unpresidential! What will the liberals try next. Wait! Melania was upset with Donald and slapped his hand for exiting the plane first as every other president does by protocol.

Clapper has stated several times under oath that he knows of no collusion between the Trump people and the Russians.

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Originally Posted by WWDog

Like what Hillary did? She would be in jail quickly if she were in a worker position of handling intelligence. I have seen people do far less to expose intelligence and end up behind bars. To make the claim that the sensitive intelligence didn't have markings is utter disregard for how it is produced. The intelligence of that nature is marked when collected as it gains that level of classification due to the source. There are no exceptions. She not only exposed intelligence but far worse operations. Both of those types of classification require EVERYONE to sign documents that state that the penalty for exposing such.

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Criminal statutes that impose sentences of imprisonment have a mens rea requirment, and I think that it was the lack of evidence of her knowledge that the information was classified is what kept charges from being brought against her.

But, I am sure others would have at least lost their jobs under similar circumstances.

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Originally Posted by WWDog

Proof? I have significantly more connections to the intelligence community than you and that is a complete falsehood! Where is your proof of that strong statement? You are making an absolute statement of which the intelligence community rarely if ever does much less hints at.

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Are they leaking to you?

I still don't understand why Trump fired Comey if the Russia investigation is much ado about nothing. Now there is a Special Counsel to look into the matter (and possibly more). Query: Can the FBI take a look at Trump's tax returns?