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Fani Willis involved in a scandal, I'm sure most of you are aware of it all. Just points out what most of us have always known, all the Trump charges are bogus, and it's the "persecutors" Willis, Jack Smith, Bragg, etc...are all in this together under the guidance and leadership of the Biden White House. Again, those of us with an actual IQ knew all of this from the beginning. Any comments from you goofy crowd, arkansasbob, Goosey!? Where are you?
i agree the charges against trump are bogus. the democrats are using their political power to persecute their political adversaries. you guys just can't accept that someone might disagree with you on trump without being a commie. i have never said anything on this forum or elsewhere that would make someone categorize me as communist, but i don't worship trump, so i must be a commie. this is really ridiculous.
trump's ad slogan is also ridiculous. to deny that he's presenting himself as a messiah is just plain bull-headedness.
It confirms your Trump hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
Let me try this, which I and others have posted before, but maybe this will help the anti-Trumpers to better understand what we supporters think. Here goes...
this is NOT about Donald Trump, per se, but rather what he represents as it relates to D.C., "the establishment," the Swamp," whatever you choose to call it. Clearly, and even arkansasbob admits this in his recent post, the Dems and really the GOP establishment, have weaponized the DOJ against a political opponent. If we, as average Americans, allow them to get away with this then we will lose our country. The "republic" is already reeling and we are careening toward a truer "democracy," which is NOT good. America has worked as a great experiment precisely because we are a REPUBLIC, not a true democracy. If necessary I will expand on this, but for now I will assume everyone understands the difference and why that is so critical to our very existence.
On Trump himself. I was never a fan of his prior to his term as POTUS. I voted "for" him in 2016 but I was voting against Krooked Killary. I did not expect much from him as president, just that we kept Ms. Klinton out of the WH. Then, surprise! he actually turned out to be a very good president. The best since Reagan...although I will acknowledge Bill Clinton had a good run with the economy during his tenure...and I, and millions of others, got to know Donald Trump for the first time. His "America first" motto is NOT just a political slogan, he actually means it. He is also right when he says we, true Americans, are the target of the evil left, he just happens to be standing in the way. So, it boils down to this:
1) Trump has already proven, with his first term, he is good for America and the free world.
2) Given how far this country has drifted off course the past 3 years, it will take someone like Trump to get us back on the right path. No wishy-washy RINO will do.
3) Most importantly for ALL OF US! we cannot allow the forces of evil to succeed in dispatching a political opponent by weaponizing the justice system. If that happens, we all lose.
If you have to, hold your nose and vote for Trump, and send a message to those trying to turn this into some "Banana Republic" that those tactics will not work.
I largely agree. I didn't pick Trump; my enemies chose him for me. They attack him to attack me. Therefore, I must support him even if only for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
We tried the nice, clean candidates. They didn't work.
you see, i agree with most of this. my problem is:Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
1) trump did not drain the swamp like he said he would
2) trump gave fauchi and the "health experts" way too much power in making covid policy (i think he did a lot better than any democrat would have done, but several governors handled the situation much better)
3) trump attacks people who should be his allies (much like his fans on this forum)
4) trump did not finish the wall like he said he would
5) trump nominated the justices that overturned roe v wade (great!!) but now claims that moderate pro-lifers are too extreme
6) trump has somehow convinced a lot of people that he is a christian, but he displays no evidence of that, while it's clear he thinks of himself as a messiah
7) trump is so abrasive and abusive that many people who should be his allies go full tds and start supporting progressive policies just to oppose him
8) there are at least two candidates in the republican primary that i think i could trust to do everything that i hope trump would do without making as many unnecessary enemies.
1) Did you think they would go peacefully? I figure they'd probably fight back with unwarranted impeachments, surveillance by swampy three letter bureaucracies, attacks by the friends in the media (generated by carefully chosen leaks), and once out of office they'd probably attack with frivolous lawsuits in courts run by progressive judges to make sure he couldn't do what he promised. Wait, that actually happened, didn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
2) Yep, I agree with this one. Never should have shut the economy down. Conversely, he did manage to work with the right folks to get a "vaccine" developed in record time. Trusting and working with those "health experts" was truly one of his biggest mistakes.
3) Like Mitch McConnell? That would be part of draining the swamp. Don't know who you are speaking about.
4) Takes funding. Funding comes from Congress (unless you are forgiving student loans, apparently). He had to go to court to use the funds he did eventually employ to that purpose, and I don't recall anyone else even talking about our border and a wall as major campaign issues until he brought it up.
5) Abortion is no longer a federal issue since Roe was overturned, thanks to Trump's court appointees. I would not recommend you vote for Trump to be your governor.
6) Hmmm. According to the stuff I've read, that kind of judgement is reserved for an entity at a much higher pay grade than mine.
7) Do they hold their breath as well until they get what they want? Sometimes I wish he'd chill a little bit, but personality is not one of the "issues" that gets me to the polls.
8) I don't see it that way. Besides that, they are writing the playbook right now on how to destroy a candidate. I don't want them to succeed.
1) arguably, he created the environment that made people much more willing to accept the growth in government power and surveillance we have seen in the last three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
2) at least we have some common ground here
3) like ron desantis (whose only sin is running for president against trump). like pro-life people who pass "heartbeat bills". like people who recognize that something needs to be done about the border, but are butt-hurt because trump called them names.
4) we need someone who can get things done, not someone who makes promises we like. trump couldn't get funding for the wall because his behavior turns people away from supporting things they would otherwise support if he were not involved.
5) abortion is a federal issue if congress decides to try passing laws (which the democrats have already started). would trump veto a law that guarantees the "right to reproductive care"? i don't trust him to do that, especially if he's not worried about reelection.
6) i'm not his ultimate judge, but i can judge his words and actions. so can you. it doesn't make much difference to me if our president is christian or not, but i would prefer not to have someone who will use his nominal christianity for political gain while behaving in a way that shows he has no interest in Christ or His kingdom (the same goes for biden, by the way)
7) it affects his ability to get things done, and it is the main reason the 2020 election was even close.
8) i don't know what you're talking about. "they", like me, don't think trump is the best man for the job, so they are working on strategies to beat him in the primary. not sure why it's okay for trump to be vicious, but his opponents can't even strategize against him...
The single biggest issue, as it relates to Trump, is sending a clear message to "The Swamp" that WE THE PEOPLE will not tolerate weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent. People who do not like Trump, for whatever reason they might have, have to vote for Trump and tell the world (The Swamp) that they voted for Trump precisely because of the efforts against Trump. The charges are bogus, the civil trial is bogus, and trying to keep Trump, or any candidate, off of state ballots is very, very unfair and is very dangerous.
Trump 2024!
Send the evil commie bastards the message that their tactics have backfired and so don't ever try such crap again...against any future candidate.
One of the biggest things that I like about Trump is that he exposed the MSM for the Democrat National Committee propaganda machine that they are. They are not principled or unbiased. Many suspected it but he brought it to the surface and they don't even attempt to hide it anymore. They are egotistical pompous frauds.
I also like the fact that he did build hundreds of miles of wall. Yes it wasn't finished but he was fought every step of the way by both Democrats and Establishment Republicans.
The world was much safer during a Trump admin than it is now.
Yes, the world was much safer and better under Trump. But, the bad guys have become emboldened, and they won't slink back under their rocks just because Trump is elected in November. It will take action, MILITARY action, to put that genie back into the bottle. One of the YouTubers, a Ukranian, is concerned that if Trump is elected the US will abandon Ukraine. It is true Trump's rhetoric sounds like he thinks Putin is a "good guy" and that Putin can be reasoned with. Trump says that war would never have happened if he was president. Probably. But, the war has happened, and Putin must be dealt with. Putin is an international, wanted criminal. There can be NO reasoning with him now.
Trump built "the Quads" to oppose the Chicoms. It worked! Japan, India, and Australia joined with us to stand against China's bullying. In our absence, Japan and Australia took over the lead. Putin/Russia needs to be hammered into submission and Xi and the Chicoms need to be put in their place. Yo Xi, join the world as a peaceful member. There is no reason to be on a war-footing.
Anyway, Trump needs to watch what he says about Putin and Xi. The world hangs on every word he says. Stop saying "I get along with President Putin, I get along with President Xi." They are both evil POS and are the enemy of the free world. Sure, diplomacy is better than a shooting war. And yes, we should always exhaust "talking" before we consider firing a shot in a war. But don't elevate them to a status of "great world leaders." They are not great at anything but causing trouble for the world.
Trump is right about this, he says the "other side" is using Haley, and even DeSantis, as tools to try to undermine his campaign. They are orchestrating a notion that Trump is not electable in the general election, but Haley especially, and maybe even DeSantis, are vs. Biden. Don't fall for this ruse. As Trump said last night, Haley is being used by the left and the RINOs and the Deep State to fool GOP voters into thinking she is a good alternative. If it were to work, in the primaries, and Trump was out of the way, the left and their puppets in the lamestream media would turn on Haley so fast your head would swim! She would be cast as some "evil bitch" who would want to starve your kids, etc.
I see, including here on this board, so-called "conservatives" who have fallen for that deception. Trump, they say, is not electable, we need to support a RINO who can beat Biden and the dems. Look at all the "baggage" Trump carriers, there would be a huge anti-Trump vote, from even those who don't like Biden. Well, there will be such a vote because the low-IQ crowd and the silly gullible crowd are incapable of rational thought and reasoning. But! between Haley getting the GOP nomination, in July, and the November general election, they would turn on Haley and paint her as "dangerous" as Trump and then you goofy so-called "conservatives" would be left with a weak-ass candidate like McCain or Romney and watch Biden get re-elected.
Like I said, Haley is the new Liz Chaney. She HATES Trump along with the other deep state RINOS.
DeSantis, IMO is there "in case" the haters win their corrupt battle. DeSantis is one of he good guys. Haley is part of the existing problem.
Scott Adams on what is wrong with "everything" ..... nails it IMO.
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays
I finally figured out what's wrong with "everything."
It's a system problem. The introduction of Trump into the system(s) broke almost everything, and in multiple ways.
The fake news created a White Supremacist hysteria, which led to the Fine People Hoax and the George Floyd Hoax, which led to massive DEI, which led to massive systemic incompetence in all of our systems at once.
Add wokeness and cancelation and we can't discuss the issue, much less fix it. That's a system problem. The corrective mechanism (free speech) has been removed.
On top of that, the Trump experience has made it clear all of our government systems are corrupt. They probably always were, but as long as we didn't notice, things limped along okay.
Now we notice.
Now we don't accept "the science" we know is corrupt. We don't accept the omnibus bills we know are corrupt. We don't accept the foreign wars that look sketchy. We don't accept elections we can't fully audit. We don't trust the news, for good reason. We don't trust our intel services to not be agents of one party. And we see the justice departments weaponized.
While all that happened Soros found a way to take control of all American systems via funding of non-government entities and integrating them into the American systems.
But at the head of the snake is the fake news and fake science. There is no correcting mechanism.
The X platform is the only counterforce, and that's why the crooks are trying to take it out, and Musk at the same time.