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The vast majority of illegal immigrants did not come here illegally. But, in any case, those that are here illegally generally prefer to remain here rather than risk jeopardizing their ability to stay here by trying to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Here is you a conservative source on the subject:Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washi...l-immigration/
I find that people are pretty consistent and predictable with how they act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Saying a person that CHOSE to ignore, and continues to ignore, our immigration laws is otherwise some angelic law-abiding citizen is pretty unbelievable. To be here they have to work, and to work you need a social security number (or current green card) and to pay taxes. So, either they are using a social security number they've gotten from somewhere illegally (this is identity theft) or they are working “under the table” and not paying taxes, which is also illegal. The tax thing was enough to put Al Capone in Alcatraz.
Sanctuary cities are full of illegals that have committed other crimes, that's why they are there.
Every day they wake up and decide to not leave, they are further deciding to break our laws.
If they thought they could get away with it, they would go cast their vote in a heartbeat. In California, I bet you would find thousands that have done just that. Probably lots of other places as well.
In the mean time, there are people overseas filling out the proper paperwork and waiting in line for their opportunity, and these are the people that will follow our laws and assimilate into our society once they get here. Their behavior has proven this.
Because the reward is FAR greater.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
I didn’t say they were “angelic” just that if they aren’t paying taxes why would they vote and risk getting caught? How does that serve their interest?
You ever drive over the speed limit? Round a number here or there on your taxes? Does that mean you're a criminal? In some ways, I suppose it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Now, imagine you have a family that has become "illegal". You are from a country that is perilous and seriously lacks opportunity. Do you take your kids back to that cess pool and apply for re-entry or do you figure out how to work in order to feed those kids and give them an opportunity you never had?
And, as far as taxes go, everybody pays sales taxes. Those are the bulk of the taxes that anyone who makes the kind of money undocumented immigrants make pays.
A cess pool????? Is that the same thing as a s%$# hole?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I am offended.
It’s hypothetical. How do you answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Always round up on taxes paid. Those silver plated bracelets don’t fit these wrists.
I was told about a month or so ago (during the manufactured crisis of the week) that calling another nation a poop hole - a genre shared with a cess pool - was racist and insensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Same countries.
To be honest, I try to not break any laws because I do not want to suffer the consequences. I would never bring a gun into either Canada or Mexico, and I would not immigrate to either without all of the proper paperwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I would work to make myself an asset to whatever country I decided was better than where I lived, learn their language beforehand so I would not stand out an an outsider, and figure out the best way to legally get there as fast as possible. I would never risk being locked up abroad, and not understanding their language and culture, because my survival would be threatened.
For these same reasons, I do not cheat on my taxes or knowingly exceed the speed limit (I have accidentally found myself going over a few times).
Don't you think some of the folks who come here understand the risks and they choose to come anyway? Why would they do that? Statistically, it's not because they are anymore "criminal" than the average American and they are less "violently criminal" than US natives. So what gives? Is it possible that their current situation is so bad that it's a good gamble for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Oh, I fully understand why THEY come here. Trump described their countries very well, and I understand they are desperate to get away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
But I also understand that we have borders and laws to protect them for a reason. I may feel sorry for those folks, but how much better have I made anything if I just ignore our borders and laws and allow anyone to enter at any time with no repercussions at all. There is a way to become an American citizen, and a way to come and stay here legally, and I expect those laws to be followed and enforced just like the rest of the laws we have.
If Mueller discovers that Trump did something illegal, I am certain you will view whatever law he may have broken from his perspective and beg for leniency, right?
I guess another question you could ask is this: if non-violent undocumented aliens who came here legally and overstayed their visas are not deported, how much worse have you made things? Believe me, there are repercussions for being an undocumented alien that you and I will never fully appreciate.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
We have a border and we have laws. Our border is porous and our immigration system is clunky and inefficient and those two things have led to the massive numbers of "illegals" we see now. A vast majority of them are doing jobs that Americans either don't want or are too lazy to perform themselves. Every effort to create a path toward legality for these folks has been shot down by people who stand to gain by the convenient boogie man undocumented aliens present.
You've got a very absolute view of the law (some, not me of course, might call it pharisaical). I already assume Trump breaks laws just as I do from time to time (ignorance is no excuse...in speeding for example). How I evaluate whatever Mueller may find will depend entirely on the severity of the crime. If you remember, I was one who thought Trump's invitation to hack Hillary was in jest. Was it foolish? Perhaps. Is it collusion evidence? Not by a long shot.