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Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom

Almost by default our record will be better next season. We will be playing 3 schools who were FCS schools this season. We will be playing 3 schools with new head coaches. Plus 2 schools not included in these groups who had losing seasons this year.

Plus year 2 of Sonny's version of the Air Raid offense should show improvement after showing very little improvement in year 1. The defense should improve dramatically in year 2 as well. Actually almost impossible to get worse. Plus if you are to believe the apologists the defensive scheme is so complex it can not be taught in only one season, so the defense should produce much better results. Just imagine a defense so complex it takes players over a year to learn it. These FCS schools and schools with new head coaches won't know what hit them.

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So, by default based on the lesser teams and off balance programs Tech is playing next season we should at least be looking at a 6-6 year or maybe even 8-4. And then when we throw in an upset here and there since we’re definitely overdue to beat someone we’re not supposed to 10-2 should be about right. That sounds doable, so let’s do that :).

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Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg

So, by default based on the lesser teams and off balance programs Tech is playing next season we should at least be looking at a 6-6 year or maybe even 8-4. And then when we throw in an upset here and there since we’re definitely overdue to beat someone we’re not supposed to 10-2 should be about right. That sounds doable, so let’s do that :).

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I was thinking more like 4-8 or 5-7. But 8-4 or 10-2 sounds much better.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

All this was just icing on the cake for me. I stopped caring when our President and his horrible hire AD stopped caring about our gameday atmosphere for football.

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1063.

Tech will never see a Willie Roaf or a Kenneth Dixon type athlete play four years in Ruston. Those days are long gone now. At best we will become a farm team for lower level P5 programs. So far I haven’t watched a single bowl game this year, and it’s doubtful that I ever watch another live college football game in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by SicemDawgz

Tech will never see a Willie Roaf or a Kenneth Dixon type athlete play four years in Ruston. Those days are long gone now. At best we will become a farm team for lower level P5 programs. So far I haven’t watched a single bowl game this year, and it’s doubtful that I ever watch another live college football game in my lifetime.

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I agree with the farm team analogy. College football has always been a farm league, but now it is actually broken down from AAA to low A. There won't be nearly as many NFL guys who slip through the cracks in FCS and G5. The whole "education" thing has been exposed for years, but now it's like..."Look we exist to make money. Verb conjugation and simple math skills are over rated."

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Originally Posted by techman05

Is this the one time we can say that capitalism isn’t the answer?

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I don't view it as capitalism -

Capitalism is PROFESSIONAL SPORTS

NOT collegiate athletics

This SHOULD NOT BE A PAY FOR PLAY

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

I agree with the farm team analogy. College football has always been a farm league, but now it is actually broken down from AAA to low A. There won't be nearly as many NFL guys who slip through the cracks in FCS and G5. The whole "education" thing has been exposed for years, but now it's like..."Look we exist to make money. Verb conjugation and simple math skills are over rated."

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Isn't the primary goal of any reputable university to field a competitive football team?

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

I don't view it as capitalism -

Capitalism is PROFESSIONAL SPORTS

NOT collegiate athletics

This SHOULD NOT BE A PAY FOR PLAY

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That's because we are in a weird period of transition.

We had pay for play before, it was just underground, you had to be careful, and there it was harder to transfer and play right away.

Now it's a weird hybrid where you still aren't supposed to be paying for play, but the thing everyone always knew would happen has happened - come to my school and Joe Bob's Motors will give you a no-show job for a million bucks. The schools aren't loving it either (even the rich ones) because oddly enough when it had to be under the table the school itself still had a little more control in the matter. Now the schools have less control, and the people in charge don't love that.

But I don't think it will go on forever. It'll have to seek it's own level, and that may be what all of us G5 have-nots fear (what is outlined above) but we were always going to get screwed in these matters no matter what. We were before, we will be in whatever becomes the new status quo as well. The rich always get richer. But the hope for NIL to fall back into some manner of control is probably just facing reality and acknowledging that football players are every bit as much employees of the school as GRAs or GTAs or the guy working in the food court or writing tickets. And then - if they get some anti-trust help or (from the other side) some ability to collectively bargain - they may be able to put some parameters around the NIL inducements and/or the transfer process.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

That's because we are in a weird period of transition.

We had pay for play before, it was just underground, you had to be careful, and there it was harder to transfer and play right away.

Now it's a weird hybrid where you still aren't supposed to be paying for play, but the thing everyone always knew would happen has happened - come to my school and Joe Bob's Motors will give you a no-show job for a million bucks. The schools aren't loving it either (even the rich ones) because oddly enough when it had to be under the table the school itself still had a little more control in the matter. Now the schools have less control, and the people in charge don't love that.

But I don't think it will go on forever. It'll have to seek it's own level, and that may be what all of us G5 have-nots fear (what is outlined above) but we were always going to get screwed in these matters no matter what. We were before, we will be in whatever becomes the new status quo as well. The rich always get richer. But the hope for NIL to fall back into some manner of control is probably just facing reality and acknowledging that football players are every bit as much employees of the school as GRAs or GTAs or the guy working in the food court or writing tickets. And then - if they get some anti-trust help or (from the other side) some ability to collectively bargain - they may be able to put some parameters around the NIL inducements and/or the transfer process.

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What will happen and will happen pretty quickly is that Uncle Sam will get involved. So much NIL money going around now it’s inevitable.

What ultimately brought down the mob wasn’t the FBI it was the IRS. I’m sure Louisiana and the USA want their share of G Gordon’s “advertising” money.

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Originally Posted by inudesu

That's because we are in a weird period of transition.

We had pay for play before, it was just underground, you had to be careful, and there it was harder to transfer and play right away.

Now it's a weird hybrid where you still aren't supposed to be paying for play, but the thing everyone always knew would happen has happened - come to my school and Joe Bob's Motors will give you a no-show job for a million bucks. The schools aren't loving it either (even the rich ones) because oddly enough when it had to be under the table the school itself still had a little more control in the matter. Now the schools have less control, and the people in charge don't love that.

But I don't think it will go on forever. It'll have to seek it's own level, and that may be what all of us G5 have-nots fear (what is outlined above) but we were always going to get screwed in these matters no matter what. We were before, we will be in whatever becomes the new status quo as well. The rich always get richer. But the hope for NIL to fall back into some manner of control is probably just facing reality and acknowledging that football players are every bit as much employees of the school as GRAs or GTAs or the guy working in the food court or writing tickets. And then - if they get some anti-trust help or (from the other side) some ability to collectively bargain - they may be able to put some parameters around the NIL inducements and/or the transfer process.

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Nothing embraces the spirit of "amateur" athletics more than the prospect of one side bringing their paid mercenaries (who may be on the other side next year) to face another group of paid mercenaries on the gridiron.

It might as well be Dollar General financing a team to play against Dollar Tree. The university is just a logo.

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Originally Posted by techman05

Is this the one time we can say that capitalism isn’t the answer?

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It was supposed to be all about AMATEUR athletics. That's what has been lost in all this.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

It was supposed to be all about AMATEUR athletics. That's what has been lost in all this.

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I miss that. I argued for a long time that scholarships should only be academic. I know plenty of schools deliberately stack classes so players they are academically challenged can stay eligible. However, the school could implement academic standards that are more strenuous if they wanted and require that all students meet them. Maybe, eventually, schools can implement rules that NIL money has to be offset by scholarship money reductions.

The all mighty wanting to be even mightier and lawyers eventually destroy everything.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

It was supposed to be all about AMATEUR athletics. That's what has been lost in all this.

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HD, your a sales guy that is well connected at La Tech. Can you head up a NIL collective? Convince alumni they are wasting money donating to LTAC and the athletic department. Donate to the collective instead. We should be able to draw some top talent with the NIL and transfer portal if we can divert a few million from LTAC. Get us a good QB and some OL and DL we should dominate CUSA.

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Originally Posted by eagle2180

HD, your a sales guy that is well connected at La Tech. Can you head up a NIL collective? Convince alumni they are wasting money donating to LTAC and the athletic department. Donate to the collective instead. We should be able to draw some top talent with the NIL and transfer portal if we can divert a few million from LTAC. Get us a good QB and some OL and DL we should dominate CUSA.

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I love it when a man steps up to initiate meaningful discussion (instead if bitchin & blamin) .
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