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11-25-2013, 10:54 AM
T1

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2 Dooley players who made a difference:
1. Adrien Cole
2. Phillip Livas

2 Dykes players who made a difference:
1. Quinton Patton
2. Kenneth Dixon

Who are going to be the Holtz studs?
1. Xavier Woods
2. ? (hopefully a QB... we are due)
11-25-2013, 10:58 AM
boxerdog

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Originally Posted by T1

2 Dooley players who made a difference:
1. Adrien Cole
2. Phillip Livas

2 Dykes players who made a difference:
1. Quinton Patton
2. Kenneth Dixon

Who are going to be the Holtz studs?
1. Xavier Woods
2. ? (hopefully a QB... we are due)

Pretty sure Ray Holley and Myles White were difference makers as well.
11-25-2013, 11:30 AM
Dwayne From Minden

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Colby Cameron
Ryan Allen
Matt Nelson
11-25-2013, 12:19 PM
T.Alexander32

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Originally Posted by T1

I don't think there was a HUGE difference between Bicknell and Dooley's coaching styles. The main problem with 2006 was that we only had 2 players returning from the 2005 defense and we gave up 42 points per game in 2006. Dooley inherited 10 returning starters on defense and improved to 30 points per game in 2007. The offensive production was about the same.... a slight improvement in 2007 (from 19 pts per game to 21 pts per game).

The change from Dooley to Dykes was a lot more drastic than from Bicknell to Dooley. The biggest difference b/t Dooley and Bicknell was that Bicknell liked the JUCOs and Dooley did not.

T1 I was on that 06 team and it had everything to do with coaching. You have no idea what your talking about sir. IT WAS A JOKE, It was a mess, NO college athlete should have to go through what we went through during 2006.
11-25-2013, 12:29 PM
T1

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Originally Posted by T.Alexander32

T1 I was on that 06 team and it had everything to do with coaching. You have no idea what your talking about sir. IT WAS A JOKE, It was a mess, NO college athlete should have to go through what we went through during 2006.

I remember it well too. No fan should have to go through that either. But we just did it again this year.
11-25-2013, 12:50 PM
T.Alexander32

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Originally Posted by T1

I remember it well too. No fan should have to go through that either. But we just did it again this year.

Haha guess you are right about that, I have never looked at it from a fan's perspective.
11-25-2013, 01:32 PM
Cal&Ken

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Originally Posted by T1

I remember it well too. No fan should have to go through that either. But we just did it again this year.

The worst part of watching this year is knowing we will not make a change and we will endure at least 1 more year of the same. Even if they make a change after next year, it will be too late. Your man has truly sucked the life out of this program- all in one short year.
11-25-2013, 01:53 PM
T1

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

The worst part of watching this year is knowing we will not make a change and we will endure at least 1 more year of the same. Even if they make a change after next year, it will be too late. Your man has truly sucked the life out of this program- all in one short year.

Not my man. I just know the hand he was dealt and I anticipated this season. Many were expecting no drop off and are stunned at what a rebuilding year looks like, so he gets the blame for it. My not blaming him should not be construed as supporting him. I'm just willing to give him more time. If we fired him right now, the next guy would still be dealing with the same stuff he's dealing with and y'all would want him fired too. (Wow, I'm already defending the next coach!)
11-25-2013, 02:10 PM
mildawg

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Originally Posted by T1

Not my man. I just know the hand he was dealt and I anticipated this season. Many were expecting no drop off and are stunned at what a rebuilding year looks like, so he gets the blame for it. My not blaming him should not be construed as supporting him. I'm just willing to give him more time. If we fired him right now, the next guy would still be dealing with the same stuff he's dealing with and y'all would want him fired too. (Wow, I'm already defending the next coach!)

You're on here arguing with everyone who posts anything negative about Skip, and you have been for the past 6 or 7 weeks. For 16 hours a day. Seven days a week. Seriously. And he's not your man? I know husbands and wives that wouldn't go to the lengths to which you've gone in his defense. Yes, we have some positions lacking talent. Yes, Skip would be a better coach with great players. Everyone gets it. But all the hypotheticals and blame of Dykes don't change the fact that the Skipster is not a good HC. One of these days you'll realize it just like the rest of us did in week 2. On the bright side, you might pass Champion110 in total number of posts by the time it all sinks in.
11-25-2013, 02:15 PM
T.Alexander32

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Originally Posted by mildawg

You're on here arguing with everyone who posts anything negative about Skip, and you have been for the past 6 or 7 weeks. For 16 hours a day. Seven days a week. Seriously. And he's not your man? I know husbands and wives that wouldn't go to the lengths to which you've gone in his defense. Yes, we have some positions lacking talent. Yes, Skip would be a better coach with great players. Everyone gets it. But all the hypotheticals and blame of Dykes don't change the fact that the Skipster is not a good HC. One of these days you'll realize it just like the rest of us did in week 2. On the bright side, you might pass Champion110 in total number of posts by the time it all sinks in.

Yep week 2 did it for me hahahahahaha, I just was not sold on the guy after what happened at USF
11-25-2013, 02:17 PM
T1

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Originally Posted by mildawg

You're on here arguing with everyone who posts anything negative about Skip, and you have been for the past 6 or 7 weeks. For 16 hours a day. Seven days a week. Seriously. And he's not your man? I know husbands and wives that wouldn't go to the lengths to which you've gone in his defense. Yes, we have some positions lacking talent. Yes, Skip would be a better coach with great players. Everyone gets it. But all the hypotheticals and blame of Dykes don't change the fact that the Skipster is not a good HC. One of these days you'll realize it just like the rest of us did in week 2. On the bright side, you might pass Champion110 in total number of posts by the time it all sinks in.

Maybe I just think it's fun arguing with idiots. Nah, I like talking Tech football. I just don't think Skip is our only problem. He could be a terrible coach, but this isn't his first gig, so you have to look at the full picture before making hasty decisions.
11-25-2013, 02:21 PM
johnnylightnin

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Originally Posted by T1

Many were expecting no drop off and are stunned at what a rebuilding year looks like, so he gets the blame for it.

Like who? I don't know ANYONE who expected no drop off.
11-25-2013, 02:25 PM
Guisslapp

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Funny thing is that what Cal fans seem to be most disappointed in, other than their 1-11 record, is the lack of noticeable improvement throughout the year.
11-25-2013, 02:43 PM
johnnylightnin

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Originally Posted by T1

I don't think there was a HUGE difference between Bicknell and Dooley's coaching styles. The main problem with 2006 was that we only had 2 players returning from the 2005 defense and we gave up 42 points per game in 2006. Dooley inherited 10 returning starters on defense and improved to 30 points per game in 2007. The offensive production was about the same.... a slight improvement in 2007 (from 19 pts per game to 21 pts per game).

The change from Dooley to Dykes was a lot more drastic than from Bicknell to Dooley. The biggest difference b/t Dooley and Bicknell was that Bicknell liked the JUCOs and Dooley did not.

Their styles may have been similar, but what about effectiveness? What about the culture? I have never believed that Dooley was a great coach, but Dooley came in and changed the culture. He talked to Reneau in ways that no one has ever talked to him. He was the catalyst behind the schedules that Dykes and Holtz inherited. The way you present it, we were just in a natural cycle and we would've had the same success regardless who the coach was. I think that's crazy (so do any number of schools who pay good money for coaches…why pay Skip 500K when we can get a guy like Bicknell or Berry for 200K?).

You mentioned elsewhere that it would be good for our psyche to fire Holtz. Sometimes, just the psyche is a good enough reason. You saw the numbers at our last 2 home games. Soon LTAC will take a hit. As long as we are wise with our hire, we will come out ahead financially.
11-25-2013, 02:45 PM
mildawg

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Funny thing is that what Cal fans seem to be most disappointed in, other than their 1-11 record, is the lack of noticeable improvement throughout the year.

And they would be right. I think SD's out of a job in a year.

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