Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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PawDawg
People back then had no idea what/where their 6xgreat grand parent came from. The small town neighbors certainly didn't know and it is VERY unlikely that her ancestors even came from Oklahoma. Oklahoma was not settled until the late 1800s. Keep in mind, if she had an indian ancestor it would have been at LEAST 80 years before and possibly over 150 years, but you keep believing that she knew about her ancestors. Most anybody else her age (now days) can look up lineage and find out EXACTLY who their ancestors were, where they lived, and where they are buried. She can't.
I would wager that Warren didn’t know how many generations back her Native American ancestor was. But it isn’t surprising that her or her mom would have some oral family stories about it. And if her paternal grandparents were racist towards Native Americans, it isn’t outside reasonable possibility that her mom could have found out about their racism when she (or Warren’s dad) shared her family heritage with them.
These are things that could come up when talking about family history, especially in Oklahoma.
But, I am seeing you have nothing on any actual lies. Oh well.
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Guisslapp
I would wager that Warren didn’t know how many generations back her Native American ancestor was. But it isn’t surprising that her or her mom would have some oral family stories about it. And if her paternal grandparents were racist towards Native Americans, it isn’t outside reasonable possibility that her mom could have found out about their racism when she (or Warren’s dad) shared her family heritage with them.
These are things that could come up when talking about family history, especially in Oklahoma.
But, I am seeing you have nothing on any actual lies. Oh well.
Do you really believe she did not know her family tree? My grandparents and great grandparents did and they were both much older than Warren's parents. It's funny how democrats like to play the dumb card when they can claim ignorance instead of being caught in a lie.
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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PawDawg
Do you really believe she did not know her family tree? My grandparents and great grandparents did and they were both much older than Warren's parents. It's funny how democrats like to play the dumb card when they can claim ignorance instead of being caught in a lie.
You also said this: “People back then had no idea what/where their 6xgreat grand parent came from.“
I am not sure which of your statements you actually believe. No, I don’t think she would have know how many generations prior was fullblood Native American. I certainly wouldn’t have known prior to the Internet ancestry resources.
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
I'm gone 1 week and Guisslapp still believes lying Warren?
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TYLERTECHSAS
I'm gone 1 week and Guisslapp still believes lying Warren?
Believe what?
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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Guisslapp
You also said this: “People back then had no idea what/where their 6xgreat grand parent came from.“
I am not sure which of your statements you actually believe. No, I don’t think she would have know how many generations prior was fullblood Native American. I certainly wouldn’t have known prior to the Internet ancestry resources.
Try to keep up. In 1930 the po dunk Oklahoma neighbors had no idea her GGGGGGGGGGGrandmother was an indian. In 2016 when Warren doubled down on her lies, it was easy for her to prove her heritage. She still can't prove it and it is EASY to do so.
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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PawDawg
Try to keep up. In 1930 the po dunk Oklahoma neighbors had no idea her GGGGGGGGGGGrandmother was an indian. In 2016 when Warren doubled down on her lies, it was easy for her to prove her heritage. She still can't prove it and it is EASY to do so.
So have you found a quote saying her grandmother was full blooded NA from then or are you just making up statements she made back then?
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Do you have a quote where she said her grandmother was not a full blooded NA? Please produce that quote.
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dawg80
Do you have a quote where she said her grandmother was not a full blooded NA? Please produce that quote.
As far as I can tell she didn’t know which ancestor was full blooded NA.
Megan Smolenyak - an award winning professional geneologist - had the following to say:
"Many more Americans believe they have Native ancestry than actually do (we always suspected this, but can now confirm it through genetic testing)," said Smolenyak in an email. "In fact, in terms of wide-spread ancestral myths, this is one of the top two (the other being those who think their names were changed at Ellis Island). And someone who hails from Oklahoma would be even more prone to accept a tale of Native heritage than most."
She added: "There's also a tendency to accept what our relatives (especially our elders) tell us."
As for Warren, "I can't confirm or refute Cherokee heritage without extensive research," she said. "All I can say is that Ms. Warren's scenario is a wildly common one -- minus the public scrutiny, of course."
After reading the Boston Globe’s report that proves that she did not get any advantage for claiming NA heritage, this whole thing looks like a right wing faux controversy against someone that has a very common lack of understanding of their family genealogy.
But I am sure Warren has told some lies somewhere about something. If you find them, post them!
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
:bomb: Yep they continue to lie, cheat and steal no matter the cause. Could be totally innocent but I 95% doubt it.
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Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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Guisslapp
As far as I can tell she didn’t know which ancestor was full blooded NA.
Megan Smolenyak - an award winning professional geneologist - had the following to say:
"Many more Americans believe they have Native ancestry than actually do (we always suspected this, but can now confirm it through genetic testing)," said Smolenyak in an email. "In fact, in terms of wide-spread ancestral myths, this is one of the top two (the other being those who think their names were changed at Ellis Island). And someone who hails from Oklahoma would be even more prone to accept a tale of Native heritage than most."
She added: "There's also a tendency to accept what our relatives (especially our elders) tell us."
As for Warren, "I can't confirm or refute Cherokee heritage without extensive research," she said. "All I can say is that Ms. Warren's scenario is a wildly common one -- minus the public scrutiny, of course."
After reading the Boston Globe’s report that proves that she did not get any advantage for claiming NA heritage, this whole thing looks like a right wing faux controversy against someone that has a very common lack of understanding of their family genealogy.
But I am sure Warren has told some lies somewhere about something. If you find them, post them!
The bolded part cracks me up. She was listed as a woman of color at Harvard. She wrote a recipe for a book called pow wow chow where she listed herself as Cherokee. Case closed.
My family is from Wichita Falls which is less than an hour south of Oklahoma. My mother always said we had some Cherokee blood, but I never claimed to be native American. Having gone through a family tree not long ago I can't find any evidence that we had a Native American in the tree anywhere. I wasn't able to go back 10 generations though.
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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dawg80
Do you have a quote where she said her grandmother was not a full blooded NA? Please produce that quote.
Still waiting on that quote.
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detltu
The bolded part cracks me up. She was listed as a woman of color at Harvard. She wrote a recipe for a book called pow wow chow where she listed herself as Cherokee. Case closed.
My family is from Wichita Falls which is less than an hour south of Oklahoma. My mother always said we had some Cherokee blood, but I never claimed to be native American. Having gone through a family tree not long ago I can't find any evidence that we had a Native American in the tree anywhere. I wasn't able to go back 10 generations though.
That is how Harvard characterized her and the recipe book characterized her. That is not the same thing as her claiming to be those things herself. For all any of us know she claimed herself as being a descendant from a Cherokee, and well her dna doesn’t exactly refute that. So saying that she lied without knowing exactly what she said is still illogical.
Now, we do know of many Trump lies that he has told but Republicans don’t say boo about those, do they?
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dawg80
Still waiting on that quote.
https://youtu.be/RHzbdZuVyAM
Re: Why Must Democrats Tell Lie?
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dawg80
Do you have a quote where she said her grandmother was not a full blooded NA? Please produce that quote.
I know you get easily lost in details, but if you go back and look at what was the subject of the debate for her 2012 Senate election, where her oppnent stirred this up, she had not identified any specific ancestor that was full blooded.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...tive-american/
“Now the Herald has some actual substance on the candidate’s claims: Warren’s great-great-great grandmother on her mother’s side was Cherokee, making Warren—provided the genealogist didn’t miss anything—1/32 Native American if her great-great-great grandmother was full-blooded (that’s unclear).”
Notice the “if” part of that statement. In 2012. In 2012, the subject was her 3x great grandmother on maternal side, NOT her grandmother (2 generations removed). She said that it was her grandfather (not the grandmother) that had the “high cheekbones”.
