What is Systemic Racism?

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

How many BLM peeps do you know?

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A few I'm guessing. It's not a litmus test for blackness so I don't qualify them by asking for their membership card.

How many do you know and how do you know they care about black on black crime as much as 1 in 1000 cops being bad?

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Originally Posted by glm47

No I haven’t. I know it doesn’t have anything to do with caring about black lives.

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Black lives matter is an affirmation of the intrinsic value of black human life - that is not worth less than any other human life - to state systems that systemically treat it as less and to those that feel disempowered and dehumanized by such state systems.

And “state systems” includes the state’s failure to value black victims of black on black crime the same as white crime victims.

You guys are trying to be obtuse to avoid acknowledging that the system is unjust.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

A few I'm guessing. It's not a litmus test for blackness so I don't qualify them by asking for their membership card.

How many do you know and how do you know they care about black on black crime as much as 1 in 1000 cops being bad?

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So you haven’t talked to them about it?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And “state systems” includes the state’s failure to value black victims of black on black crime the same as white crime victims.

You guys are trying to be obtuse to avoid acknowledging that the system is unjust.

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We’ve already addressed it. You choose to ignore it because you’re a far left loon.

Everyone is a victim of something. Being a victim is not exclusive. It’s how you deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And “state systems” includes the state’s failure to value black victims of black on black crime the same as white crime victims.

You guys are trying to be obtuse to avoid acknowledging that the system is unjust.

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The black perps are being prosecuted for black on black crime, but that's a failure to value the victims? I'm sure you'll come up with some bogus stats showing how they serve a longer or more harsh sentence when they kill a white than when they kill a black. You are the obtuse one by thinking the USA should be more like socialist failures.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

So you haven’t talked to them about it?

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Speaking of far left loons. Another one has flown back into view.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

So you haven’t talked to them about it?

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Please tell me what they say about it.

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Originally Posted by glm47

Speaking of far left loons. Another one has flown back into view.

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How many of your black friends have you talked to about BLM and the protests? How about your black clients? Surely you’re not claiming “knowledge” based on the talking heads on your TV. That would be the ultimate lightweight lunacy.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Please tell me what they say about it.

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Is that a no?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Open question...are cops generally not very bright? Yeah, I'm sure you can point to a cop here and there and say, he's a college grad, blah, blah, blah...okay, the exceptions that prove the rule.

In the recent Atlanta shooting....come on, man!

Then "peaceful protestors" torched the Wendy's restaurant. Of course, all "peaceful" people regularly burn businesses to the ground...especially when said owners/workers had nothing to do with the incident. They're not too bright either...and that's being kind.

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Especially when the shooting in the Atlanta incident appears to have been justified by Atlanta's own standard.

Remember that two weeks ago six Atlanta officers (five were black in case anyone has forgotten) were fired for using excessive and deadly force when two college students were tased and forcibly removed from their vehicle.

In this latest incident, the suspect violently resisted arrest and armed himself with one officer's taser. The argument that the use of deadly force against a suspect armed just with a taser was excessive is totally bogus. An officer could be incapacitated by the taser, and his service weapon could have been taken and used in a deadly manner. The same would have been true if a baton had been taken instead of a taser.

If an officer using a taser can be considered excessive and deadly force, then taking down an armed violent suspect who was trying to escape justified the use of deadly force. The act of resisting arrest is still illegal, so the blame here is 100% on the suspect for his own violent and illegal actions which are clearly shown in the video.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

How many of your black friends have you talked to about BLM and the protests?

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My black co-workers denounce BLM and the excessive violence perpetrated on its behalf.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

My black co-workers denounce BLM and the excessive violence perpetrated on its behalf.

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Good on you for having the conversation.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Especially when the shooting in the Atlanta incident appears to have been justified by Atlanta's own standard.

Remember that two weeks ago six Atlanta officers (five were black in case anyone has forgotten) were fired for using excessive and deadly force when two college students were tased and forcibly removed from their vehicle.

In this latest incident, the suspect violently resisted arrest and armed himself with one officer's taser. The argument that the use of deadly force against a suspect armed just with a taser was excessive is totally bogus. An officer could be incapacitated by the taser, and his service weapon could have been taken and used in a deadly manner. The same would have been true if a baton had been taken instead of a taser.

If an officer using a taser can be considered excessive and deadly force, then taking down an armed violent suspect who was trying to escape justified the use of deadly force. The act of resisting arrest is still illegal, so the blame here is 100% on the suspect for his own violent and illegal actions which are clearly shown in the video.

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Wasn't the dude handcuffed? I thought I heard that. Maybe not, since watching the two different videos I've seen it looks like the struggle commenced when one officer was trying to handcuff him. Yes, I agree, having the taser made the suspect armed (and dangerous). You made the point about incapacitating an officer with the taser, then taking his gun. The dude was drunk and he did resist arrest. True.

BUT!!! he was also running away from the officers. Obviously he was not attempting to attack them, with the taser, or some other weapon, and posed no immediate threat to the lives of the officers. The cop shot him in the back...three times. A better recourse for the officers would have been to call for backup, put out one of those APBs, and follow the suspect, keep him in sight until help arrived. I don't feel any particular sympathy for the dude...although a DUI turned into a death sentence for him. But, what I really meant about "are cops generally not very bright" is in light of recent events, and the very predictable reaction to this incident (an innocent business owner, the Wendy's franchisee, a small business owner) has had his business burned to the ground, and you know NOTHING will happen to those who torched it. Even if they are identified and caught...nothing will happen to them. That cop should have hesitated long enough to consider all the ramifications and not pulled the trigger....three times.

Fact is...right now, evil is triumphing in America. As someone once said, "all evil needs to triumph is for good people to do nothing."

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Good on you for having the conversation.

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