They’ll never acknowledge this. They don’t even know who Gavin McInnes isQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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They’ll never acknowledge this. They don’t even know who Gavin McInnes isQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Just read a retraction of sorts, a clarification really, with the attached apologies, of course. A very leftist Internet site...I'll have to go find it again, the link was is in a FB post...had reported on a fight (no one was seriously hurt and the police decided not to make any arrests) between "right wing activists" and Antifa. The original article, on-line, made it appear that, yeah, while both sides share some of the blame, it was the right wingers who initiated the scuffle. Well, well... not so.
A local TV station reporter was recording all of it with his phone. Here's what happened...the police had set up barricades across the street from a public building rented for an event of conservative speakers, none of whom I have ever heard of, but apparently they drew a nice crowd. Police also set up barricades on the building side of the street along the sidewalk where people were standing in line to enter the building for the event. In between was a neutral ground, the street closed to traffic and patrolled by police, designed to keep the groups separated. Across the street was mostly Antifa, so confident they are in the right they feel the need to hide behind black masks/hoods. There was shouting back and forth, but nothing physical...yet.
When just about the whole crowd had entered the building, with maybe 20 good folks still outside, and at least two police officers seen departing the area, I guess because they assumed there would be no trouble, dozens and dozens of Antifa surged passed the barricades into the street and got close to those few still waiting to enter the building. There was lots of profanity hurled toward the good people, and only two police officers left to try to intervene and calm the situation. Someone with a vest, with SECURITY on it, emerged from inside and urged all the people in line to hurry up and enter. Just as the last few were about to, the Antifa thugs pushed past the two police officers and knocked aside the barricades, rushing toward the door. A scuffle ensued. It was a lot of grabbing of arms and cussing...then the TV guy recording all of this was suddenly pulled back, his camera recording the sky for a few seconds, and then back again. It was arriving police that had yanked him back. Just as it appeared the Antifa thugs were going to retreat back across the street, several men emerged from inside the building and although their words cannot be heard among the noise it is clear they were cussing at the Antifa thugs and shewing them away with hand motions, like "get out of here" type stuff. About a half dozen thugs pushed past the police and lunged at the 3 or 4 men near the door, but still behind the barricade still standing there. The 4 good guys grabbed on to the thugs just as they pushed thru the barricade and proceeded to throttle them pretty good. There were punches thrown, lots of flailing about, the Antifa thugs were swinging their purses and shouting "you mean old meanies you!" [okay, I made up that last part]. In a matter of seconds the thugs took a whipping, one being lifted and tossed over the barricade back into the street. Police finally separated the groups and ordered those going to the event to go inside, and the thugs were pushed back across the street to their original side of those barricades.
Some wimpy college professor looking dude, who turned out to be a slimy attorney, confronted the police demanding they arrest those 3 or 4 men involved in the fight. This went on for a while. Later the TV reporter, who recorded all of this, reported that the police did ID and speak to the 3 or 4 men involved, but decided since they acted in self-defense, and because no one, on either side, was seriously hurt, and because more police had been summoned to disperse the Antifa thugs and to serve as a barrier when the event was over...
Well, the leftist Internet propaganda site got hold of a copy of the video, about 20 seconds of it, that showed the 3 or 4 good Americans throttling the Antifa attackers, showed ONLY that portion on their site, and made it appear the poor little Antifa dudes were just out for an evening stroll (dressed in terrorist garb) and were viciously attacked by some right wing nuts. When their site was flooded with messages of "liars!" they retracted the article admitting that it was Antifa members who crossed not one but two police barricades that instigated the confrontation. But...we should understand the emotional stress of these gallant Antifa members who are just expressing their political views.
Goosey surely gets his "news" from such sites, and gobbles it all up!
So now I see why you have such goofy opinions - you read news on Facebook.
so you are arguing that the left wing propaganda site reported the whole story and didn’t retract anything? Because Facebook........Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
All of the news he gets from Facebook is probably bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
As Arnold said, "You are a girly man."
Socialist Democrats = Mobs
The violent left at it again. Two Repubs viciously attacked in Minnesota.
Dem operative arrested in assault stayed employed for months despite reputation for 'hostile' tacticsQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Trump, once again celebrating violence against reporters:
"Greg is smart," Mr Trump said of Montana Congressman Greg Gianforte, adding "by the way never wrestle him".
"Any guy that can do a body slam... he's my guy," he said to cheers and laughter at a rally in Montana.
Yep. You lefties expect to dish it out, but when a good person defends himself, OMG!
The extreme right holds a near monopoly on political violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
What are characteristics of the extreme right?
Haven't you seen all the looting, pillaging, and burning of couches when conservatives don't get their way?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tWm8aiqK8ic/hqdefault.jpg
People that target others for being gay, immigrant, Non-Christian, pro-choice, Black, liberal, usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righ...murders_US.png
:laugh:
If I make the same kind of stupid generalizations about the extreme left, does that make it so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Only if it is supported by data.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
2016 Las Vegas shooting - hundreds wounded 50+ killedQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Orlando gay club shooting
Dallas PD shooting
Riots in Berkeley, Portland, Seattle, I could go on and on..It's just wiki admins haven't put stuff on left crimes.
Are examples of what? Leftists or rightists?Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
So if something is written on wikipedia, you accept it as unquestionable fact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Only when it supports one of his delusional assertions.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
No, I go check the source. That is what makes Wikipedia handy. The links to sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Can’t post video for some reason, but have you seen the Antifa protestor who yells at the 9/11 widow. Unreal.
That guy has been fired by his High-Tech company. Said that doesn't fit in with their company's culture. The company is Enhanced Technology, or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
No, I haven't seen it, but if I ever witness something like that taking place, I will put a stop to it. Antifa punks seem to be pretty good at aiming their attacks at people who they figure will not fight back. Their day is coming. A good, old fashioned ass whipping is all it'll take to send those punks crying back to wherever they come from. No Antifa jerk will bully anyone like that in front of me. I won't stand for such behavior, and neither will a lot of others I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
While you guys keep buying into this fake violent left/mob propaganda and ignore the fact that it is the extreme right that commits the vast majority of violence in this country, I am just going to post this latest incident:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/n...ve-device.html
The vast majority of violence is committed by the left. Period. There are at least 10 lefty incidents for every rightwing incident.
Only a delusional idiot, or a lefty operative trying to cover-up the truth would state otherwise.
It's anybody's guess who is responsible for this. Soros is certainly not above staging this whole thing to try to divert attention from the approaching mob of illegal immigrants headed our way at his behest. Of course, it could be either a right, or left wing activist that's behind it too. We need to examine the EVIDENCE before we make judgement. You left wingers ought to give this concept a try occasionally. It works really well (as in the confirmation process for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Got a link for this fake news?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Haven’t you been paying attention at all? The Kavanaugh hearings should have taught you where the burden of proof is. He is the accused and you are the accuser. Present your evidence that refutes his exact claim. Not alternate stats and facts, but exactly what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Or look at it another way. According to the left, we can submit a statement without anything to back it up and it has to be accepted as gospel.
Is he willing to submit to an FBI investigation or subject himself to cross-examination? Is he a victim of anything other than his own ignorance and illwill?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I actually already presented my evidence that shows that the extreme right has a monopoly on violence. In other words, actual stats and facts. But stats and facts clearly don’t matter to Republicans anymore.
Here’s a fun game we can play. Every time you read a news story about violence from your opponents side post it here. Anything that happens from this date forward, not anything prior. Let’s see who posts more often.
No you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The leftist liberals and socialist are the violent ones now big time.
You mean between the 99 conservative posters on this forum versus the 1 moderate and the 1 liberal poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Or you could just look at the actual stats.
You just threw out THE BBB as a sample. That's funny. Also funny is that we have a moderate. We don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
New York and California man. There's the insanity and hate. Of course all the socialist led large cities in the US are full of hate as well.
Actually I was just explaining why counting BBB posts to determie which group is most violent would be a foolish way to determine something when there is actual data that directly answers the question. Besides, Ray will post the same article 4 different places, so would that count 4 times or would we have to divide his total by 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I happen to think differently. I feel like our board is made up of a majority moderates(read conservatives and liberals). The extreme minority are socialists lefties. You could probably get a pretty even handed discussion of multiple viewpoints, but you insist on labeling many of us as extemist right wingers. Or so it seems to me.
I'm actually a moderate, a little left of center on some issues, a tad to the right on others. I am also a lifetime registered Democrat. Have been since I was 18.
But this Democrat Party, the one that lost its way after Slick Willy finished his term in 2000, has gone nuts. And gotten even nuttier with each passing day. Just last night, Hannity ran replays of Krooked Killary, Pelosi, obummer, Schumer, and several others ALL saying that we must NOT allow illegal immigration. A couple of those were from just a few years ago, but most from when GWB was prez and the 'craps were trying to use it as a political weapon. So, while I am left-leaning on some issues, I cannot support today's Dem Party. You just never know where they are on any issue, and they don't either.
The problem is, too many Americans fail to see the obvious truth....the Dems leadership are the pigs of Animal Farm. They talk a good game, but only care about themselves. The proof is out there, documented, and plain to see. Yet, too many refuse to see it.
I used to consider myself independent. I feel like the left has moved farther and farther left though. I don't know where the center is any more, but by any current measure I am right of center.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jerse...ng-in-kentucky
Fortunately some concerned person turned in this white racist just in time to prevent a school shooting.
Glad he was stopped. Do we know if he voted for Trump or Hillary? That was my point in recommending the exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Well he is a white racist from Kentucky that doesn’t believe white privilege is real. I don’t know if he actually voted. He may have been underage at the time of the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
More perspective for you:
https://www.adl.org/news/press-relea...oubled-in-2017
What about your hero Robert Byrd. Racist? Did he believe in white privilege?
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
We need to add some boxes to the tax return, like the one for presidential campaign contributions, for white guilt and illegal immigration aid to give suckers like you somewhere to spend their money. A chance to put your money where your mouth is.
Maxine Waters come on down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You keep forgetting that I am not a Democrat. They aren’t my heroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
You might not know this but the Republican Party used to be the party that had the greater percentage of the black vote prior to Goldwater. At that time, the racists supported the Democrat party - not the party of Lincoln. Byrd is a relic of that era of the yellow dog Democrats. Of course, once Goldwater campaigned against the Civil Rights Act, the Republicans brought many of the racist Dems into the fold and the black vote shifted Democrat.
I agree. You are not a democrat. You are a socialist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You are totally wrong in the second paragraph. FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ are the ones who screwed things up for blacks.
I said nothing about who “screwed things up for blacks” and I am not totally wrong about when the black vote switched sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Why are you turning every argument into a strawman these days?
I love the "strawman" thing when you are losing. The black vote began with LBJ and has never changed. Don't act like blacks suddenly voted for LBJ because he cared about them. I challenge you to find a racist quote from Goldwater that will equal the one I can show that came from LBJ. Please stop with the BS that nobody believes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The KKK have supported the Republicans since Goldwater.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Really? The KKK has not been relevant since your favorite democrats were in charge back in the Kennedy/LBJ days.
The KKK has about as much relevance in politics as BBB does in conference realignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/reco...-u-s-1.6272263Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant
Another violent right wing group to watch out for:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...olence-n920506
Thank goodness the attempted terrorist was incompetent and the people handling the packages were not. Hopefully they catch the person responsible and make an example out of them.
Why does my post keep disappearing?
Bombs sent to Soros, Obama, Clinton, CNN, John Brennan and Eric Holder.
Clearly this is Trump-inspired right wing violence. These are his favorite enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Predictable.
Perhaps he mailed them himself from the Whitehouse.
Well that would be Trump inflicted violence rather than violence inspired by his rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Also bombs sent to Kamala Harris and Schulz.
While the right wing is creating a false narrative about the violent left, the surge of violence seen i the US is mostly motivated by right wing ideologies.
https://qz.com/1355874/terrorism-is-...ng-extremists/
False narrative he says. That's great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
It is. You guys will fall for everything the right wing pundits says these days. Trump has y’all eating out of the palms of his hands. I haven’t seen anything like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
This is the part where, if you were on the other side of this, you would say "show me where Donald Trump has called for violence against these people".Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Criticizing isn't the same as calling for violence. Granted I don't think he has condemned the violent rhetoric as much as he should.
What do you think it means when you call someone “an enemy of the people”?Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Are you saying that is evidence that he called for violence against them? I don't think you are applying your own standard here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
“Trump has stoked a cold civil war in this Country," tweeted Steve Schmidt, a former Republican strategist who ran Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign and announced he was leaving the GOP earlier this year. "His rallies brim with menace and he has labeled journalists as enemies of the people. That someone would seek to kill their political enemies is not aberrational but rather the inevitable consequence of Trump's incitement."
Trump thrives on this culture of divisiveness and his constant battle rhetoric is designed to enflame people’s fear and hatred. This is what I needed referring to when I refer to the damage he is inflicting on our country. This is not a healthy leadership style. He needs to be checked.
Not specifically, but his constant assault inspires this sort of behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
I didn’t say he called for violence - I said that he “inspired” it. The uptick in right wing violence is a direct result of him enflaming their fears and hatred for his own political gain.
Maxine Waters got one too. Really the “Who’s who” of all the right wing vitriol.
Hhmmm, Trump and Pence came out condemning all violence from either side. Have the dems done the same yet?
Would you say that that is the type of rhetoric that "inspires" left wing violence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What do you mean? If left wing leaders used such hostile rhetoric as much as Trump does then, yeah, there might be more left wing violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
The bombs were bought by Soros and sent by his operatives. He knew the bombs would be intercepted, so no one would get hurt, but now the left can go on a predictable rant. It was a setup. If you think, well, some postal worker could have been blown to bits...keep in mind Pelosi just said there will be "acceptable collateral damage." The left doesn't care about the average postal worker, or anyone else. They are Orwell's pigs and will kill anyone who gets in the way of their lust for power.
just in case you are serious, I mean the statement that you quoted and that you made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
“Trump has stoked a cold civil war in this Country,"
"His rallies brim with menace and he has labeled journalists as enemies of the people."
"That someone would seek to kill their political enemies is not aberrational but rather the inevitable consequence of Trump's incitement."
"Trump thrives on this culture of divisiveness and his constant battle rhetoric is designed to enflame people’s fear and hatred."
"...when I refer to the damage he is inflicting on our country"
"He needs to be checked"
Is that not "hostile rhetoric"? Doesn't seem that different than the things Trump is saying.
I don't like the things Trump says, but he doesn't have a monopoly on these things.
I don’t think you can be typing any of your comments with a straight face. If the left was any more violent, due to their rhetoric, conservatives would be gunned down in broad daylight. Oh wait, Steve Scalise might have something to say about that. The socialists left has no moral ground to stand on with respect to the violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Look at the stats already posted. The vast majority of violence is coming from the right and it is growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The Scalise thing is an excellent example of left wing violence. It occurs, too, and they should avoid hostile rhetoric of the type Trump uses for the same reason.
The KKK was the southern democrats and later the likes of Dem. Senator Byrd. No wonder they tried to throw blame on the republicans instead of themselves. Much like today and the Clinton/Obama/Pelosi crowd it was a red herring of the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Exactly, but then they started supporting Republicans after the Civil Rights Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Interesting that Trump was unwilling to call these pipe bombs domestic terrorism today (even though he was asked twice).
You are so full of crappola. The whole "it is whitey's fault" was brought on by the Dems/LBJ era and the 'Great Society' as a red herring as well to stir up the masses. When all along it was the hardcore KKK Dems that were, and still are, the racist trying to keep minorities down. The Civil Rights act was great but it wasn't the Dems wanting it for the prior two centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I didn’t talk about “fault”. I am just pointing out the point in time that the KKK switched from supporting Dems to supporting Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
That is true regardless of whether the Great Society was good or bad. The racists no longer support the democrats because they don’t believe in the idea of white privilege.
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The top men and women of the left just don’t inject such ideas of violence against opponents into their rallies.
That’s a lie and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
“We have to fight in the streets against Trump.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Tim Kaine January 31, 2017.
First, Kaine has far less influence on anything than Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Second, and most significantly, you are taking that way out of context and you actually quoted it incorrectly.
"Democrats, senators led healthcare rallies -- Save Our Healthcare -- on Martin Luther King Day in about 75 cities around the country, including Richmond," he said. "Tens of thousands of people rallied to save our health care. Then, the Women's March that was organized at a grassroots level. Then, people coming out in protest of these orders."
"So, the way we get outside the bubble is we take advantage of this tremendous public outcry against the administration," said Kaine.
"What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there's the momentum to be able to do this," he said in the 2017 interview. "
He is clearly talking about rallies and protests. Did you also take his “fight in Congress, fight in the courts, and fight at the ballot box” to mean literal violence? Come’on man! You are smarter than that!
I don't know if he does anymore. That's the scary thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Got a quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Do you think Trump uses violent rhetoric? Do you agree he uses it more than other politicians?Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
Bombs were sent to Biden and Robert De Niro too.
I’ll bet you a beer the next time you’re in Ruston a lefty is behind these so-called bombs. It’s too obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If you believe that then you should also believe the Honduras caravan was started by conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
I'll see what I can find:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks." -- Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa
Oldie:
“Cheney deserves same final end he gave Saddam. Hope there are cell cams.” — Rep. Chuck Kruger (D-Thomaston)
The Tim Kaine quote already mentioned was taken to heart by his son apparently. (honestly didn't know about this till I did some searching).https://www.twincities.com/2017/05/2...d-trump-rally/
I see the New York Times is running a fictional story about what will happen after the Russia investigation concludes in which the Secret Service helps assassinate Trump.
Hillary Clinton called for an end to "civility"
That's of course avoiding the numerous celebrities who have depicted violence against Trump.
Let’s just see how it plays out. The bombs and the mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
One thing is for sure, most of the media is only digging in one direction. You have let your hatred of Trump affect your judgement.