Play-Off and Bowls

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

The fumble would not have happened with competent officiating because the next play would have been an extra point. The two Pick 6s were all about plays TCU made and are not relevant to the officiating issues.

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Michigan had a chance to overcome the bad call on the TD by not fumbling. That’s what championship teams do. The point is Michigan mistakes and bad play calling decisions cost Michigan the game, not the officiating.

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Originally Posted by glm47

Michigan had a chance to overcome the bad call on the TD by not fumbling. That’s what championship teams do. The point is Michigan mistakes and bad play calling decisions cost Michigan the game, not the officiating.

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Sounds like you want to excuse blatant officiating mistakes saying that a team should overcome them. That is irrelevant since I am not advocating for either team. A team shouldn't have to overcome multiple officiating mistakes in any sequence of a game as happened there.

An undetected 2-yard spotting error can't be excused for either the third team on the field or for their backups in the press box and offsite.

But the call to overturn the TD could not possibly have been made based on the pylon camera footage linked below. It is clear in other angles that the ball rotated 180 degrees after first touching the Michigan receiver's hands inside the 1-yard line, and firm control wasn't established until after this rotation occurred. From the pylon camera view, it appears that at least the nose of the ball was across the goal line by that point just before the ball is obscured by the body of the receiver in the end zone. That certainly doesn't provide the clear and indisputable video evidence required to overturn the on-field TD call. The TD should have stood as called.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1609311574300463104

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Sounds like you want to excuse blatant officiating mistakes saying that a team should overcome them. That is irrelevant since I am not advocating for either team. A team shouldn't have to overcome multiple officiating mistakes in any sequence of a game as happened there.

An undetected 2-yard spotting error can't be excused for either the third team on the field or for their backups in the press box and offsite.

But the call to overturn the TD could not possibly have been made based on the pylon camera footage linked below. It is clear in other angles that the ball rotated 180 degrees after first touching the Michigan receiver's hands inside the 1-yard line, and firm control wasn't established until after this rotation occurred. From the pylon camera view, it appears that at least the nose of the ball was across the goal line by that point just before the ball is obscured by the body of the receiver in the end zone. That certainly doesn't provide the clear and indisputable video evidence required to overturn the on-field TD call. The TD should have stood as called.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1609311574300463104

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What can I do about it? Officiating across the board in college football this year was the worst I’ve ever seen. You just have to deal with it.

I get that the officiating in those particular instances was terrible for Michigan. However, there was blatant holding and PI against Michigan that would have extended drives for TCU as well. Who is to say those extended drives wouldn’t have meant TCU wins by 2-3 scores? OSU got away with multiple holds when they double teamed UGA d-lineman. Allowed big gains for OSU. That game could have been 13-14 points in favored of UGA. Ifs and Buts

Good call of no targeting at the end of the Tulane-USC game.

And with that result, ESPN will no longer mention the Bowl Challenge Cup since the MAC wins with a 4-2 record. AAC finishes second with a 4-3 record. Pac 12 can tie for second with a Utah win in the Rose Bowl, or the Big Ten will tie for third with the ACC at 5-4 with a Penn State win over Utah.

In the BCC cellar...Big 12 at 2-6.

Had a blast at the Cotton Bowl! Has restored some of my enthusiasm for college football 🏈

Roll Wave!

Helluva game

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Good call of no targeting at the end of the Tulane-USC game.

And with that result, ESPN will no longer mention the Bowl Challenge Cup since the MAC wins with a 4-2 record. AAC finishes second with a 4-3 record. Pac 12 can tie for second with a Utah win in the Rose Bowl, or the Big Ten will tie for third with the ACC at 5-4 with a Penn State win over Utah.

In the BCC cellar...Big 12 at 2-6.

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Isn’t it funny how the powers at be will push what they want swallowed and anything else be damned. We live in a wildly twisted and corrupt world which unfortunately includes sports.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

The Michigan trick play was D-U-M-B dumb. That's on them.

But the TD was incorrectly overturned by replay before the Michigan fumble because the receiver didn't have full control of the ball before the ball had crossed the goal line. And that play would have been a clear TD as run if the replay dumbos had noticed the on-field 2-yard spotting mistake at the end of the Michigan interception. The biggest lie in college football is to say that every play gets reviewed. They don't account for smoke and potty breaks the replay officials take during play.

And then we get back to our favorite targeting rule. The non-call at the end of the game was a blatant miss. A receiver on the ground is a defenseless player, so any forceful contact to the head or neck area is targeting the way the rule is written. Contact with the crown of the helmet wasn't required to confirm targeting there. If replay isn't going to enforce targeting on that type of hit, then the targeting rule needs to be taken off the books.

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This is the kind of complaining I was referring to in my post. TCU just doesn't complain. I'm exasperated with the complainers. Michigan had 60 minutes of play to win the damn ball game, and they couldn't do it. Period.

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Originally Posted by techman05

The only way I will ever support targeting calls is if the officiating crew calls offensive targeting when a ball carrier lowers his helmet into a defender. If they don’t call both then I say play on.

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Good point. "Targeting" calls are nothing but BS anyway. Just gives complainers something else to complain about. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Sounds like you want to excuse blatant officiating mistakes saying that a team should overcome them. That is irrelevant since I am not advocating for either team. A team shouldn't have to overcome multiple officiating mistakes in any sequence of a game as happened there.

An undetected 2-yard spotting error can't be excused for either the third team on the field or for their backups in the press box and offsite.

But the call to overturn the TD could not possibly have been made based on the pylon camera footage linked below. It is clear in other angles that the ball rotated 180 degrees after first touching the Michigan receiver's hands inside the 1-yard line, and firm control wasn't established until after this rotation occurred. From the pylon camera view, it appears that at least the nose of the ball was across the goal line by that point just before the ball is obscured by the body of the receiver in the end zone. That certainly doesn't provide the clear and indisputable video evidence required to overturn the on-field TD call. The TD should have stood as called.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1609311574300463104

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Wow, FD. You're bringing "complaining" to new heights. That twitter video you posted clearly shows the receivers knee & butt down with the ball short of the goal line. Yeah, it could be argued either way...,..but it was apparently argued the way you didn't like it.

But here's the rub: TCU drops 51 points on Michigan, and you complain about THIS?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Had a blast at the Cotton Bowl! Has restored some of my enthusiasm for college football 

Roll Wave!

Helluva game

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I agree. CONGRATS to Tulane. They stepped up and provided fans with one of the best bowl games I've seen in a long time. Very entertaining game against #10 USC.

I found myself enjoying college football more this week than I have in the past few years. There were some really good bowl games this week. And, for the most part, I think the CFP committee got it right this time.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

Wow, FD. You're bringing "complaining" to new heights. That twitter video you posted clearly shows the receivers knee & butt down with the ball short of the goal line. Yeah, it could be argued either way...,..but it was apparently argued the way you didn't like it.

But here's the rub: TCU drops 51 points on Michigan, and you complain about THIS?

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Wow, HD. Didn't know that the rules state that if "the receiver's (sic) knee & butt (are) down" that said receiver has complete possession of the ball the instant it is touched. A ball spinning 180 degrees to me means that the receiver did not yet have possession of the ball, and that happened after the first touch of the ball.

At a minimum, this and all other videos I have seen do not clearly and indisputably indicate that the receiver did not first gain clear possession before part of the ball was over the goal line. That means that the on-field call should have stood. Replay isn't supposed to be used to re-officiate plays as was done here.

How many points TCU may or may not have scored isn't relevant to how badly the game was officiated.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDawg

Wow, HD. Didn't know that the rules state that if "the receiver's (sic) knee & butt (are) down" that said receiver has complete possession of the ball the instant it is touched. A ball spinning 180 degrees to me means that the receiver did not yet have possession of the ball, and that happened after the first touch of the ball.

At a minimum, this and all other videos I have seen do not clearly and indisputably indicate that the receiver did not first gain clear possession before part of the ball was over the goal line. That means that the on-field call should have stood. Replay isn't supposed to be used to re-officiate plays as was done here.

How many points TCU may or may not have scored isn't relevant to how badly the game was officiated.

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Whiner.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom

Well no new coach this year, but we get a great trophy nonetheless. We do not get relegated to the Southland. :D

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good thing, cuz we'd prolly get beat!

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Two very good games, and the two teams I was rooting for TCU and UGA won. More so TCU than UGA, and now I am all in for the Horny Frogs! Go TCU! Very happy for Sonny Dykes, the best coach Tech has had in a very long time, and maybe...forever. Maybe. Anyway, I like Coach Dykes and will be rooting for him and his guys next week.

Now, it's on to the Cotton Bowl and Roll Wave!



Oh...glad Notre Dame won their bowl game too.

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I always thought you'd make a good cheerleader :D