If he's loaded then the Repubs should think he's more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhussdawg
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If he's loaded then the Repubs should think he's more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhussdawg
i didn't say you had a political agenda, altadawg, but the science is politicised on both sides. many people who don't depend on industry for their livelihood just wish industry would go away. they have no idea that without industry, america would be ethiopia with better soil. they have no ideas what the real world is like. most of the "global warming" science that has been done has been for the specific purpose of proving that greenhouse gases (and ozone depletion) are causing global warming. all of the science that shows the contrary is dismissed as political, but make no mistake -- it's all political.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
sorry, but erring on the side of caution is not something our economy can afford at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
you, my friend, are brainwashed. why not listen to the other side rather than dismiss it?Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
this is exactly the point of my first post. we don't know what global temperature patterns were like before we started measuring them. we do know, however, that there have been ice ages and hot periods long before any industrialization. what makes us think that the current warming trend is not part of the natural cycle that caused those events in the past? the only thing we've got is computer models that were proven wrong before they were even released.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
it's like if i looked at Tech's schedule the last three years (4-8, 5-7, 6-6) and said, "the trend clearly shows that jack bicknell is improving our football program -- you can't argue with the record." if you don't have a complete record, you haven't shown anything.
as for the hurricanes, talk to any hurricane expert and they will tell you that hurricane intensity and frequency depends on a lot more than just ocean surface temperatures, and that hurricanes have a natural cycle. in fact, our hurricane record goes back far enough to include another high point in the cycle (back in the 50's, i think). yeah, major storms have increased over the last 30 years (i don't know about the doubling in 40 yr thing) but if you go back 50 years, you have no argument because there were just as many then as now.
guess what, ruston used to be ocean-front property a few thousand years ago. what makes you think that it's our fault if it gets that way again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgbitten
It's not our fault Bob, it's Bush's fault. Chaney acted like he was in the hospital, but he was at the control center...controlling Rita via radio. As soon as he wipes the poor and the minorities off the face of the earth, the administrations gonna work on reviving Hitler. I mean, it's common sense, don't you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
absolutely. and if you can't see that, your either just not very bright or you just dont give a crap about what happens in future generations...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
this should quiet the "hurricanes caused by global warming" hysteria, but i know it won't:
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NOAA's top hurricane predictor, Gerry Bell, said that every 25 years or so a tropical pattern of ocean and atmospheric factors causes the hurricane count to swing from above to below average.
The Atlantic and Gulf coast regions of the United States are facing the crest of that cycle right now, posing a risk of storm damage that many people do not expect.
The same pattern also accounts for the below-average storm counts off the west coast of the United States.
Who is not being rational?Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
By the way, looking at your link, it does look like 1936 was a hot year.
Also, I don't see any non-anomaly year. One year we can complain about global cooling, and the next global warming. I like that chart, because we always will have something to worry about.
Also, who was worried about this crap in 1880 that he started measuring the temperature in the ocean? How do we know where he was measuring the temperature of the ocean?
This is really some funny stuff we are arguing about.
altadawg, there are a several reasons why people don't want to accept the concept of human activities affecting the Earth's climate. First is that change is very gradual and if it is not happening in their backyard then it is just part of the long-term cycle of things. Initially, GW mainly affects the lowest temperatures in the most Northern and Southern Latitudes and who hangs out in those areas in the winter months. The folks in Fairbanks AK will tell you that it very rarely gets below -50F anymore whereas that use to be common.
The second reason is that this is an area of science and many people either don't belief science or can't understand it.
The third reason is that they subconciously that they don't want to feel guilty about driving a gas-guzzling dinosaur so they deny that any problem will emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.
The fourth reason is that their political leadership tells them that there is no problem (GW is a hoax) and just accept it without further analysis.
Ultimately, say in 30 to 50 years, those of us still around will wonder why there was any question at all about GW.
all the more reason to stay home and off the air. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TECH88
Looking at Alta's chart, it looks like we will be in a cooling trend on the sine wave by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
It was also lush with plants that absorbed CO2 then those plants were turned into fossil fuels over the years. Those fossil fuels have now been burned turning it back into Carbon in the atmosphere. Understand the Cycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbob
The Earth has always gone through cooling and heating periods. The problem is it seems we have speed it up extremely quickly the last few decades.
You argument that some people "wished that industry would just go away" is laughable at best. Where do you get this stuff? Is this some of Rush's latest vast left wing conspiracty theory or something? My livelihood depends on industry, so hell no, I don't wish that industry would go away. I happen to have a little bit of brain and can think for myself at times and can see that the current path we are on is going to make this earth extremely difficult to support our current Earth's populations.
All you naysayers about the reality of global warming should pay attention to all the scientific articles I've posted about GW. First, ice cores from Greenland and the Antartica show that the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is the highest it has been for the past 500,000 years. There is no question that human activities are responsibile for abnormal rise in CO2 concentrations.
Secondly, change in the Earth's climate occur because of changes both in tilt of the Earth's axis as well as variations in the Earth's orbit of the Sun. These changes are fixed and we know when in the Earth's history it got warmer or cooler because of these changes because the ice cores tell us how much CO2 is in the atmosphere as well as climate. The bottom line is that about 12,000 years ago the Earth started one of its cooling trends but that suddenly and abnormally changed direction 8,000 years ago to a warming trend because of increasing CO2 levels caused by human activities such as slash and burn argriculture.
CO2 levels continue to rise, and the Earth's global temperature will rise with it.
Didn't you read my post Salty? I'm on board man. Bush is the devil...I know cause Michael Moore told me so.
the reason so many people buy into the global warming myth is because they don't understand the science and it seams to match their personal experience. your (or anyone's) personal experience in changing temperatures means nothing in the scientific debate. as for your post about variations in the tilt of the earth and earth's orbit, that is just rediculous. in all i have read, i have never heard of that being used to explain past variations in temperature, and probably because there's no science behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
just wanted to let everybody know that it is a crisp 73 degrees here in ruston today...it was 97 yesterday...i think global warming ended at around 7:30 this morning.