Why Jenkins should continue to start

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10-15-2009, 02:51 PM
GatorDawg

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

Doc was right. You're probably NOT an idiot, so you really need to quit acting like one on the internet. Only a fool would think Ross is playing well enough to get us to a bowl game this year. The way Ross is performing, we'll be VERY lucky to simply beat the same WAC teams that we beat last year. And right now I'd say that's no slam dunk (with Idaho coming on strong, etc...)

Note on Porter: Porter had a "break out" game against Hawaii because he was playing HAWAII. Never mind the fact that Hawaii has ALWAYS been horrible on rush defense. (I guess you forgot that too!)

HD

Ross got us to a bowl last year. I guess you forgot that.
10-15-2009, 02:57 PM
Cool Hand Clyde

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Ross got us to a bowl last year. I guess you forgot that.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Ross needs to show some QB'ing skills before you can expect everyone to be in his camp.
10-15-2009, 03:01 PM
zharkins

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Ross got us to a bowl last year. I guess you forgot that.

And played worse last year than he has this year.
10-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Bigdog13

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by zharkins

And played worse last year than he has this year.

Last year means squat. Maybe due to the makeup of the rest of the team THIS YEAR we need more from the QB position than what we did last year. Maybe we need more than a "game manager."

Also since none of you have seen Cameron or Hardin play enough to make a judgment on them it is impossibe to say with certainty that Ross gives us a better shot at a bowl. That is just your best guess.

Some of you act like because Ross started last year as a Soph that we are locked into him as the starting QB for his Jr. and Sr. years as well. It's like you have automatically assumed anyone else would will be worse.
10-15-2009, 10:36 PM
LookingForResults

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

Last year means squat. Maybe due to the makeup of the rest of the team THIS YEAR we need more from the QB position than what we did last year. Maybe we need more than a "game manager."

Also since none of you have seen Cameron or Hardin play enough to make a judgment on them it is impossibe to say with certainty that Ross gives us a better shot at a bowl. That is just your best guess.

Some of you act like because Ross started last year as a Soph that we are locked into him as the starting QB for his Jr. and Sr. years as well. It's like you have automatically assumed anyone else would will be worse.

I think you've hit upon the answer BD13, at least as far as the player part of the equation is concerned. I think this team lacks the leadership of last year's team that was provided by Harris and Brown. I thought (hoped) I saw that leadership emerging after the Hawaii game and commented on it. Nevada proved otherwise. Combined with the exposure of the coaching staff's inability to adapt to being defensed somewhat differently than last year and their inability to adapt to specific changes during a game, we get what we've got. At a minimum, a well-coached offensive line, well-coached receivers and a competent QB are required. Since the offensive line and recievers can't suddenly become well-coached, the only one of the three over which any control can be immediately excercised is the QB and I say let's put a "live" arm on the field as often as possible.
10-15-2009, 10:40 PM
latech

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by LookingForResults

I think you've hit upon the answer BD13, at least as far as the player part of the equation is concerned. I think this team lacks the leadership of last year's team that was provided by Harris and Brown. I thought (hoped) I saw that leadership emerging after the Hawaii game and commented on it. Nevada proved otherwise. Combined with the exposure of the coaching staff's inability to adapt to being defensed somewhat differently than last year and their inability to adapt to specific changes during a game, we get what we've got. At a minimum, a well-coached offensive line, well-coached receivers and a competent QB are required. Since the offensive line and recievers can't suddenly become well-coached, the only one of the three over which any control can be immediately excercised is the QB and I say let's put a "live" arm on the field as often as possible.

man, I'm running out of green dot to give you.
Good post.
10-16-2009, 12:29 AM
DocMarvin362

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by zharkins

Actually, against 1A teams, Ross' rating is 97.9 and Tebow's rating is 159.8, but still, you are right.

Tebow: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=183484

Ross: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=191074

Juice... HD says dumb things everyday. That doesn't mean that you have to go even lower than him.
10-16-2009, 01:25 AM
zharkins

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

Tebow: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=183484

Ross: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=191074

Juice... HD says dumb things everyday. That doesn't mean that you have to go even lower than him.

Weird. Why would ESPN use the NFL QB rating formula when everyone else including the NCAA uses the NCAA passing efficiency rating? They couldn't key in the appropriate formula?

What is crazier is that the overall season number on the same page uses the right formula even though the single games are NFL.
10-16-2009, 11:45 AM
DocMarvin362

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by zharkins

Weird. Why would ESPN use the NFL QB rating formula when everyone else including the NCAA uses the NCAA passing efficiency rating? They couldn't key in the appropriate formula?

What is crazier is that the overall season number on the same page uses the right formula even though the single games are NFL.

Interesting.... maybe you could e-mail them that and see if they would fix it.

Anyways, now you know where I was getting my numbers. :icon_wink:
10-16-2009, 12:50 PM
techfan01

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Juice752

Ross got us to a bowl last year. I guess you forgot that.

Do you really think that Ross is going to get us to a bowl game this year playing like he is? Last year is exactly what it is, its last year. THIS YEAR he better step it up for the rest of the season or we wont win 5 games. Ross is a TERRIBLE quarterback. His has a freaking rag arm, he under throws receivers like its going out of style. He prides himself on "checking to the right play?" What the hell? How many "right" plays has he made this year? We will continue to be mediocre until we get a playmaker at the quarterback position. We know Ross isn't a playmaker, so why not let someone else get some snaps. You can't judge Cameron on 3 throws so why not try him out? It cant be worse then what Ross is doing. Hell i can go hand the ball off to Porter all day, and under throw my receivers. Im not even gonna comment on the Tebow thing, that is just plain dumb. If you cant see the difference between the two then that speaks for itself.
10-16-2009, 01:09 PM
zharkins

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by techfan01

You can't judge Cameron on 3 throws so why not try him out? It cant be worse then what Ross is doing.

It could get worse easily. One thing Ross doesn't do is turn the ball over a lot. In fact, he is 38th in the nation in fewest interceptions per attempt. As long as he doesn't turn the ball over, I don't think they make a change. If you remember with Bennett, it wasn't his lack of production that cost him his spot, it was giving the ball away that did him in.
10-16-2009, 02:32 PM
hambone29

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by zharkins

It could get worse easily. One thing Ross doesn't do is turn the ball over a lot. In fact, he is 38th in the nation in fewest interceptions per attempt. As long as he doesn't turn the ball over, I don't think they make a change. If you remember with Bennett, it wasn't his lack of production that cost him his spot, it was giving the ball away that did him in.

Constant 3 and outs are pretty much turnovers.
10-16-2009, 03:06 PM
LookingForResults

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Chris29

Constant 3 and outs are pretty much turnovers.

Exactly!, and especially if we "shank" one!
10-16-2009, 03:45 PM
zharkins

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by Chris29

Constant 3 and outs are pretty much turnovers.

We've had 13 3-and-outs in 5 games this season. We had 19 3-and-outs in our first 5 games last season and 49 total 3-and-outs in 13 games last season.

So...

2009 = 2.6 "3-and-outs" per game
2008 = 3.8 "3-and-outs" per game
10-16-2009, 04:18 PM
LookingForResults

Re: Why Jenkins should continue to start

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Originally Posted by zharkins

We've had 13 3-and-outs in 5 games this season. We had 19 3-and-outs in our first 5 games last season and 49 total 3-and-outs in 13 games last season.

So...

2009 = 2.6 "3-and-outs" per game
2008 = 3.8 "3-and-outs" per game

Ok. You're right. We're clearly a better team this year.

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