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Just watched a painful interview with Kellyanne Conway...I think she agreed, but her semi-defense of his tactics looked like they were draining her soul. I hope he's paying his "public defenders" a LOT of money because they are earning every dime.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDawg
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Originally Posted by dawg80
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Why is it important that he be "presidential"?
Being candidate with a stick up his rear not what got him votes. Verbal retaliation or tweeting is not "presidential", but embarrassing stunts by presidents acting presidential stopped bothering me back in the Clinton days.
Seems the easy answer is that it's important for him to be presidential because he's the president. Other presidents failing to be presidential doesn't mean that they were right or that their departure from presidential behavior justifies current departures.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The more utilitarian argument is that these stunts hinder his ability to build consensus around his agenda...he's making it harder for those who want to support him to do so...as well as ensuring that NO ONE from the other party is going to cross over. He doesn't have majorities that allow him to push his agenda through with no bipartisan support, so if he wants his agenda to go forward, he's got to get bipartisan support...at least at some level.
Further, acting presidential wouldn't lose his die-hard supporters...especially if it helped push his agenda. That's why these outbursts make it look more and more like he's got an impulse control problem. He was crazy like a fox during the primaries and general election. Now he's just crazy.
I don't need him to be presidential. Unless presidential is a code word for demonstrating impulse control, decency, and representing our country with dignity.
This is probably where someone will respond with an Obama example, and I acknowledge there are a number of them. To those retorts, I proactively riposte "if you didn't like it from President Obama, you shouldn't support it from President Trump."
No, I just don't hold to the double standard that hasn't gotten a president elected in almost 50 years. The GOP guys are expect to act presidential while the Socialist democrats are not. I'm bored with the whole "act presidential" thing. The whole deal in Washington is a corrupt circus and the guy many seen as a clown is disrupting the big show. I love the drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
Yeah, the tweets should not have been made by the President but the recipients deserve anything coming to them. Trump needs to get a "hit tweeter" to do this for him. He's got plenty of celebrity supporters with many followers who could be his surrogate.
I expect all elected officials to act accordingly with the expectations of their elected post. There are examples all over the place. A recent one...going on television and telling people that Trumpcare will cause "hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people, to die."
That, my friends, is no better than Trump's tweets. I guarantee you, with every fiber of my being, that "hundreds of thousands, maybe millions" will NOT die. There is a law that covers that. EMTALA
What do you think about things like this hindering his effectiveness to implement his agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDawg
This is nothing more than a coup d'etat orchestrated by the dems and the media (and a lot of establishment republicans) to cripple and overthrow a legally elected president. They don't like that the non-pedigreed guy has been admitted to their country club.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
If they are successful, you will either have civil war or massive civil disobedience that will end up destroying the country. You cannot tell people this is a democracy (actually a representative republic) and then tell them their votes and opinions don't count.
I despised Obama more than I could even put into words. He was a race-baiting, country-dividing, USA-hating demagogue that would do anything to weaken our position in the world to "teach us a lesson". But, he was elected, and I had to accept that this was where the country was at the moment and hope that things would change, because we at least had the Constitution to help slow down the destruction of our society. This attempt at sedition goes well beyond our Constitution.
Horse spit. Most of his injuries are self-inflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Most? No. Many? Yes. Only people who are truly Trump haters care about his "Un-Presidentialness". Being presidential is a joke and has been since Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
He is acting no differently now than when he was running for the office.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I agree with Maverick. One of the biggest criticisms of Obama was that he further divided the country. I think Trump is taking that to a new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
I have often said I would like a president that fights back against the kind of stuff Trump is being subjected to. I hoped it would be with pointing out hypocrisy and debating actual policy points. This is what we have though. I will admit that I am certainly guilty of some of the same thoughts and actions.
I would prefer our president not respond to " You're a poo poo head" with "well you're a booger face". Just my opinion and it's worth what you pay for it.
Those seem rather tame, considering what has already been tweeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDawg
Yeah, I would prefer for Trump to cease these sophomoric exchanges, like someone posted, "well, you're a booger head." I don't see the point. But, it is who he is. He won't back down, and of course the libtards were gonna attack him whether he fought back or not. So, it's not like, if he'll be civil, they will too.
GWB took 8 years of abuse while in office. He took 8 more years of unfair criticism for his policies. (for some of his policies, he earned some criticism too). And to this day, Bush won't take the bait. Even when Sean Hannity tried to coerce him into retorting against his critics, GWB shrugged it off, rose above it, and said it comes with the territory.
Funny thing is, Trump's approval numbers got a bump in the wake of the baseball practice shooting when he was presidential in his comments. I have to think his advisors are pulling their hair out trying to get him to follow that course in all matters.