Fire Holtz

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Originally Posted by OLDBLUE

Even if you are wrong.:D

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Yep, even if he is wrong!

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Originally Posted by T1

But the scary thing is .... I'm usually wrong and the group is usually right. :)

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This is no different- you are wrong once again.:laugh:

I like to read obi-wan's posts. Gives me an ever so small glimmer of hope that I might just be wrong.

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Originally Posted by T1

One of the main reasons I argue here is because of "group think." There are uninformed people who conform to group think because they know no better. I think Holtz has proven himself at Uconn and ECU and he had 1 bad year at USF (2 good years). He inherited a dumpster fire at Tech, and I guaran-damn-tee you he is going to straighten this crap out. It was a good hire.... we hired a guy who knows what it takes to win. He is going to get fired because our boosters are dumb and will not give him time... but the next guy is going to inherit a good situation because of Skip Holtz. It's a shame that Dykes screwed Tech over, but... good for him, he's a millionaire now!

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Lets just ignore the fact that Holtz turned USF into a dumpster fire and do not listen to 2 different schools fans about how bad of a recruiter that he is. Plus at Tech he has already turned a 9-3 team into a 4-8 team. Maybe Holtz is just tired of coaching, it seems that he would rather play golf.

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Originally Posted by T1

1 bad year at USF (2 good years).

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Ummm…no. I don't care what Sagarin says. In 2011, Holtz was 1-6 in the BIG EAST. That was not a good year.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Ummm…no. I don't care what Sagarin says. In 2011, Holtz was 1-6 in the BIG EAST. That was not a good year.

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It wasn't a good year, but the team was pretty good. They had some close losses:

Uconn: 16-10 Loss
Cincinnati: 37-34 Loss
Rutgers: 20-17 Loss
Miami: 6-3 Loss
Louisville: 34-24 Loss
West Virginia: 30-27 Loss

They beat Notre Dame and blew out Syracuse, UTEP, Florida A&M, and Ball St.

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Originally Posted by upsetpuppydog

Lets just ignore the fact that Holtz turned USF into a dumpster fire and do not listen to 2 different schools fans about how bad of a recruiter that he is. Plus at Tech he has already turned a 9-3 team into a 4-8 team. Maybe Holtz is just tired of coaching, it seems that he would rather play golf.

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Intellectually dishonest. Most the guys off the 9-3 team left before he got here.

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Originally Posted by T1

It wasn't a good year, but the team was pretty good.

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I finally understand why you and I don't see eye-to-eye! We have different definitions of GOOD!

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Originally Posted by T1

It wasn't a good year, but the team was pretty good. They had some close losses:

Uconn: 16-10 Loss
Cincinnati: 37-34 Loss
Rutgers: 20-17 Loss
Miami: 6-3 Loss
Louisville: 34-24 Loss
West Virginia: 30-27 Loss

They beat Notre Dame and blew out Syracuse, UTEP, Florida A&M, and Ball St.

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For the record:


UConn: 5-7
Cincinnati: 10-3
Rutgers: 9-4
Miami: 6-6
Louisville: 7-6
West Virginia: 10-3
Notre Dame: 8-5
Syracuse: 5-7

UTEP/Ball State are non AQ's, A&M - FCS

Three good teams there (I will give you Rutgers) and a whole lot of medocrity.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

I finally understand why you and I don't see eye-to-eye! We have different definitions of GOOD!

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No, we don't see eye to eye because you seem to think USF did this under Holtz:

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120

When really, it was this:

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85

T1, Holtz's proctologist called. He wants to know when you will be moving out so he can start Skip's annual exam.

Dogswin, your momma just called and said to tell you to shut your pie hole.

Oh good, a pissing contest. Which one of you has the better prostate? Remember, it's not just distance, the arc and steadiness of flow are key factors in your evaluation.

T1 has been persistent and consistent. I disagree with his conclusions, but reasonable people can disagree.

I hope history proves him correct.

(It won't, but we can still hope ...)

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Originally Posted by T1

No, we don't see eye to eye because you seem to think USF did this under Holtz:

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When really, it was this:

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Safari really thinks the 9-3 and the 5-7 teams are the same? If so, that's all the evidence I need to disregard Sagarin.

His last two years, he won 2 conference games (total) in a very weak Big East. If Sagarin makes you feel okay with that, good for you. Let me know when we start getting higher conference distributions because Sagarin thinks we're better than our record.