Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
You're the one who said he'd kept every campaign promise he'd made. I guess you meant except for the ones he didn't. That's the deal with the Trump fanboys. Everything you like is 100% Trump. Everything you don't like is 100% somebody else. He plays the victim more than any President in my lifetime.
So, tell me what Trump did wrong with regards to that promise? Fact is, Trump gave it everything, and his constituents know it. But Trump was undermined by an old, bitter, traitor, with a black heart, in John McCain. Clearly he underestimated the depth of the deception in the swamp.
It's also not over yet. When Republicans gain control of the House, Senate and POTUS this Nov, it will be game over. You never Trumper's will be remembered like the old Black Sox of 1919. LOL!
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
HogDawg
So, tell me what Trump did wrong with regards to that promise? Clearly he underestimated the depth of the swamp.
He did what Trump always does...promised something he couldn't personally deliver. Did you really expect McCain to toe the line after the way Trump treated him? He runs his mouth constantly and does nothing to "broaden his appeal" beyond his base and then acts like everybody is out to get him when he needs the support of those he just defecated on.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
He did what Trump always does...promised something he couldn't personally deliver. Did you really expect McCain to toe the line after the way Trump treated him? He runs his mouth constantly and does nothing to "broaden his appeal" beyond his base and then acts like everybody is out to get him when he needs the support of those he just defecated on.
Just like John McCain, you still haven't learned who's in charge. McCain was a dead man walking (politically) after that, and I'm not referring to his Cancer. All McCain did was permanently stain his own legacy. No matter, Trump still managed to de-fang Obamacare by getting the mandate removed, which really made the whole plan impotent. Trump won anyway.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
HogDawg
Just like John McCain, you still haven't learned who's in charge. McCain was a dead man walking (politically) after that, and I'm not referring to his Cancer. All McCain did was permanently stain his own legacy. No matter, Trump still managed to de-fang Obamacare by getting the mandate removed, which really made the whole plan impotent. Trump won anyway.
Thank God that's not how this country works. And nobody who liked John McCain disliked him after his no vote. All the Trumpsters already hated him. McCain voted no because of another Trump broken promise...he had no replacement for Obamacare.
But, predictably, you spin all Trump's failures off on somebody else. Maybe in Russia Trump would be a great leader because he wouldn't actually have to lead. He could just dictate. That's not the way it works here. He has to LEAD. And that is something he's never shown an ability to do. He doesn't even really lead his followers...he just says whatever catch phrase Bannon or Hannity tells him will tickle the ears of his incredibly uncritical supporters.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
Thank God that's not how this country works. And nobody who liked John McCain disliked him after his no vote. All the Trumpsters already hated him. McCain voted no because of another Trump broken promise...he had no replacement for Obamacare.
But, predictably, you spin all Trump's failures off on somebody else. Maybe in Russia Trump would be a great leader because he wouldn't actually have to lead. He could just dictate. That's not the way it works here. He has to LEAD. And that is something he's never shown an ability to do. He doesn't even really lead his followers...he just says whatever catch phrase Bannon or Hannity tells him will tickle the ears of his incredibly uncritical supporters.
I disagree that Trump has broken promise after promise. IMO, Trump has KEPT more campaign promises than any other President in my lifetime, possibly including Reagan (not 100% sure about that one as I was a teenager and not following politics at the time, just girls.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
This is a good article and explains a lot of what happens in DC. Don't really follow this website, but a lot of what they say is true. . It's a long read, but very informative
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...is-running-out
Earlier today President Trump was again ‘subtle as a brick through a window’ in a tweet requesting the senate get serious in exposing Obamagate and the soft coup effort:
Unfortunately, due to the dynamics of the UniParty, Mitch McConnell is very unlikely to take any action to expose prior misconduct; it would be against McConnell’s interests.
The Senate was not a passive entity in the various hoaxes against President Trump. Factually, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and individual senators themselves, were active participants. As a result just like AG Barr knows any discussion of SSCI security director James Wolfe’s non prosecution would expose DOJ corruption, so too does Mitch McConnell know senate investigations would expose senate corruption in both parties.
Republican members like John McCain actively participated; and republican members like Richard Burr willfully allowed the framework to continue. Don’t forget it was Republican Senator Marco Rubio who first came to the defense of Democrat SSCI Vice-Chair Mark Warner when the covert communication with Chris Steele became evident.
In the big picture, the big ugly picture, republicans are just as complicit as democrats within all of the efforts to remove President Trump. To this day the GOP controlled Senate Intelligence Committee is still spitting out reports defending the previous administration and proclaiming the vast Russian election conspiracy is genuine and real (it isn’t)
How did the House write a $3 trillion legislative spending package when the legislators were not even in Washington DC? Short version: they didn’t, the lobbyists did.
President Trump’s administration is adverse to the interests of the entire DC political system. It’s a big club, and he’s confronting it. Mitch McConnell has no incentive to help President Trump.
Remember…. Congress does not write laws or legislation, special interest groups do. Lobbyists are paid, some very well paid, to get politicians to go along with the need of the legislative group.
When you are voting for a Congressional Rep or a U.S. Senator you are not voting for a person who will write laws. Your rep only votes on legislation to approve or disapprove of constructs that are written by outside groups and sold to them through lobbyists who work for those outside groups.
While all of this is happening the same outside groups who write the laws are providing money for the campaigns of the politicians they need to pass them. This construct sets up the quid-pro-quo of influence, although much of it is fraught with plausible deniability.
If Hillary Clinton had won the election, her Oval Office desk would be filled with legislation passed by congress which she would have been signing. Heck, she’d have writer’s cramp from all of the special interest legislation, driven by special interest groups that supported her campaign, that would be flowing to her desk.
Why?
Simply because the authors of the legislation, the originating special interest and lobbying groups, were spending millions to fund her campaign. Hillary Clinton would be signing K-Street constructed special interest legislation to repay all of those donors/investors.
Congress would be fast-tracking the passage because the same interest groups also fund the members of congress.
President Donald Trump winning the election threw a monkey wrench into the entire DC system…. In early 2017 the modern legislative machine was frozen in place.
The “America First” policies represented by candidate Donald Trump were not within the legislative constructs coming from the K-Street authors of the legislation. There were no MAGA lobbyists waiting on Trump ideology to advance legislation based on America First objectives.
As a result of an empty feeder system, in early 2017 congress had no bills to advance because all of the myriad of bills and briefs written were not in line with President Trump policy. There was simply no entity within DC writing legislation that was in-line with President Trump’s America-First’ economic and foreign policy agenda.
Exactly the opposite was true. All of the DC legislative briefs and constructs were/are antithetical to Trump policy. There were hundreds of file boxes filled with thousands of legislative constructs that became worthless when Donald Trump won the election.
Those legislative constructs (briefs) representing tens of millions of dollars worth of time and influence were just sitting there piled up in boxes under desks and in closets amid K-Street and the congressional offices. Legislation needed to be in-line with an entire new political perspective, and there was no-one, no special interest or lobbying group, currently occupying DC office space with any interest in synergy with Trump policy.
Think about the larger ramifications within that truism. That is also why there was/is so much opposition.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
McCain voted no because of another Trump broken promise...he had no replacement for Obamacare.
But....hadn't McCain already voted a few times to repeal Obamacare before Trump became President (and when there was also no replacement)?
Please do not try to portray him as a great and moral man who tried to do what was right. He was a petty and vindictive man, with a penchant for drama wherever it put him in the spotlight. I was no fan of Obama, but thank God every night we didn't have to go through a McCain Presidency.
Voted no because of Trump...indeed.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
Friscodawg, you never learn. These House stimulus packages are never written to actually be passed. Look to the Senate.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
FriscoDog
This is a good article and explains a lot of what happens in DC. Don't really follow this website, but a lot of what they say is true. . It's a long read, but very informative
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...is-running-out
Earlier today President Trump was again ‘subtle as a brick through a window’ in a tweet requesting the senate get serious in exposing Obamagate and the soft coup effort:
Unfortunately, due to the dynamics of the UniParty, Mitch McConnell is very unlikely to take any action to expose prior misconduct; it would be against McConnell’s interests.
The Senate was not a passive entity in the various hoaxes against President Trump. Factually, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and individual senators themselves, were active participants. As a result just like AG Barr knows any discussion of SSCI security director James Wolfe’s non prosecution would expose DOJ corruption, so too does Mitch McConnell know senate investigations would expose senate corruption in both parties.
Republican members like John McCain actively participated; and republican members like Richard Burr willfully allowed the framework to continue. Don’t forget it was Republican Senator Marco Rubio who first came to the defense of Democrat SSCI Vice-Chair Mark Warner when the covert communication with Chris Steele became evident.
In the big picture, the big ugly picture, republicans are just as complicit as democrats within all of the efforts to remove President Trump. To this day the GOP controlled Senate Intelligence Committee is still spitting out reports defending the previous administration and proclaiming the vast Russian election conspiracy is genuine and real (it isn’t)
How did the House write a $3 trillion legislative spending package when the legislators were not even in Washington DC? Short version: they didn’t, the lobbyists did.
President Trump’s administration is adverse to the interests of the entire DC political system. It’s a big club, and he’s confronting it. Mitch McConnell has no incentive to help President Trump.
Remember…. Congress does not write laws or legislation, special interest groups do. Lobbyists are paid, some very well paid, to get politicians to go along with the need of the legislative group.
When you are voting for a Congressional Rep or a U.S. Senator you are not voting for a person who will write laws. Your rep only votes on legislation to approve or disapprove of constructs that are written by outside groups and sold to them through lobbyists who work for those outside groups.
While all of this is happening the same outside groups who write the laws are providing money for the campaigns of the politicians they need to pass them. This construct sets up the quid-pro-quo of influence, although much of it is fraught with plausible deniability.
If Hillary Clinton had won the election, her Oval Office desk would be filled with legislation passed by congress which she would have been signing. Heck, she’d have writer’s cramp from all of the special interest legislation, driven by special interest groups that supported her campaign, that would be flowing to her desk.
Why?
Simply because the authors of the legislation, the originating special interest and lobbying groups, were spending millions to fund her campaign. Hillary Clinton would be signing K-Street constructed special interest legislation to repay all of those donors/investors.
Congress would be fast-tracking the passage because the same interest groups also fund the members of congress.
President Donald Trump winning the election threw a monkey wrench into the entire DC system…. In early 2017 the modern legislative machine was frozen in place.
The “America First” policies represented by candidate Donald Trump were not within the legislative constructs coming from the K-Street authors of the legislation. There were no MAGA lobbyists waiting on Trump ideology to advance legislation based on America First objectives.
As a result of an empty feeder system, in early 2017 congress had no bills to advance because all of the myriad of bills and briefs written were not in line with President Trump policy. There was simply no entity within DC writing legislation that was in-line with President Trump’s America-First’ economic and foreign policy agenda.
Exactly the opposite was true. All of the DC legislative briefs and constructs were/are antithetical to Trump policy. There were hundreds of file boxes filled with thousands of legislative constructs that became worthless when Donald Trump won the election.
Those legislative constructs (briefs) representing tens of millions of dollars worth of time and influence were just sitting there piled up in boxes under desks and in closets amid K-Street and the congressional offices. Legislation needed to be in-line with an entire new political perspective, and there was no-one, no special interest or lobbying group, currently occupying DC office space with any interest in synergy with Trump policy.
Think about the larger ramifications within that truism. That is also why there was/is so much opposition.
THIS
is the swamp!
Look at how these noble "public servants" get rich beyond their wildest dreams on salaries that should have them squarely in the middle class. Look at how RICH Elijah Cummings became after being appointed the head of a committee that allowed him to shake down corporations for contributions to his nonprofit enterprise, which got surprisingly mixed up with his "for profit" cash. We need a viable third party to shake things up....until they become part of the swamp, too.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
DawgyNWindow
Please do not try to portray him as a great and moral man who tried to do what was right. He was a petty and vindictive man, with a penchant for drama wherever it put him in the spotlight.
That description reminds me of someone....hmmmm
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
DawgyNWindow
THIS
is the swamp!
Look at how these noble "public servants" get rich beyond their wildest dreams on salaries that should have them squarely in the middle class. Look at how RICH Elijah Cummings became after being appointed the head of a committee that allowed him to shake down corporations for contributions to his nonprofit enterprise, which got surprisingly mixed up with his "for profit" cash. We need a viable third party to shake things up....until they become part of the swamp, too.
How rich did he become? Looks like his net worth at death was 1.3 million. Seems pretty modest for someone that worked nearly 60 years with almost 20 of those as an attorney.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
That description reminds me of someone....hmmmm
Good one.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
johnnylightnin
That description reminds me of someone....hmmmm
Hmmmmm.
Your whataboutism is noted.
But to be fair (which is more than someone eaten up with TDS deserves), Trump does love drama and the spotlight, and he is vindictive (most successful CEOs are), and has NEVER portrayed himself to be a great moralist.
To also be fair, he doesn't change his positions to earn the fake love and admiration of his enemies like McCain did. The stuff Trump is saying today is the same stuff he has been saying for 30 years.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
Good one.
Yeah, you would appreciate it. It was like a Pee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I" thing.
Re: Presidential Election 2020
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Originally Posted by
Guisslapp
How rich did he become? Looks like his net worth at death was 1.3 million. Seems pretty modest for someone that worked nearly 60 years with almost 20 of those as an attorney.
No matter what, we can always depend on you to be an apologist for Dems and The Swamp.
I don't buy the $1.3 million net worth for Cummings. That might be the legal portion of his estate...
