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That's not true...if it was, he would be attacking Trump in FL instead of Rubio. If Trump wins FL, Ted has no path. He's got some decent wins, but he's headed to a part of the country where he's not likely to win as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Trumps candidacy is bad news for the republicans. His nomination would be a sure win for dems. A brokered convention might secure the same results, but if the GOP wants to survive, they have to oust Trump. They would rather he start a 3rd party than be forced to start one themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by nadB
The way he's reeling, they may have a great argument for a brokered convention.
This is what he said just before Rubio won Minnesota:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
"For the candidates who have not yet won a state, who have not racked up significant delegates, I ask you to prayerfully consider uniting. For those who have supported other candidates, we welcome you on our team standing as one."
Then he said this Saturday night: "as long as the field remains divided, it gives Donald an advantage."
This is the current delegate count with a divided field:
Trump: 384
Cruz: 300
Rubio: 151
Kasich: 37
Carson: 8
Bush: 4
Fiorina: 1
Huckabee: 1
Cruz is saying he would win big if he could get all the anti-Trump delegates for one candidate. If there are other options, it helps Trump. He could beat Trump head to head in every state because Trump is such a bad candidate and has very high unfavorables.
I know what he said, but that's not what he's doing. His current strategy, if effective, will hand FL to Trump. It might knock Rubio out, but it will also cut Cruz off from getting 1237. And, with Kasich strong in OH, where do you think Rubio votes will go if he's knocked out by Cruz?
If Kasich wins OH, he's not going anywhere.
So they are hoping for something like this to happen:
Delegate count:
Trump: 1,000
Cruz: 700
Rubio: 300
Kasich: 150
Hope GOP gives Rubio or Kasich the nomination? That is outrageous. There would be a revolt.
There's already a revolt. I don't know who's hoping for what, but nobody can force the delegates to do one thing or another after that first vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Very unlikely, in the scenario you described, that a current candidate would get the nod.
If I were betting, I'd say it's most likely that nobody breaks 900. We'll see. Cruz's strategy, should it work, would put him somewhere north of 1100. I suppose he's trying to position himself as the guy who SHOULD be handed the nomination.
Make no mistake, if no one gets to 1237, the nomination is being handed to someone who failed to earn it.
Like Mitt Romney. That would certainly blow up the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Again, the party has already blown up. What now?Quote:
Originally Posted by barkly
Conservative revolution with Ted Cruz! This is headed for a RINO revolution to overthrow a Democrat supporter from taking over the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The hatred of Cruz and Regan conservatism is the problem here.
Cruz couldn't garner wide support because he was a bull in the china shop in the senate. Great ideas and a poor disposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Not saying you're wrong, just saying that Cruz has a lot to do with that.
We need more bulls in that particular china shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Actually Vitter was close to being one too and our own voters here in Louisiana didn't even know it.
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Originally Posted by maddawg
Perhaps, but if the bull can't get back to the china shop because he's alienated a bunch of folks who would be his allies, then I have to question his strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
I reject the notion that the establishment hates Cruz more than Trump, but I do think Cruz gives most folks pause because his track record is that of a destroyer, not a creator.
The Vitter analogy isn't a bad one. Too much baggage to garner wide acceptance. In both instances, I think the GOP leadership failed. If the establishment had backed Rubio and pressured Kasich out, the delegate count would be about even between Cruz and Rubio (Cruz would still be ahead). The leadership couldn't get their crap together and they both appear to be on path to give the executive spot to a democrat.
The leadership of the Republican establishment has done in the Republican Party. By completely alienating its base, the Republican Party has made certain that it will never again be what it once was. Even if Trump or Cruz wins in November, the GOP is finished. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin