...yeah, but he is a nationalist. He hates Israel right?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Printable View
...yeah, but he is a nationalist. He hates Israel right?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
What does hating Israel have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Nationalism - noun
- identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
His interest in Israel seems more to do with where the US embassy is located and catering to some fringe Christian evangelical beliefs about fulfilling some preconditions for a second coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
So? Israel was just one example of him NOT being a nationalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Fringe Christian evangelical beliefs? You qualified that one didn't you?:laugh:
Israel is Trump playing to the base. He believes his supporters want him to love Israel, so he acts like he does. Just like he thinks his supporters want him cheerleading the confederacy.
Trump may not be a nationalist, but that doesn't mean that his election isn't a nationalist experiment. Look at his biggest cheerleaders: Bannon and Carlson.
All you anti-"nationalist" need to go find another country to live in. That way you can express your hatred for America as a foreign national...oh wait! You can't be an anything "national." Oh well, find an abandon island and start your own...commune. That way instead of referring to yourself as a "nationalist," in your commune you can call yourself a "communist." That label already fits some of you.
Don't worry 80...nationalism doesn't work. We've got 3.5 years of proof. The voters know it.
Socialism/communism doesn't work, we've got 100+ years of proof. The voters know that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Those are not the options. Both are collectivism and anti-American. Here’s hoping the GOP can recover from this blunder so that somebody will champion individual liberty again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
You really have faith in the GOP? Yeah, they are the lesser of two evils, granted, but save for a few, like Congressman Jim Jordan, and even Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been a pleasant surprise, the GOP is just the Swamp-lite. I am now a "No Party" registered voter. In case you didn't know, there is an actual "Independent Party" so if you change to that you are still technically in a political party. If Goosey is an example of the Libertarian Party, I want no part of that for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Individual liberty? Hmmm....please, pray tell, how has President Trump infringed on your individual liberty?
I do know he has removed 38,000 pages of regulations on business, put there by obummer, and it has been small businesses that have benefited the most from it. Hard to see how that infringes on their individual liberty. But, perhaps you can explain it. I can go anywhere, do anything....well, except for the China Virus restrictions at the moment, which YOU advocate for more of....another hmmmm....maybe it is YOU infringing on individual liberty, eh. Prior to the great "crisis" hoax, as an American I traveled where I wanted, when I wanted, how I wanted, with whom I wanted...all while Trump was POTUS. I started a new business and helped several others start theirs, thanks to reduced regulations...all while Trump was POTUS. I associated with whomever I wanted to too. Some American citizens, some visitors, and a few here legally on a visa...all while Trump was POTUS. I bought and sold stuff, I shopped where and when I wanted. I visited family in Texas, Kansas, Georgia, and Florida...no restrictions on travel...all while Trump was POTUS.
I guess I missed the infringement on my "individual liberty" part. Perhaps you can enlighten me. Thanks.
Gotta get back to that good old "free trade".Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
That's where we tax our corporations higher than the rest of the world, impose higher minimum wages on them, force them to provide government-determined benefits to their employees, force them to comply with environmental regulations they would not have to comply with in places wishing to be competitive, subject them to a legal system that is predisposed to frivolous lawsuits where they become the "deep pocket" transgressor....and then send them out there to "compete" in a "free market". This system worked to create a great middle class in China and help them fund their military (with the stated goal of overtaking us as the global superpower).
That horrible old nationalist Trump has slowed them down a bit, but I am sure they are ready to catch up. I am sure Mitch McConnell is ready to get back to work!
No, I don't have any confidence in the GOP...especially considering how quickly they took up the nationalist/nativist banner just so Trump wouldn't dunk on them on Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Trump has routinely attacked the first amendment in various ways...as well as the 8th and 14th. But my point is more about the post-Trump GOP. Trump has neither the conviction or the skill to implement lasting nationalistic governmental changes (thank God). The question is what does the lone anti-socialist opposition party become when he's gone. If it goes the way of Tucker Carlson, we'll have two parties that value the state over the individual. Both brands of nationalism (socialist and "conservative") hold that the locus of power is in the state, not the individual. it's anti-American.
The 14th needs a little tweaking...
I don't see where he has violated the 1st or the 8th Amendments. Attacked? If anything his 1st Amendments rights have been infringed by Twitter and some other media. But he has not interfered in others' right. On the 8th he is not in the judicial. If anything some of his associates have had their 8th Amendment rights denied, such as Roger Stone, and Paul Manafort, and General Michael Flynn.
If the GOP would grow a pair and stand with our gallant President we'd all be better off. Instead the Swampers prefer to protect their turf. As for the "old GOP" they got their ass kicked with lousy McCain and Romney. Maybe the new GOP will be more pro-America(ns). The Democraps are anti-America.
That is what makes him the best and great POTUS in my life time. He is working for the citizens of the USA, Making America Great Again !Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin