South Endzone Complex Daily Progress Report

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Originally Posted by Dawgpix

The oil' standard for a church to expand is 80% capacity of their worship center. If the current capacity of The Joe is 26,000, then consistent attendance at Ruston needs to be 20,800 fans. Then stadium seating capacity would be justified.

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When its a TRUE 21,000...

And we all know that we believe in ministerial estimates at TECH -

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Originally Posted by BulldawgMom

Haha! Ok....... but the question wasn't about how Dan Mullen wins football games (or not) .....it was, How has he succeeded in unifying a fan base to fill a stadium for 4 years straight in a God-forsaken place like Starkville, MS. This electric atmosphere and excitement has brought in much more money through donations than in SEC money. (i.e. The Leo Seal Football Facility mentioned in the article was financed for the most part by an enormous donation of 1 individual).

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That article was written in 2012 when MSU was 7-0 and ranked in the Top 25. They won one more game that season and finished 8-5. That writer believed that Mullen and MSU was on to greater things and then they flopped. Don't you think that MSU fans will expect more than 4-4 in the SEC? Maybe they won't, since MSU's only SEC championship was 73 years ago.

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Originally Posted by DONW

That article was written in 2012 when MSU was 7-0 and ranked in the Top 25. They won one more game that season and finished 8-5. That writer believed that Mullen and MSU was on to greater things and then they flopped. Don't you think that MSU fans will expect more than 4-4 in the SEC? Maybe they won't, since MSU's only SEC championship was 73 years ago.

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And isn't that the point? 4-4 in SEC play yet still 30 consecutive stadium sellouts...........

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Originally Posted by BulldawgMom

And isn't that the point? 4-4 in SEC play yet still 30 consecutive stadium sellouts...........

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Is 4-4 acceptable to the MSU fanbase?

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

Is 4-4 acceptable to the MSU fanbase?

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Can't say anyone LIKES 4-4, but it is what it is. This year MSU's SEC schedule is LSU, Alabama, A&M, Auburn, Kentucky, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss. Anything better than 4-4 means having to beat Alabama, A&M, LSU or Auburn.......Which of these would you put your money on?

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Originally Posted by BulldawgMom

Can't say anyone LIKES 4-4, but it is what it is. This year MSU's SEC schedule is LSU, Alabama, A&M, Auburn, Kentucky, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss. Anything better than 4-4 means having to beat Alabama, A&M, LSU or Auburn.......Which of these would you put your money on?

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Hope springs eternal!

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Originally Posted by BulldawgMom

Can't say anyone LIKES 4-4, but it is what it is. This year MSU's SEC schedule is LSU, Alabama, A&M, Auburn, Kentucky, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss. Anything better than 4-4 means having to beat Alabama, A&M, LSU or Auburn.......Which of these would you put your money on?

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A&M gets my vote. Is it in Starkville?

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Originally Posted by Houston Techsan

A&M gets my vote. Is it in Starkville?

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Yup- A&M and Auburn are home games this year. :smash: (cowbell)

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

When its a TRUE 21,000...

And we all know that we believe in ministerial estimates at TECH -

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Thanks for the anointment. Can I kiss the ring now??? :)

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Originally Posted by Houston Techsan

Note that those games were in Shreveport not JAS. The question was about JAS. We have never had 30K in JAS.

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The question was, "What is the maximum number of seats do you think we will ever need at JAS?"

Had we played several of those games in JAS instead of Indy Stadium, we would have sold out the 30K and needed more seating. Too many of our fans forget we've played our biggest games in Shreveport in front of some big crowds.

I think we should be playing Grambling once every four years at JAS, and I think we should be playing Southern once every four years at JAS. There were 35K at Indy Stadium for our Grambling game in 2010. It would definitely be a SRO crowd in Ruston. Why are we not doing this?

I for one certainly hope we will eventually need to expand JAS. "Never" is a long time. Our enrollment is expected to grow to 15K by 2020. We've yet to string together three consecutive winning seasons at the FBS level, I think. If we build a consistent winner, it would do wonders for our attendance. The Big 12 could implode 10 years from now. Who knows the future of conference realignment? The future of LSUS is in doubt, and it's possible in the near future that we takeover another campus including 4K students overnight. It was very close to happening a year or so ago. With online education gaining popularity, regional non-research universities like ULM, Grambling, LSUS, NWST, LSUA, McNeese, Nicholls, SELA, Southern, and SUNO could have a hard time keeping their doors open 15 years from now. One Cat 5 hurricane after Tom Benson is gone, and the Saints could relocate to San Antonio or LA leaving Louisiana without an NFL team. Who knows? But to assume the status quo and to not have any contingency expansion plans does not seem very wise to me, which is one of the reasons I thought it was a poor decision to excavate the hill and put a building in its place.

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Originally Posted by Dawg06

one of the reasons I thought it was a poor decision to excavate the hill and put a building in its place.

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B,b,b,but .... recruiting! Stuff! We need stuff or no boys will like us!

You can always eliminate the street around JAS and expand up.

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Originally Posted by Dawg06

But to assume the status quo and to not have any contingency expansion plans does not seem very wise to me, which is one of the reasons I thought it was a poor decision to excavate the hill and put a building in its place.

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What makes you assume there are no contingency expansion plans? I think the SEZ plan was one of the best uses of the that area, and can still allow for future expansion along either side and on-top if needed. At this point it would be a waste of money to go beyond conceptual or preliminary designs as they would just have to be redone after sitting on the shelf for multiple years as contingency. Either way, the admin is working on master facility/campus plans that should be rolled out in the near future.

From May 10th post:

http://guiceblog.latech.edu/2014/05/...ity-president/

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I left this meeting for a noon presentation at the Ruston Rotary Club and returned back to campus for a preview meeting with our campus master planning team, Sasaki and Associates.
Sasaki continued their meeting on Thursday with an overview of their current thoughts about future campus developments including our athletics facilities. Our administrative team is very pleased with the exciting vision that they are developing for the future of our campus.

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Originally Posted by GermDawg

What makes you assume there are no contingency expansion plans? I think the SEZ plan was one of the best uses of the that area, and can still allow for future expansion along either side and on-top if needed. At this point it would be a waste of money to go beyond conceptual or preliminary designs as they would just have to be redone after sitting on the shelf for multiple years as contingency. Either way, the admin is working on master facility/campus plans that should be rolled out in the near future.

From May 10th post:

http://guiceblog.latech.edu/2014/05/...ity-president/

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How many of these "master plans" have Tech devised? How many have been completed as designed?

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Originally Posted by Amos Moses

How many of these "master plans" have Tech devised? How many have been completed as designed?

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0 have been devised, we always piecemeal it together, i.e. Residential Life doing Park Place/University Park, Research doing Enterprise Campus/Tech Pointe, COES/CAB new Business Building, University Hall, and COES expansion, Ruston/Tech Homer Street Expansion, Athletics doing SEZ & Q4E, etc.

We haven't had an overriding Campus Master Plan, also a Conceptual design/plan is never built as originally designed. Often they are updated and refined during Preliminary Design/FEED where they undergo more detailed Constructability Analysis.