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Look to your left and right to see the "un-gullible" Americans. It's a mixture of self declared elites, socialist, and unproductive citizens who lack critical thinking skills. Pretty much a bunch of followers who have never put anything together in their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Like Guiss and me?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Do you or have you ever owned your own business? Managed people involved in a business?Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
You've stated many times you don't believe in the capitalist system so my take on you is that you've never been responsible for helping others better themselves through their work or through community involvement. You define a modern day democrat. Guiss is nothing like you.
Where the blazes did you get the idea I wasn't a capitalist? I'm a venture capitalist who invest in early stage growth companies. I've done small potatoes business like rental and home building. Unfortunately, my personal circumstances didn't permit me to start any larger scale ventures not that I'm complaining. And yes, I've done plenty of community service.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I thought Guiss was a lawyer.
You've taken many many stances over the years that prove you are a socialist. You continue to do it today. Of course you don't mind participating in capitalism. Socialist never turn down a chance to make a buck, you just want government to control those who have more success than you. You've never done anything but complain about less government and more opportunities for small business.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
You are so funny. Name one "stance" that I've taken over the years that is socialist.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Obamacare being good for America.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
The fact that the Republican controlled senate is unable to enact legislation that would repeal and replace Obamacare is not proof that the American people "think it's good for America". It's simply proof that the Republican Party is as corrupt as the Democrat Party. As a lifelong Republican, I readily admit that today, it's a sorry bunch of SOB's that run what was once a grand old party. I recognize this and I am finished with them. You, on the other hand, continue to turn a blind eye to the absolute corruption of Hillary, BHO, and other Democrat leaders. You're as big a part of our problems as those corrupt politicians are. When liberals like yourself can excuse the DNC of stealing the Democratic nomination from a particular candidate and handing it instead to their "chosen" one, you've lost you're ability to think for yourself. Their propaganda has brainwashed you and you are a lost cause.
Are you talking to me or Guiss?
I'm an independent voter and could care less about either major political party.
I would say more but the censor would just delete it.
Salty, my new pal, I tell you this as a friend. You (and Goosey) keep trying to make the case you are an independent and an independent thinker. But, taken as a whole over the years, your expressed views are mostly (like 90%) left of center. On occasion you take a moderate, or even slightly right of center position on an issue, but that is rare. And, to be honest, even I, a friend, questioned the sincerity of your expressed view. Like you were just yanking our chain pretending to be conservative.
Goosey, on the other hand, has exhibited no redeeming qualities. He can proclaim his independence all he wants, but his own words expose him as the libtard he is.
The major economic difference between us is that you think that 19th century capitalism is the way to go and I think that 21st century capitalism is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
D80, thanks for considering me your pal. I admit that while I'm a political independent, I was once a republican and a democrat. My first vote was for Richard Nixon (LOLs). I'm conservative on fiscal issues like a balanced budget. These days it seems that republicans could care less for a balanced budget. Like most Americans, I'm liberal on supporting social programs like social security and medicare. I support policy decisions based on science like climate change caused by greenhouse gases.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I'm partial to 20th century capitalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg
19th century was too owner-centered, with total disregard for the employees. Henry Ford was the first bigtime industrialist to make significant changes. Many of his ideas we still use today. Have you seen that awesome series The Men who Built America documentary? It was on A&E, maybe the History Channel. I love it. Incredibly successful capitalists: Carnegie, Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan. But, they were TOO focused on building their personal wealth and lost sight of their own humanity. Well...until late in their lives when they became philanthropists.
I'm not sure what "21st century capitalism" is supposed to be, but it smells like socialism to me. Perhaps you can explain it.
21st capitalism is where, because of the complexity and advancement of modern technology, the government has to guide the direction that the free market economy follows. Take, for example, artifical intelligence. Elon Musk just stated the other day that AI poses a serious threat to humanity and that the development of that technology needs to be guided. Another example would be climate change caused by greenhouse gases.
OR was their inability to pass something a biproduct of their fearless leader insisting that they "fix" the system, but keep its fatal flaw?Quote:
Originally Posted by brtransplant