I guess both major candidates were socialists in 2016.
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I guess both major candidates were socialists in 2016.
Anybody who thinks the pre-ex clause is a "good thing" has socialist leanings. Some actually believe it is good while others know removing it is a deal killer. Either way, we are stuck with it thanks to the PC world we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The rumor is that Jesus Christ if in favor of the pre-ex clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
fixed it for you!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You missed the point or conveniently forgot that Trump favors keeping pre-existing condition coverage which PD defined as socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD
If y'all EVER measured Trump with the same stick you measure HRC, you'd see why so many of us are baffled by the unconditional support he gets.
None of the candidates other than Paul and Cruz were for getting rid of the pre-ex clause. You've beaten that horse to death and I've replied to it many times. His support is not unconditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Hey man, it's your criteria! Y'all just quit telling me that this "socialist" (again, your description) is a conservative savior. He ain't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I've never said that he was. I've said from day one that he was the best of the two choices and that upsets you for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
My criteria has always been to repeal...period! However I realized when the GOP candidates were all running that it would not happen and that the worst part of Obamacare (the pre-ex) was here forever.
Nobody can argue that the pre-ex clause is purely socialist.
No, that doesn't upset me (although it's patently untrue that we only have two choices).Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
It upset me that the GOP voters had a massive double-standard with Trump. Had a democrat said the things he had, they would've been lined up with torches. It upset me that this guy who advocated not only for the pre-ex clause but also for the individual mandate was essentially given a pass. Those who called him on it were marginalized as elites who wouldn't go along to get along.
But, what upsets me most is that Trump is now the "standard bearer" for conservatism and he's blowing it. My fear has always been that he would do far more damage to conservatism than HRC (who I didn't vote for) because he has no conservative convictions. He put himself forward as some deal maker who could get things done so idiological promiscuity was swept under the rug. Now he's showing that his negotiating skills are all reality TV BS and he has no conservative answers to the problems of liberalism because he's not a conservative.
I'm saying that if folks who voted for him as the lesser of two evils don't start pointing out where he diverges from conservatism, you'll have no leg to stand on once the Trump experiment is over and all we've got to show for it is a good SCOTUS appointment (which Gorsuch certainly is). The DNC is reeling and the GOP can't capitalize because it's being led by someone with no conviction or vision.
It's sad.
It's sad because the GOP needed to be blown up. Nobody, especially the establishment, thought it could happen. It has. That will be a good thing in the end. We will finally be closer to a true three party system. Not there yet, but closer.
Yes, it is sad that the GOP has sunk to the same level as the rest of the corrupt DC establishment. We wised up to their being conservative at election time, only to end up being no different from the socialist Democrats once elected. We elected Trump to drain the swamp of its corrupt politicians, not because we thought he was a conservative icon. John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and many others need to be run out of DC on a rail. Only Trump had the guts to call out the DC establishment, and that's why he's our president today.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
If you're gonna make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. Critics of Trump can only see the broken eggs and are lamenting "what a mess." The rest of us can see where he's trying to go. Of course, continuing with this analogy, the DC establishment is hiding the frying pan, and standing between Trump and the stove trying to thwart his efforts to make that omelet.
What has he done to drain the swamp? Genuine question. What has Trump done to eliminate the corrupt DC establishment since his election?
My List...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Firing Comey
Eliminated TPP
Cut Many Business Regulations
Pushed through "controversial" pipelines.
I don't believe many if any of the above would have been accomplished under any other GOP candidate (Paul and Cruz maybe) and with Hillary we know for certain they would not have been done. We'd also be stuck with another flaming liberal justice.
You think those things will fundamentally change the way that Washington works?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg