The Da Vinci Code

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Originally Posted by THE RED

However, my point throughout the whole thread has been...the basis for the book, which the author says is true, is not.

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OK, I understand what you are saying. But it is like writing a fact page in a fictional book. It isn't real.

My point is the "fact page" of the book was written as fiction. And anybody that asks him "what would you change" about a book (I heard today has sold over 65,000,000 copies) that has made him more money than he could ever dream about is not very bright. I mean, would you have asked Sam Walton "What would you have done to make your stores have a more upscale clientel?" You wouldn't! Becasue Sam Walton was not trying to cater to an upscale clientel. Sam Walton and Dan Brown both made/making alot of money from what they did. Why would they ever change anything reguardless of what the question is?

(WOW! 40mil copies to 65mil copies in a week. Maybe if there wasn't all this talk about it that extra 25mil wouldn't have been sold. I guess that's another 25mil people that we will have to save from the pits of hell because they don't understand the difference between fiction and nonfiction.)

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Originally Posted by THE RED

Secondly, I am not going to read the book or see the movie for that matter. But, just because I havent read the book, doesnt mean what I have said is not true. As a matter of fact, as I said in the opening post, The information that I am going off of was presented in a two week series my pastor did on the book. He used outside resources and opinions of Christian reviews and phds to gather his information.

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just because someone tells you something is true doesn't mean it is.

i suggest you actually take the time to read the book before making a judgment. after all, you are in college. college is not meant for you to learn by spoon feeding. that is for elementary school. you should take the time to educate yourself. that's what higher education is about.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Very cute! :shocked2: Who is that ?

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OH PUHLEASE tell me your JOKING!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by THE RED

First of all, I am not stupid, I know that the murder plot, mystery, whatever is not true, therefore making the book FICTION. However, my point throughout the whole thread has been...the basis for the book, which the author says is true, is not. I have not said the actual murder story line is true....just the "fact" basis of the book.

Secondly, I am not going to read the book or see the movie for that matter. But, just because I havent read the book, doesnt mean what I have said is not true. As a matter of fact, as I said in the opening post, The information that I am going off of was presented in a two week series my pastor did on the book. He used outside resources and opinions of Christian reviews and phds to gather his information.

I understand that you may think I do not have valid points because i have not read the book, but just know that my information is coming from what i consider a valid source. It's just up to you whether or not you want to consider it or discount it as not true.
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I am assuming that the "facts" that you speak of not being true would be that Jesus was married to Mary. Can you prove it Untrue? Just curious. Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was a single man?

I read a book one time called "River God" by Wilbur Smith. A very good read by the way. It was a book on Ancient Eygpt. At the end of the book, he stated that the story I had just finished had been found in a tomb written on scrolls and buried for thousands of years until recently. Everything was written identical except for liberties he had taken to use modern references for clarity. I tried finding out if this was really the case, but later realized the reason he did that was a lead in for his next novel.

Thanks for that example Dawgbitten! That's what we've been saying! Just b/c a fiction book labels something as true (and whether or not the author believes what is in his FICTION book) doesn't make it necessarily true.

Aside from all of this, if a person wouldn't be able to enjoy reading a book because they're worried that it might make them question their personal beliefs then they shouldn't read it. Although I've been taught that questions are good. If your faith can't handle your questions then there is serious problem and i promise it's not with the questions...

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Originally Posted by Dawgbitten

I am assuming that the "facts" that you speak of not being true would be that Jesus was married to Mary. Can you prove it Untrue? Just curious. Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was a single man?

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The only reason why I find it fishy is because of all the people that knew Jesus and all the books and historical knowledge of him, all they can come up with is a conspiracy theory that he was married. You would think that there would be stone cold proof. You would think that out of the many eyewitnesses and close friends that Jesus had, somebody would have seen something and it would have became known to everyone. I dont think there were many people in on a secret and they all kept it covered. Jesus being married would have leaked with as many people that had close personal contact with him, IMO. I dont know of any stone cold proof but somebody might.

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Originally Posted by Dawgbitten

I am assuming that the "facts" that you speak of not being true would be that Jesus was married to Mary. Can you prove it Untrue? Just curious. Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was a single man?

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The Bible doesn't say what Jesus did between birth and age 12... Can you prove he didn't swim to America, teach the indians to tap dance, invent a primitive airplane powered exclusively by frankensense(sp?)and fly back to meet with the temple elders?

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Originally Posted by Dawgbitten

I am assuming that the "facts" that you speak of not being true would be that Jesus was married to Mary. Can you prove it Untrue? Just curious. Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was a single man?

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in the entire library of religious works written in or near the time of Jesus there is not a single mention of Him being married. even in these books that were too radical to be canonized there is no mention of marriage. don't you think that something of that import might slip into some document of the time? we know alexander the great, caesar, octavian, herod, peter, ect...were married their wives were mentioned as their wives...even the document that claims Jesus kissed mary doesn't say that they were married.

what if i were to say that julius caesar was a latin-speaking, highly-intelligent shaved gorilla...it says nowhere in the historical record that he wasn't...can you prove that untrue? the argument of "can you prove it untrue" could just as easily be applied to any historical figure.

It is said in one of the non-cannonised Gospels that Mary was Jesus' companion. Companion meant marriage.

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Originally Posted by Dawgbitten

It is said in one of the non-cannonised Gospels that Mary was Jesus' companion. Companion meant marriage.

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In the greek, that is a true statement. But the gnostic gospel where you find that wasn't written in GREEK!

You know, if you can't trust Dan Brown to get the number of glass panes in the pyramid right (he says 666, the Louvre states 673) then how can you trust much else in the book? I mean, that should be a pretty verifiable fact, shouldn't it?

Let’s dive into Dawgbitten’s head and look around for a minute at all the empty spaces..

IMO, Jesus was sent to earth to learn more about man. It is obvious to me that God can not understand man's sin. Jesus was sent for this mission, to learn.

Let’s take a look at sin. Think of every sin that you can think of. I can put them under three Needs that cause such sin.

• Need for Food/resources- Greed. Gluttony. Selfishness and a host of others. All stem back from our early days of meager survival. The instinct is born in us to overeat in case the next meal doesn’t come easy. Acquiring of resources better ensures one’s survival. What causes one to steal? What causes one to envy? The more one has, the better chances of one’s survival. The same is true today. It is also the reason the richer class of people kick the poorer people in our society. Survival of the fittest. In the animal kingdom, the lower one’s status in a pack, the lesser of chance that one gets to eat.
• Need for sex/reproduction- Vanity. The better one looks, the better chances of reproduction. Cheating on spouses, sex without marriage, lust, porn, and the list goes on. All in the name of spreading one’s DNA. The more attractive qualities a male/female species has, the better her chances of survival and reproduction. Yes, we still look for those qualities in the opposite sex that ensure easier survival.
• Need for power/alpha male female- I always love watching the documentaries where the young wolf tries to become alpha male. The alpha male position, if acquired, entitles that one to food and reproduction. Sometimes that power corrupts or the desire to acquire that power leads to murder or a host of other sins. The old alpha male is sometimes outcast from the pack in some species. Ever hear of the commandment: Honor thy father and mother? That means don’t disregard them later in life. Take care of them when they are elderly.

So I see sin as basically the laws that divide our race from the animal kingdom and allow us to have a civilized society. Jesus came to this world to preach against the brutality that is the nature of all of us. To evolve into a better species.

To understand sin he would have to know about all of the temptations. He spent 40 days in the desert without food or resources. He was an alpha male with disciples who worshipped him. So to completely understand the lust for sex and the sex drive, I have to believe that he was married.

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Originally Posted by TechDawgFan

In the greek, that is a true statement. But the gnostic gospel where you find that wasn't written in GREEK!

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What was it written in then?

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Originally Posted by Dawgbitten

What was it written in then?

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The passage comes from the Gospel of Philip and is believed to have been written around 180-250 AD. The only manuscript found was written in Coptic (ancient Egyptian) and was found in the Nag Hammadi library which was buried in the Egyptian desert around 400 AD. Scholars do not know the origianal language, but many believe it was written in Syriac due to the presence of Syriac words and baptismal practices of that region.

Chris