Immigration

Or are you waiting on Fox and Trump to decide how they would feel about that, so you can just go along with what they think?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

That is what DNW suggested - that Trump was using this as political leverage for border security. If so, don't you think that is disgusting?

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...g7mXDA4uIv7TUg

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Democrats govern poorly and republicans seem incapable of governing at all. This should shake that up.

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That's because the GOP has been hijacked by anti-govt libertines. What was once the party of limited government has become the party of negligible government.

You cant discuss the merits of good policy with people who categorically dismiss policy. When you put folks who don't believe in governing in charge of governing, don't be surprised when governing doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

That's because the GOP had been hijacked by anti-govt libertines. What was once the party of limited government has become the party of negligible government.

You cant discuss the merits of good policy with people who categorically dismiss policy. When you put folks who don't believe in governing in charge of governing, don't be surprised when governing doesn't happen.

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FIFY

Now they've got an authoritarian bent...which makes sense as anti-establishmentism always leads to frustration and doubling down, but doesn't lead to real change.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

So, just to confirm - you guys would not support a legislative equivalent of DACA if no border security is tied to it?

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I would not.

And just to confirm - you are for opening the borders completely and giving benefits to everyone regardless of their intentions.

Fix the immigration system.

And I guess you are in favor of governing entirely by executive order as well. I am sure Trump will be happy to hear you stand beside him!

Here's all you liberals favorite mayor protecting his people in the city with more deadly crime than any other city in the country. Is this called "being political." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...tm_medium=push

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

I would not.

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Perhaps the best evidence that humans don't have a "soul".

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Perhaps the best evidence that humans don't have a "soul".

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actually, I want them to get a path to citizenship and to stop being used as pawns by both parties. I guess I should not have expected you to understand.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

actually, I want them to get a path to citizenship and to stop being used as pawns by both parties. I guess I should not have expected you to understand.

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No, you said you don't support DACA. Are you sure you know Jesus? Lol

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1BG2ZK

I don't think we should boot out people who are now adults and were children when their parents illegally brought them here. They have known no other nation. But, if we don't fix our problem of porous borders, we will have this situation over and over. It's very obvious that we have many in this nation who think we should have NO immigration laws. Just open the borders to any and everyone and forget it.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Seriously, who wants to throw these people out? And why? Just because they don't "deserve" to be here. Apart from being a little less lucky to not be born here, what have they done to be less deserving than your own children or grandchildren? This is just psychopathic xenophobia.

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The reason to send them home is they are here illegally. They take away opportunities that US citizens should be given. They are burdens to the community to raise them. Personally, if they come legally I am fine with it. But since the 1980s, the open borders and dreamers are ruining the American dream for americans.

As the only Trump supporter who called it right when he annouced, he could trade amnesty for daca as long as they build a ****ing huge wall where we won't have another million daca in the future. Secure the border with a wall and send back anyone caught. It's a good deal.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Do we need immigration reform or not? Is the constitution still relevant? This isn't about feelings.

Time for congress to step up or step aside. I don't care about their feelings either.

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obummer ILLEGALLY used an executive order to create DACA. obummer himself said the POTUS does not have such power, in a town hall he did in 2011. obummer acted....the executive order....because congress wouldn't do anything about immigration. That was the democrap-controlled congress, Dirty Harry and Ditzy Nancy.

Now, all Trump did was undo that unconstitutional executive order. Trump is ONLY one right (in DC) on this issue. I like what some guy just said on FOX. Trump has pulled the pin on a grenade and rolled it into Congress, saying "deal with it!"

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Originally Posted by dawg80

obummer ILLEGALLY used an executive order to create DACA. obummer himself said the POTUS does not have such power, in a town hall he did in 2011. obummer acted....the executive order....because congress wouldn't do anything about immigration. That was the democrap-controlled congress, Dirty Harry and Ditzy Nancy.

Now, all Trump did was undo that unconstitutional executive order. Trump is ONLY one right (in DC) on this issue. I like what some guy just said on FOX. Trump has pulled the pin on a grenade and rolled it into Congress, saying "deal with it!"

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More like he strapped a suicide vest on 800,000 upstanding immigrant children who have done nothing wrong and marched them into Congress. I predict they will disarm it and send it back to Trump. What is he going to do with it when it comes back without his increased border security gift? That is the question.