We can have both a limited but broad and diverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
I guessing you're assuming I'm thinking along the lines of race and sex? Most do.
No, like many other things,voting rights need to be earned, not given.
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We can have both a limited but broad and diverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
I guessing you're assuming I'm thinking along the lines of race and sex? Most do.
No, like many other things,voting rights need to be earned, not given.
I agree that voting rights should be earned. You've got millions of people voting today that couldn't even tell you what the three branches of the federal govt are.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
You wouldn't trust a mechanic who didn't know what an engine was. You wouldn't let him near your truck!Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
No, I didn't think you would approve of limiting voting based along those lines. I assumed you meant education level, passing a test, or something similar, but I may have been off base. I am curious though--how would you limit voting, if you could decide?Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
Controlling who votes may be easier than persuading voters to change their minds, but like practically every other issue, our country probably is too divided to reach an accord about it.
You have to pay taxes to vote. Is that fair? Probably not, but we are getting to the point where non-tax payers outnumber tax payers. Of course they are going to vote themselves money.
I mean it by earned.The few thoughts I have put on it is honorable military service of any length of time; 5-years in Peace Corps; 5-years of federal government service; no one younger than 25; probably some test of understanding and knowledge.There are people much smarter than me that can come up with better ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
I have zero problem with there being a division. As you know, I'm not exactly ultra-one-way-or-another with left and right. But the division needs to be less on emotion ("I feel") and more on fact ("I know").
But, everyone pays taxes. There is no such thing as a non-tax payer.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
And I would disagree about there being a required financial "skin in the game" aspect.
If you can't read and write english, don't pay taxes and don't own property you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period!
And yes I would go back to those items as a measuring stick on voting in our country in a heartbeat!
We're talking about making things better for everyone, not worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Income tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
Only illegals that pay tax are identity theives. Most are paid cash under the table and since food and rent are not subject to sales tax, they pay no tax. So the argument that illegals pay taxes is a lie. The costs to the states far out way any indirect taxes collected. Having to have services in multiple languages, school for illegals children, the fraud in food stamps and section 8 housing. Anyone arguing that illegals are anything but a huge burden are lying. They need to go home and we should only let in immigrants that are a benefit to the USA. No more HB1 either unless it can be confirmed that no american can do the job.
I can most readily assure you, food is taxed.
Jbru go to a grocery store and by some food, there is no tax in any state. Please tell me how food is taxed? Yes, if you eat out, it's taxable but that's a choice. I work on state and local tax issues for a living. Illegals do not pay taxes unless the use someone's SS number to get paid for a job, which is a felony.
The costs of illegals are 50 to 100 times any ancillary taxes that a illegal pays. Even in Louisiana with a low illegal population, the costs of illegals are billions of dollars for health care, schooling, multi-language compliance.
Illegals need to be sent home or if made legal, the usa will be a third world nations within 20 years.
Wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by cscollis
Obviously you don't know too much about taxes. There are taxes "built in" to the price of a gallon of gas. You might want to look at the gas pump the next time you fill up. This is a state tax, you should know this. This is only ONE example.
Yes, I am guilty of wanting to stir the pot. The Republican Party has a lot of nasty crust building up around the edges of that pot and is corrupting the whole brew. It needs a good stirring. The batch that is cooking in that pot can't even prodice a palatable, much less tasty nominee. I really am voting for Gary Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
And, yes, freedom does produce what appears to be a moving target. That is why D.C. hates freedom (libertarians defining attribute) so much. Freedom looks like kaos to the people trying to hold on to power. They don't like that moving target and it drives them crazy. "Them"includes the Republican Party. They like power and power is easier to keep if it is centralized.