CUSA Decision on UAB

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Originally Posted by inudesu

I'm not convinced this is so great for Tech anyway. I know Army would have more name recognition than any other CUSA team, but along with the fact that everyone has heard of them is the fact that everyone knows they aren't good at football anymore. And if we added a team in New York, it'd make sense that they play in the East - which means Tech plays them, what? Every 4 years or something? And what would we think if they moved MTSU and WKU together to the West (to keep their rivalry - because, you know, cross-divisional teams in a 14 team conference only play every few years) - and they move Southern Miss to the East? That would really suck. And on top of that we'd be giving a decent basketball program the advantage of narrowing all their focus on one sport while still competing with the rest of us who have to stretch our limited resources.

None of that appeals to me. I like Army, and they certainly have more history than F_U or most of the rest of the current conference. But I'm not sure one game every 4 years is worth the hybrid conference.

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....but you failed to name a better alternative for CUSA membership than Army. ULL? GA State? South Alabama? JMU? Come on.....if you're gonna bitch about ARMY as a member of CUSA, then you'll have a cardiac arrest over anyone else being named a member. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

....but you failed to name a better alternative for CUSA membership than Army. ULL? GA State? South Alabama? JMU? Come on.....if you're gonna bitch about ARMY as a member of CUSA, then you'll have a cardiac arrest over anyone else being named a member. :laugh:

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13 schools for now would be my first choice if\when UAB leaves.

Don't replace them at all for a while. If one of the SB schools pulls away from the pack, we'll always have the option to add them later.

Or if Army decides they want in you can hold out for full membership.

Or maybe another school leaves for some reason and we get to a better number anyway in 12.

I don't think Army or CUSA is interested in what you proposed. It wouldn't be the end of the world if I'm wrong, but if I'm right and neither party is interested, I think that's OK for Tech.

Ray Watts will look at only 2 pages of the report and UAB football is dead and not coming back. All you have to look at is the table on page 17 where bringing football back will result in a 20M loss through 2020 compared to page 19 without football the loss is 3M and by 2020 there is actual positive revenue. This is how management thinks (doesn't matter which industry). No management in its right mind would bring back football other than intrinsic value football brings the university. The write up was generally positive to bring it back but the cost is too high and with no positive revenue for the foreseeable future.


Now I would have to question some of the expenses: (cash flow)


On the expense side, why is Academic Financial Aid so high? The 7.6M for tuition for athletes could be reduced to near zero. It does not cost the university near that amount in real dollars unless the athlete is taking a spot of a paying student which he or she is not. This is government accounting at its worst and much worse than ENRON.


All of the other expenses look legit.


On the revenue side, an on campus stadium would generate 1.5M a year while costing considerably more than renting a stadium. Financing costs alone would mean this would have to be a public private partnership. Get the Bham school district involved and use it for HS and College games. That would cut the costs in half.


IMHO the UAB president should have been fired for not doing the due diligence of not only the numbers but the embarrassment this has caused UAB. This could not have been handled worse.


Based on the report alone, I would bet UAB football is dead and will remain dead until a new president with leadership skills has the vision and fortitude to bring it back. Until then, this is how things are done in Obama's America.

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Originally Posted by cscollis

IMHO the UAB president should have been fired for not doing the due diligence of not only the numbers but the embarrassment this has caused UAB. This could not have been handled worse.
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He did what his bosses wanted.

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde

He did what his bosses wanted.

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That's true, but I bet they also expected him to do it a little bit smoother. Viral videos of crying football players being told he loves the University more than they do, leaked PR memos about the timing, more leaked memos about how to sell it and protect himself, all that money on PR and consulting firms (that don't seem to be working, or at least can't maintain confidentiality).

He's bungled this. Gotta go, either way, right?

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Originally Posted by inudesu

13 schools for now would be my first choice if\when UAB leaves.

Don't replace them at all for a while. If one of the SB schools pulls away from the pack, we'll always have the option to add them later.

Or if Army decides they want in you can hold out for full membership.

Or maybe another school leaves for some reason and we get to a better number anyway in 12.

I don't think Army or CUSA is interested in what you proposed. It wouldn't be the end of the world if I'm wrong, but if I'm right and neither party is interested, I think that's OK for Tech.

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As much as I hate 13 teams in the league, it is much better than to keep adding marginal teams! We don't need any more in the East and it doesn't make sense to move MTSU or WKY, because of geography and rivalry - just to add someone worthy. Additionally, there is no one on the West side that look attractive enough to offer. Let's stay at 13, then see if one of the Florida schools goes away????

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Originally Posted by cscollis

Ray Watts will look at only 2 pages of the report and UAB football is dead and not coming back. All you have to look at is the table on page 17 where bringing football back will result in a 20M loss through 2020 compared to page 19 without football the loss is 3M and by 2020 there is actual positive revenue. This is how management thinks (doesn't matter which industry). No management in its right mind would bring back football other than intrinsic value football brings the university. The write up was generally positive to bring it back but the cost is too high and with no positive revenue for the foreseeable future.


Now I would have to question some of the expenses: (cash flow)


On the expense side, why is Academic Financial Aid so high? The 7.6M for tuition for athletes could be reduced to near zero. It does not cost the university near that amount in real dollars unless the athlete is taking a spot of a paying student which he or she is not. This is government accounting at its worst and much worse than ENRON.


All of the other expenses look legit.


On the revenue side, an on campus stadium would generate 1.5M a year while costing considerably more than renting a stadium. Financing costs alone would mean this would have to be a public private partnership. Get the Bham school district involved and use it for HS and College games. That would cut the costs in half.


IMHO the UAB president should have been fired for not doing the due diligence of not only the numbers but the embarrassment this has caused UAB. This could not have been handled worse.


Based on the report alone, I would bet UAB football is dead and will remain dead until a new president with leadership skills has the vision and fortitude to bring it back. Until then, this is how things are done in Obama's America.

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And also....how Obama would do it!!!

REPORT: UAB COULD ANNOUNCE DECISION TO NOT REINSTATE FOOTBALL FRIDAY NIGHT

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

REPORT: UAB COULD ANNOUNCE DECISION TO NOT REINSTATE FOOTBALL FRIDAY NIGHT

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I expect that @ Lafayette folks are exhibiting Pavlov's dog behavior at this news.

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Originally Posted by stodgdog

I expect that @ Lafayette folks are exhibiting Pavlov's dog behavior at this news.

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:laugh:

Note to ULL fans, dreams do NOT come true. But if they did...

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....you'd be in a world of hurt.