Tech's best possible, REALISTIC conference movement

Don’t tell Pawdawg…

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32141325/byu-houston-ucf-cincinnati-planning-submit-applications-big-12-sources-confirm

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

They would certainly be a better candidate than Boise. That really makes no sense to me. Here is the link for the board and Twitter Houston reportedly out of the running for Big 12 expansion | SicEm365 People are doubting the source. I guess if ESPN is reporting differently, it may not be true. Houston certainly makes the most sense there.

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Yup I heard that Boise was eliminated from consideration because they did not have the academic resume

Looks like it's a done deal!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...DHP&li=BBnbfcL

Not ideal

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Originally Posted by revf

Don’t tell Pawdawg…

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ources-confirm

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I've based my opinion on why BYU didn't move or the Big12 didn't take them before. Those circumstances have not changed other than the Big12 getting desperate. Who ever thought the Big12 would be taking "football only" members? Still lots of things to work through.

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Originally Posted by revf

ESPN is reporting: BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF to the Big 12

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What??? I thought the Big 12 was dead? I was hearing they were terrible before Texas and Oklahoma left. Now they are taking the four best G5 athletic programs? Surely BYU and Houston are not going to join the Big 12. BYU cannot join because the week has seven days, including Sunday. And, it was reported right here that Houston "blew it" the last time and would never be invited to the Big 12. I thought the AAC was going to add the remaining Big 12 teams?

Of course, all of this is unoffical. All from unnamed sources. Almost seems like the Big 12 is trying to control the narrative, doesn't it? Releasing information only once hand shake agreements are in place.

Now there are two more schools the Big 12 would like to add. Long shot territory for sure, but who knows? I haven't seen this reported anywhere, but I heard this through the grapevine. At least, a couple of Big 12 Presidents really want to add these other 2 schools. Going to be interesting for sure.

On UCF...

turn back the clock to the late 90's. Don't remember the exact year, 1997? 1998? 1999? but UCF was an independent as were we. Both Tech and UCF were being actively courted by the Belch. In 1998 a 9-2 UCF was bypassed by all the bowls as being "too much of an unknown." Well...the UCF president and AD went public when an invitation was extended by the Belch. They said they had little to no interest to joining the Belch and certainly wouldn't unless Louisiana Tech also joined.

Now UCF will likely be joining the Big 12. Yes, it's a mere shadow of its former self and not really a P5 "power" conference anymore, but still, it is a step up for UCF. In 25 years they went from being essentially in the same boat (a row boat) as us to having achieved a lofty status.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

On UCF...

turn back the clock to the late 90's. Don't remember the exact year, 1997? 1998? 1999? but UCF was an independent as were we. Both Tech and UCF were being actively courted by the Belch. In 1998 a 9-2 UCF was bypassed by all the bowls as being "too much of an unknown." Well...the UCF president and AD went public when an invitation was extended by the Belch. They said they had little to no interest to joining the Belch and certainly wouldn't unless Louisiana Tech also joined.

Now UCF will likely be joining the Big 12. Yes, it's a mere shadow of its former self and not really a P5 "power" conference anymore, but still, it is a step up for UCF. In 25 years they went from being essentially in the same boat (a row boat) as us to having achieved a lofty status.

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UCF also went from being a small commuter school to one of the largest universities in the country (and the largest university in Florida!) with huge student fees on their 65k plus enrollment.

Meanwhile Lincoln Parish finally decided to allow alcohol sales…

So you are comparing apples to oranges.

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Originally Posted by revf

UCF also went from being a small commuter school to one of the largest universities in the country (and the largest university in Florida!) with huge student fees on their 65k plus enrollment.

Meanwhile Lincoln Parish finally decided to allow alcohol sales…

So you are comparing apples to oranges.

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No, I am not. Well, it might be apples and oranges today, but it wasn't 25 years ago, which is my point. You said it yourself "UCF also went from being..." They CHANGED! They took the steps necessary to elevate themselves, while Tech did not. There was a time we were in the same boat. Now they are being invited aboard a luxury ocean liner and we are stuck on a 25-foot fishing boat.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

I've based my opinion on why BYU didn't move or the Big12 didn't take them before. Those circumstances have not changed other than the Big12 getting desperate. Who ever thought the Big12 would be taking "football only" members? Still lots of things to work through.

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Desperation can lead to flexibility. BYU may have the best media market infrastructure in the new Big XII. The LDS church has always understood media, markets, and management.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

No, I am not. Well, it might be apples and oranges today, but it wasn't 25 years ago, which is my point. You said it yourself "UCF also went from being..." They CHANGED! They took the steps necessary to elevate themselves, while Tech did not. There was a time we were in the same boat. Now they are being invited aboard a luxury ocean liner and we are stuck on a 25-foot fishing boat.

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With holes in the bottom while we paint the sides

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Originally Posted by Lotsudo

Yup I heard that Boise was eliminated from consideration because they did not have the academic resume

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Riiiiight......LOL! I'm sure those 9 hour and 15 minute flights to Boise had nothing to do with their decision to deny Boise.

Like I said last week, Boise will receive a "courtesy interview" from the Big 12, and then quickly shown the door.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

I've based my opinion on why BYU didn't move or the Big12 didn't take them before. Those circumstances have not changed other than the Big12 getting desperate. Who ever thought the Big12 would be taking "football only" members? Still lots of things to work through.

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No. You were just in denial.

Fact is, the Big 12 just lost their most "politically correct" members in Texas & OU, and the decision-making process has now shifted to members who see upside in adding BYU. Like I told you all along, they'll make it work.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom

What??? I thought the Big 12 was dead? I was hearing they were terrible before Texas and Oklahoma left. Now they are taking the four best G5 athletic programs? Surely BYU and Houston are not going to join the Big 12. BYU cannot join because the week has seven days, including Sunday. And, it was reported right here that Houston "blew it" the last time and would never be invited to the Big 12. I thought the AAC was going to add the remaining Big 12 teams?

Of course, all of this is unoffical. All from unnamed sources. Almost seems like the Big 12 is trying to control the narrative, doesn't it? Releasing information only once hand shake agreements are in place.

Now there are two more schools the Big 12 would like to add. Long shot territory for sure, but who knows? I haven't seen this reported anywhere, but I heard this through the grapevine. At least, a couple of Big 12 Presidents really want to add these other 2 schools. Going to be interesting for sure.

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Who are the other two schools? And why would you leave your readers hanging without revealing the other two schools?

Also, FIM was the BB&B poster who insisted Houston "blew it" the last time" and would "never be invited to the Big 12". I am still waiting for an explanation for both of those comments. That said, I will proactively say in his defense that removing the University of Texas from the decision making process in the Big 12 likely improved Houston's chances drastically.

The New Big 12 is going to be just fine. Furthermore, the remaining members are probably going to find that the conference is much easier to manage without "big brother" Texas calling all the shots and insisting on unreasonable demands being met.

I assume he is talking about Arizona and Arizona St. Those are the ones rumored to be in discussions as well-those do seem like long shots though.