Democrat voter fraud is on!

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

If they have an ID already (the people you are describing), then they aren’t the people that would be harmed by the law. Follow now?

And it isn’t just about the cash cost of the ID itself.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...et_-_final.pdf

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And what I am saying is that presenting ID is such an essential part of every day life and it is so cheap, there really is no excuse.

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Originally Posted by techman05

And what I am saying is that presenting ID is such an essential part of every day life and it is so cheap, there really is no excuse.

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Not essential for those (11 percent) that don’t currently have one, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Not essential for those (11 percent) that don’t currently have one, obviously.

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So, those people don’t do any of the things on the list I included? I guess you could be right. What percentage of the population is homeless. If you live in a cardboard box under a bridge and eat all your meals at the Catholic soup kitchen, you probably don’t need an ID. I’m not making light of their situation, but that is the only scenario I can think of that would never need an ID, potentially.

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Originally Posted by techman05

So, those people don’t do any of the things on the list I included? I guess you could be right. What percentage of the population is homeless. If you live in a cardboard box under a bridge and eat all your meals at the Catholic soup kitchen, you probably don’t need an ID. I’m not making light of their situation, but that is the only scenario I can think of that would never need an ID, potentially.

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Doesn't matter.. Voting Bill is dead... GOP did the right thing and all 50 members voted against the bill. Democrats did not get the 60 votes needed to keep them in power indefinitely.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ghts-bill.html

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Originally Posted by techman05

So, those people don’t do any of the things on the list I included? I guess you could be right. What percentage of the population is homeless. If you live in a cardboard box under a bridge and eat all your meals at the Catholic soup kitchen, you probably don’t need an ID. I’m not making light of their situation, but that is the only scenario I can think of that would never need an ID, potentially.

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Read the fact sheet I posted. It is not as uncommon as you think. People you and I encounter in our lives aren’t the people that will be impacted.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Read the fact sheet I posted. It is not as uncommon as you think. People you and I encounter in our lives aren’t the people that will be impacted.

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I just thought back to my time as a bank manager. We actually had homeless people come in our location to get warm and have a cup of coffee. You know what they were most proud of? Their photo ID.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Read the fact sheet I posted. It is not as uncommon as you think. People you and I encounter in our lives aren’t the people that will be impacted.

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Not a fact sheet. A list of leftist lies.

I looked at the fact sheets and my point still stands.

Birth Certificate- $26/ 1 time cost if you don’t have your original.

Drivers license or state issued averages out to a cost of $6/year or less.

Passport averages out to $11/year.

I would even be in favor of paying an extra $5 every time I renew if it lowered or nullified the cost of a ID card.

Let me ask this a different way. 11% of the population lives their lives never having any need for a photo ID. If every state decides to require photo ID, would those 11% have the means, ability, and wherewithal to secure one? After all, requiring photo ID to vote would be the first thing in their lives where they needed to consider getting one.

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Originally Posted by techman05

I looked at the fact sheets and my point still stands.

Birth Certificate- $26/ 1 time cost if you don’t have your original.

Drivers license or state issued averages out to a cost of $6/year or less.

Passport averages out to $11/year.

I would even be in favor of paying an extra $5 every time I renew if it lowered or nullified the cost of a ID card.

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What if you live far from your DMV and don’t have a car?

If you were born before 1946 you might not have a birth certificate.

It also takes time to get the birth certificate, and then time to get the ID. Which means that, as a practical matter you can’t wait until you want to vote in an election and get the ID in time. And that is the real key, and you know it. It makes it harder for people to vote, which is what Republicans want.

There has only been 30 something cases since 2000 where someone tried to vote impersonating someone else (the only thing a photo ID is actually designed to solve). It isn’t a problem worth disenfranchising legit voters over.

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Originally Posted by techman05

Let me ask this a different way. 11% of the population lives their lives never having any need for a photo ID. If every state decides to require photo ID, would those 11% have the means, ability, and wherewithal to secure one? After all, requiring photo ID to vote would be the first thing in their lives where they needed to consider getting one.

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Many will not get one just because a new voter law is passed. They will either show up not knowing they now need a photo ID, some will her find it too difficult to carry out the necessary steps in time to vote, and others will just be discouraged and not vote.

All 3 of those scenarios benefit Republicans. Everyone knows those that are voting without IDs currently skew Democrat. If they skewed Republican, you know Republicans wouldn’t be pushing this. You know it is true.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What if you live far from your DMV and don’t have a car?

If you were born before 1946 you might not have a birth certificate.

It also takes time to get the birth certificate, and then time to get the ID. Which means that, as a practical matter you can’t wait until you want to vote in an election and get the ID in time. And that is the real key, and you know it. It makes it harder for people to vote, which is what Republicans want.

There has only been 30 something cases since 2000 where someone tried to vote impersonating someone else (the only thing a photo ID is actually designed to solve). It isn’t a problem worth disenfranchising legit voters over.

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All lies

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What if you live far from your DMV and don’t have a car?

If you were born before 1946 you might not have a birth certificate.

It also takes time to get the birth certificate, and then time to get the ID. Which means that, as a practical matter you can’t wait until you want to vote in an election and get the ID in time. And that is the real key, and you know it. It makes it harder for people to vote, which is what Republicans want.

There has only been 30 something cases since 2000 where someone tried to vote impersonating someone else (the only thing a photo ID is actually designed to solve). It isn’t a problem worth disenfranchising legit voters over.

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Then how will you get a Covid vaccine?

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Then how will you get a Covid vaccine?

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I didn’t have to show a photo ID. I just wrote my info on a piece of paper.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

All lies

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I am no longer amazed by what you don’t know.