When wrong, ignore the real numbers deflect to meaningless ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
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When wrong, ignore the real numbers deflect to meaningless ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Oh no, no wall on the Canadian border. We don't want to prevent all those libtards from moving to Canada if Trump is elected. Oh wait...so, how many actually moved to Canada?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Also, isn't it curious that all those libtards said they would move to Canada....not Mexico. What's the matter, libtards, don't like Mexicans? It's okay to use them as political pawns and to enrich yourselves, but actually live with them? Egad! we all know Mexicans stink, right?
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Originally Posted by PawDawg
Trump fans accusing others of deflection is a riot!
You mean like the numbers that show that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are those that overstay visas and the vast vast majority of drugs enter through ports of entry. Unguarded border plays only a minor roll in either, but a border wall is a symbol. And you clearly love irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Personally I would have chosen Mexico for food, weather and low cost of living. But that was before El Chapo was caught and the cartel wars got scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
By the numbers, neither border. Airports and other ports of entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Funny how the narrative has changed when it gets down to nut cuttin' time. Suddenly border protection means nothing. But that has never been the socialist narrative before now.
What do you mean by “suddenly border protection means nothing”? What has the “socialist narrative” been and what is it now? And who is the socialist making the narrative?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Building a border wall between US and Mexico is symbolic in the way that burning a cross in a yard is.
It doesn’t stop drugs from “pouring” into our country and it hardly touches illegal immigration.
It is a nightlight for keeping he boogeyman away. Do you sleep with a nighlight, PD?
Overstay their visa status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The visa is just an entry document.
Right, I was using the colloquial expression that nearly everybody but those actually involved with immigration use.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
You might want to think about this for a minute or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
If your convenience store gets shoplifted once in a while, you could enact draconian policies and employ hundreds of well-trained, armed guards and stick little anti-theft sensors on every pack of gum. Or you could get a security system with a couple of cameras. Or you could move the gum back behind the counter.
I don't think enacting a less extreme policy (like a camera or buying a "shoplifters will be prosecuted" sign) is the same as "doing nothing" but it's obviously not necessarily doing "EVERYTHING."
There is a similar argument here. At what point is the cure worse than the disease? And this is where our current situation of not even being able (or willing, for political reasons) to agree on the facts is killing us. Because if you want a wall, you talk as though the southern border is flooded with people rushing over (to commit crimes) in droves. And I just don't think the numbers back that up.
And even if we could agree on the degree of the problem, the cost-benefit of a wall also gets debatable really fast.
We must either execute parking violators on sight ... or else eliminate all traffic laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I assumed you knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But it's a pet peeve. It kills me to hear a politician talk about visas as if the entry document is the same as the status.
I'm sure you have a similar reaction when people talk about copyrights and trademarks erroneously.
Occupational hazard I suppose.
Those Mexican drug cartels were armed to the hilt thanks to obummer and Holder. Not that they didn't have some serious weapons before that, but damn! Truckloads of automatic weapons and tons of ammo. That elevated the cartels waaaaaayyy past anything Mexican law enforcement could match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I just watched a special on Netflix about El Chapo and the cartels. They are taking it on the chin recently. A Mexican general and his special op troops are dealing the cartels some serious blows. He, and his gallant troops, had launched this campaign several years ago, but they really started having success last year....when the US got a new president and things "changed." Ahem...
We used to have a condo on Cozumel and went every year. But, when things got really nasty, about 8-10 years ago, we sold it. Really liked Cozumel too.