U-La-La, the 1st Gay University

First the double-wide recruiting trailers and now this... You can't make this stuff up!

ULL is the first university in the state to offer a minor in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender studies also known as LGBT. Housed in the College of Liberal Arts, the program became available to students last Spring semester. According to the minor's website, students are exposed to historical and current issues impacting LGBT communities. Students are also challenged to investigate cultural traditions that shaped the current understanding of sexuality and gender.

http://www.klfy.com/story/18986375/u...tes-lgbt-minor

http://soci-anth.louisiana.edu/minor...LGBT home.html

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The Flamin Cajuns...Not there is anything wrong with that.

Where's the like button....

Isn't that special! They'll probably have Anderson Cooper serve as an adjunct professor!

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Originally Posted by CARTEK

Isn't that special! They'll probably have Anderson Cooper serve as an adjunct professor!

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Along with this guy.

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Originally Posted by CARTEK

Isn't that special! They'll probably have Anderson Cooper serve as an adjunct professor!

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Along with this guy.

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Don't forget who they will have teach their physical education electives.

Hint: they will be sweating to the oldies.

Maybe they need to have a ceremony during one of their halftimes and give this guy a honorary degree from ULL.

Photos: Barney Frank weds partner

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U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, right, married his longtime partner Jim Ready on Saturday, July 7, in Boston, becoming the first member of Congress to marry someone of the same gender while in office.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Along with this guy.

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His wive would probably disagree with you.:)

Reminds me of the episode of "Cops" I saw where a guy wearing a ULL shirt was busted for picking up a tranny.

The UL Laf Raging Gayjuns! Ahh you really can't make this stuff up.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

His wive would probably disagree with you.:)

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Or would she? :D

From the ULL student newspaper: http://www.thevermilion.com/ul-first...6#.T_ymXXC6Zy4

Apparently the ULL transgender students are being discriminated against by the ULL housing department...

The LGBT students will take field trips to San Francisco and New York where they can better study the LGBT communities...

One of the ULL department heads called the program "bull$#!+"...

ULL LGBT instructor and chaperone...
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I would cease to donate or support my beloved university if I was a Cajuns fan right now.

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I would cease to donate or support my beloved university if I was a Cajuns fan right now.

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Some of them are...

http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/...ly-do-not-read

I feel for some of them like Z, Hammer, Slappy & CajunNation - it must have been a major kick in the stomach to them when it was made public -

Allowing student groups, equal access, etc is one thing - but to establish a minor when other things are being cut left and right is something totally different...

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Originally Posted by CARTEK

Isn't that special! They'll probably have Anderson Cooper serve as an adjunct professor!

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Ain't you the one who claims to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body :icon_razz:

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Newgebaver further explained that the other nine hours required for the minor do not necessarily need to come from only the course listings; all students must complete a contract with their professors, agreeing to do extra coursework that expands on the LGBT related issues within a course.

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In other words, there were no other relevant courses to get to the required hours, so in order to be approved, they found this loophole.

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It’s not only going to promote acceptance and tolerance on campus, but it’s also going to give students who are LGBT, questioning, or just looking for some sort of support the knowledge and comfort of knowing there are people on campus they can turn to if they need something,” said Christina Newgebaver, assistant coordinator for the LGBT minor. “It will hopefully promote educated learning about LGBTs and not promote the stereotypes that are out there.”

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Really? Sounds like a counseling program/support group/political tool/propaganda machine more than an educational program at an institution of higher education.

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

Some of them are...

http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/...ly-do-not-read

I feel for some of them like Z, Hammer, Slappy & CajunNation - it must have been a major kick in the stomach to them when it was made public -

Allowing student groups, equal access, etc is one thing - but to establish a minor when other things are being cut left and right is something totally different...

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From referenced thread:

"How does he get a doctorate in being gay? What was the subject of his thesis 'Felching with Nutria'?"


Hilarious. :laugh:

It looks like ULL's LGBT department is gearing up to really promote this LGBT program.

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Even though the LGBT minor has limited funding and publicity, Newgebaver is very positive about the future. Several students are already pursuing the minor, which bodes well given its novelty. Newgebaver, Kalich and modern languages’ Zan Kocher, Ph.D., are also working to better publicize the minor. Future plans include creating cards with QR scanners, making the website more interactive, acquiring funds via grants or scholarships to fund the program and planning events for UL’s LGBT awareness month in October.

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I bet the LGBT minor it turns into an LGBT major 10-20 years from now.

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Originally Posted by KSDAWG

I would cease to donate or support my beloved university if I was a Cajuns fan right now.

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There will definitely be some disgruntled alumni. Once parents of prospective students hear about this program, ULL will lose a significant number of prospective students from families with traditional values. On the other hand, ULL will attract more colorful students to maybe offset their losses, but I doubt it. Just look at Centenary's dwindling enrollment.

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On the other hand, ULL will attract more colorful students to maybe offset their losses.

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So, ULL will start producing a lot of little Richards?

Here was an opinion sent to the KATC Newschannel in Lafayette... This opinion has received 398 likes on facebook and 397 comments thus far...

"As an alumni of ULL I am deeply saddened and very concerned about the implementation of the minor that has been discussed. If this is suppose to be a legitimate course of study then I would suggest that the university should also include mandatory classes on: child abuse and homosexuality, pornography and child abuse as related to homosexuality, a history of venereal diseases and Aids in the homosexual and lesbian community, the Bible and Homosexuality and lesbianism, and several others. If such a minor is introduced into the curriculum I would feel obligated to withhold any donations to the university or support the university in the future. It is indeed a sad day in the history of the university when such so called academics are even considered by those that are suppose to be preparing our young people for a career and serving as examples of character, integrity and ethical standards."

https://www.facebook.com/katctv3/pos...51037793711969

Last time I checked, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is a state-supported institution. This means that Louisiana taxpayers are funding (at least a percentage) of all programs currently supported by UL-L, LaTech and all other state-funded universities.

That should make all of us very concerned. It isn't a matter of UL-L being the first "Gay University" with all that making fun of them stuff...this is US, folks. We're funding it.

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Last time I checked, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is a state-supported institution. This means that Louisiana taxpayers are funding (at least a percentage) of all programs currently supported by UL-L, LaTech and all other state-funded universities.

That should make all of us very concerned. It isn't a matter of UL-L being the first "Gay University" with all that making fun of them stuff...this is US, folks. We're funding it.

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Our taxes support many issues and agendas we don't like. As a citizen, we can influence decisions in the voting booth, but that can't ensure a 1:1 relationship between our tax dollars and the causes we want funded.

Wow, now that right there's profound.:icon_roll:

The point I was attempting to make was that OUR money is backing what we're making fun of UL-L for having. Rest assured, if the gubmint can force them to do stuff like this, they could force LaTech to do it too...yes, it is OUR problem, not just ULL's.

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Our taxes support many issues and agendas we don't like. As a citizen, we can influence decisions in the voting booth, but that can't ensure a 1:1 relationship between our tax dollars and the causes we want funded.

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I had the same thought...this issue gets our attention, but we have been supporting higher education that has been pushing liberal agendas for years. The social issues catch our eye, but the economic policy and political ideology is just as contrary to your "average" Louisianian.

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Wow, now that right there's profound.:icon_roll:

The point I was attempting to make was that OUR money is backing what we're making fun of UL-L for having. Rest assured, if the gubmint can force them to do stuff like this, they could force LaTech to do it too...yes, it is OUR problem, not just ULL's.

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I don't think this was forced on them by the governmint.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

I had the same thought...this issue gets our attention, but we have been supporting higher education that has been pushing liberal agendas for years. The social issues catch our eye, but the economic policy and political ideology is just as contrary to your "average" Louisianian.

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Yep.

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I don't think this was forced on them by the governmint.

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Correct. This program was pushed by ULL's faculty and student body and approved by their administration. Completely in house.

Chuck, if you believe that this program shouldn't be offered by ULL, go to the Louisiana Family Forum to vote in their web poll. Vote here.

Protest it, really?

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Protest it, really?

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Maybe "protest" was the wrong word. The Louisiana Family Forum has a web poll asking if you support ULL's decision to offer a degree in LGBT, and they are asking people to email ULL's president suggesting that ULL should drop the LGBT program.

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Originally Posted by Louisiana Family Forum

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UL Advocates LGBT!
LFF Commentary
July 10, 2012

UL Lafayette yesterday became the first university in Louisiana to offer a "minor" in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) studies. Proponents of the program say "the goal of the new degree is to facilitate education and acceptance of the LGBT community." Sociology Professor DeAnn Kalich, Ph.D. explains that though "mainstream America is 'accepting of openly gay people,' the South has not been as open." Kalich spearheaded the controversial program's development in the name of correcting inequality. Early reports suggest that UL professors are choosing to exempt their classes from being inducted into the so-called "academic" program.

Formerly, aberrant behavior among individuals was regarded with shame. Today, UL Lafayette proudly offers 'a degree in immorality.' Louisiana Family Forum is disappointed in this misuse of public and student tuition funds. UL's advocacy for alternative lifestyles will certainly be met with opposition from taxpayers, tuition underwriters and other key UL supporters.

The University’s web page for the new LGBT minor clearly omits facts and statistics which demonstrate the medical, physical, emotional and dangers of a lifestyle which is counter to Louisiana values. Unfortunately, this degree forces Louisiana taxpayers to subsidize advocacy of alternative lifestyles ULL. You can be sure that this will spread to other universities in the Louisiana system of higher education. Click the video above or click here to view the KATC.com report.

ACTION ITEM: Please contact UL President, DR. JOSEPH SAVOIE (337) 482-6203, president@louisiana.edu and respectfully request that this new "degree" be dropped from the ULL program.

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Wow, now that right there's profound.:icon_roll:

The point I was attempting to make was that OUR money is backing what we're making fun of UL-L for having. Rest assured, if the gubmint can force them to do stuff like this, they could force LaTech to do it too...yes, it is OUR problem, not just ULL's.

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Apparently, I missed the part where the government forced ULL to do this. Where is that?

Their mascot just became the Flamin' Gayjuns. They may not know it yet, but it did.

Wow, the hate in this thread sickens me.

5% + of the US population identifies as LGBT.

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Wow, the hate in this thread sickens me.

5% + of the US population identifies as LGBT.

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I agree. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread. No one is forcing anyone to take the course. Get over it......

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Originally Posted by maverick

Apparently, I missed the part where the government forced ULL to do this. Where is that?

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Buried in the fine print, i'm afraid, Maverick.

You are correct. My post that you quoted was badly worded on my part. It incorrectly implies overt "coersion" by the feds or whomever upon the administration of ULL to implement this "minor", which apparently didn't happen. BUT...there are all sorts of requirements tied to accepting public monies. Strings attached...if you will.

I suspect ULL, an institution like our own that depends on public funding, may not have been in any legal position to tell the supporters of this curricula NO.

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Originally Posted by champion110

I agree. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread. No one is forcing anyone to take the course. Get over it......

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It's not a course. It's a minor. Students who choose to pursue the minor have to take 18 credit hours in LGBT studies. ULL offers numerous courses (98 courses that I counted) that can count towards the minor. All but 3 of the courses (95 courses) are regular courses from other curricula to which they have added or will add LGBT content. However, the professors who teach those courses can opt out of teaching the new LGBT components of those courses if they file the necessary paperwork. Regardless, many students not taking the LGBT curriculum will have LGBT content added their non-LGBT curricula.

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Or would she? :D

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You may be right- I don't plan on contacting her though. I guess I should say "wife."

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It's not a course. It's a minor. Students who choose to pursue the minor have to take 18 credit hours in LGBT studies. ULL offers numerous courses (98 courses that I counted) that can count towards the minor. All but 4 of the courses (94 courses) are regular courses from other curricula to which they have added or will add LGBT content. However, the professors who teach those courses can opt out of teaching the new LGBT components of those courses if they file the necessary paperwork. Regardless, many students not taking the LGBT curriculum will have LGBT content added their non-LGBT curricula.

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You know that is probably correct or will be soon.

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You know that is probably correct or will be soon.

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It is correct.

Here are their 3 courses already with LGBT content:
SOCI 254 - INTRODUCTION TO LGBT CULTURAL STUDIES. (3cr); (This course will soon be changing to SOCI 354)
SOCI 454(G) - Gender Across Cultures. {Same as ANTH 454}
PHIL 319 – Philosophy of Law

Here are the 95 regular courses to which LGBT content has been or will be added:
ANTH 201 – Cultural Anthropology **
ANTH 303 – Anthropology of Religion **
ANTH 310 – Human Variation and Adaptation **
ANTH 460 – Medical Anthropology **
ANTH 491(G) - Research in Cultural Anthropology**
ANTH 493(G) - Seminar in Anthropology **
ANTH 497(G) – 498(G) – Special Projects in Anthropology I, II.**
BIOL 303 – Sociobiology **
CAFS 243 – Human Sexuality **
CAFS 440 – Family Law and Public Policy **
CMCN 210 – Interpersonal Communication **
CMCN 374 – Cultural History of Film**
CMCN 384 – Communication Theory**
CMCN 385 – Communication Law and Ethics **
CMCN 400(G) – Nonverbal Communication **
CMCN 470(G) – Intercultural Communication **
CMCN 477 – Special Topics in Communication **
CMCN 497-498 – Independent Study **
CODI 441 – Fluency and Voice **
CJUS 399 – Special Issues in Criminal Justice**
CJUS 401 – Contemporary Issues in Criminal Justice**
DANC 321 – Philosophy and History of Dance I**
DANC 322 – Philosophy and History of Dance II**
ENGL 115 – Freshman Honors English**
ENGL 202 – British Literature II**
ENGL 204 – Novel and Short Fiction**
ENGL 206 – American Literature II**
ENGL 207 – Poetry**
ENGL 208 – Drama**
ENGL 216 – Honors American Literature**
ENGL 319 – Modern Poetry**
ENGL 320 – Modern Fiction**
ENGL 351 – Introduction to Lingquistics**
ENGL 370 – Special Topics in Literary and/or Media Art**
ENGL 380 – Readings in Literature by Women**
ENGL 452(G) – Language, Culture and Society**
ENGL 496(G) – Major Literary Figures**
ENGL 499(G) – Special Topics in English**
HIST 366 – Women in History **
HIST 367 – Social and Cultural History**
HIST 368 – History of Religion**
HIST 369 – Constitutional and Legal History**
HIST 371 – Topics and Themes**
HIST 430(G) – American History Seminar**
HIST 471(G) – Issues and Themes I, II.**
HONR 216 – Culture of Man**
HONR 385 – Women of Other Worlds: Gender in Fantastic Fiction and Film**
HONR 385 – Modern Problems in the Humanities **
HUMN 200 – Ideas and Issues**
HUMN 300 – Themes in the Humanities**
HUMN 400(G) – Humanities Colloquium**
INDS 362 – Human Factors**
NURS 333 – Cultural Aspects of Health Care**
PHIL 111 – Contemporary Moral Dilemmas**
PHIL 231 – Topics in World Religions**
PHIL 316 – Professional Ethics**
PHIL 321 – Plato, Aristotle, and the Ancients**
POLS 305 – Issues in Politics **
POLS 375 – Religion and Politics**
POLS 387 – Constitutional Law**
POLS 390 – Special Topics in Politics**
POLS 457(G) – Public Policy Anaylsis**
POLS 470(G) – Political Philosophy: Major Themes**
POLS 475(G) – American Political Thought**
POLS 483(G) – Civil Liberties**
PSYC 110 – Introduction to Psychology**
PSYC 209 – General Psychology I**
PSYC 210 – General Psychology II**
PSYC 300 – Psychology of Adjustment**
PSYC 312 – Adolescent Psychology**
PSYC 313 – Life-Span Developmental Psychology**
PSYC 330 – Social Psychology**
PSYC 340 – Theories of Personality**
PSYC 431 – Psychological Counseling**
SOCI 241 – Social Problems**
SOCI 305 – Marriage and the Family**
SOCI 310 – Minority Groups **
SOCI 350 – Sociology of Deviance**
SOCI 370 – Sociology of Religion**
SOCI 374 – Introduction to Social Work**
SOCI 420(G) – Social Interaction**
SOCI 425(G) – Social Stratification**
SOCI 480(G) – Death and Dying**
SOCI 494(G) – Seminar in Sociology: Sociology of Law**
SOCI 497(G) – 498(G) – Special Projects in Sociology**
THEA 161 – Introduction to Theatre and Performing Arts**
THEA 261 – Acting I **
THEA 265 – Acting II**
THEA 357 – History of Theatre I**
THEA 358 – History of Theatre II**
THEA 364 – Directing I**
VIAR 121 – Survey of the Visual Arts I**
VIAR 122 – Survey of the Visual Arts II**
VIAR 321 – Studies in Art History**
VIAR 323 – Art Since 1945**

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I agree. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread. No one is forcing anyone to take the course. Get over it......

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I'm all for making fun of ULL and Flamin Cajuns, but ya'll are acting like they are forcing everyone to take these classes...

Most Sociology/Psych classes already have some elements or at least a chapter on LGBT...

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Originally Posted by GermDawg

+1

I'm all for making fun of ULL and Flamin Cajuns, but ya'll are acting like they are forcing everyone to take these classes...

Most Sociology/Psych classes already have some elements or at least a chapter on LGBT...

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See the 95 courses listed above that have had or will have LGBT content added to it.

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Originally Posted by GermDawg

+1

I'm all for making fun of ULL and Flamin Cajuns, but ya'll are acting like they are forcing everyone to take these classes...

Most Sociology/Psych classes already have some elements or at least a chapter on LGBT...

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I agree, and people in these fields cannot ignore LGBT, else they would not be fully educated.

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See the 95 courses listed above that have had or will have LGBT content added to it.

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All courses where LGBT content makes sense; those are, for the most part, humanities courses and whether you like it or not LGBT is part of our human culture and traces of it can be found throughout our history...

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Originally Posted by GermDawg

All courses where LGBT content makes sense; those are, for the most part, humanities courses and whether you like it or not LGBT is part of our human culture and traces of it can be found throughout our history...

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The only two that jump out as kind of odd are "Fluency and Voice" and "Communication Theory". Everything else make sense for including at least some LGBT content.

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All courses where LGBT content makes sense; those are, for the most part, humanities courses and whether you like it or not LGBT is part of our human culture and traces of it can be found throughout our history...

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I'm just getting the facts out there. The only opinions I have stated are that I think this will eventually turn into a major and how I think it will affect enrollment of prospective students.

It is more than just humanities. LGBT content has been or will be added to courses in anthropology, biology, child and family studies, communication, cognitive design, criminal justice, dance, English, history, honors, humanities, industrial design, nursing, philosophy, political science, psychology, sociology, theatre, and visual arts.

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The only two that jump out as kind of odd are "Fluency and Voice" and "Communication Theory". Everything else make sense for including at least some LGBT content.

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Most of those English courses jumped out to me. It will be interesting to find out what they are adding there.

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Buried in the fine print, i'm afraid, Maverick.

You are correct. My post that you quoted was badly worded on my part. It incorrectly implies overt "coersion" by the feds or whomever upon the administration of ULL to implement this "minor", which apparently didn't happen. BUT...there are all sorts of requirements tied to accepting public monies. Strings attached...if you will.

I suspect ULL, an institution like our own that depends on public funding, may not have been in any legal position to tell the supporters of this curricula NO.

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If by " fine print" and government "requirements" you mean a tolerance for people of diverse backgrounds and a respect for individual differences, I support that wholeheartedly!

I don't understand anyone's opposition to providing options to people who WANT to know more about a subject area.

We can anxiously await long needed research projects such as this one:


http://www.memphisflyer.com/MemphisG...n-beauty-study

Research Participants Needed for Lesbian Beauty Study Posted by Bianca Phillips on Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Christy Beck, a researcher at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, is conducting a study on lesbian women's beauty standards in relation to their breasts.

KATC Lafayette News reporting on the new LGBT studies minor: http://www.katc.com/news/new-lgbt-mi...-ul-lafayette/

Viewers ranting to KATC about the new LGBT studies minor: http://www.katc.com/videos/rant-lgbt-studies/

There's nothing about the new LGBT studies minor in the Lafayette newspaper The Advertiser.

The thread on RaginPagin apparently has been removed. I can't find it anymore.

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KATC Lafayette News reporting on the new LGBT studies minor: http://www.katc.com/news/new-lgbt-mi...-ul-lafayette/

Viewers ranting to KATC about the new LGBT studies minor: http://www.katc.com/videos/rant-lgbt-studies/

There's nothing about the new LGBT studies minor in the Lafayette newspaper The Advertiser.

The thread on RaginPagin apparently has been removed. I can't find it anymore.

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They'll just lie and hide it like they do the real name of their university.

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They'll just lie and hide it like they do the real name of their university.

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And their founding date.

I thought of a line in a Merle Haggard song when I read this. "Are we rolling down hill like a snowball headed for hell." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q

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Originally Posted by DONW

I thought of a line in a Merle Haggard song when I read this. "Are we rolling down hill like a snowball headed for hell." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q

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That sure applies to our great country right now as well. :(

UL Lafayette is the first university in the state to offer a unique minor. Students can now minor in lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender studies. Proponents of the new minor say the goal is education and acceptance. "The more that mainstream America is becoming more and more accepting of openly gay people, we in the South have not been as open," said Sociology Professor DeAnn Kalich, Ph.D. She spearheaded the development of the degree after a campus climate survey revealed a need and desire for more inclusion of LGBT students in all areas of campus life. Kalich says the campus is ideal for introducing what some might call a controversial area of study. "Inequality is something that UL does address and does so often before many of the other universities across the state." Kalich and Assistant Coordinator Chiristina Newgebaver say students, whether or not lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender will learn more about the LGBT community. "Having something like this where other LGBT people or people that are just interested in being an ally can go, can get more information, can get the right kind of education and not the misconceived stereotypes," said Newgebaver. Because of budget cuts, the LGBT minor will not include new classes, rather students will take classes already offered at the university. Not everyone is in favor of the new minor. Some professors have asked their courses not be included http://www.katc.com/news/new-lgbt-mi...-ul-lafayette/ http://www.lsuchicageaux.com/trough/...ages/ulala.jpg

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the Louisiana Family Forum ...

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They know a thing or two about what's good for edumcation. Specially science.

The Ragin GAYjuns of U-La-La! It just DOESN'T get any better than this!

The backlash continues...

From today's Lafayette Daily Advertiser:

The University of Louisiana at Lafayette began offering this past spring a sociology minor in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender, or LGBT, studies, and the program has attracted outrage from some Lafayette residents, including a U.S. congressman who wants the program dropped from the school’s curriculum.

The same day Savoie published his blog post on the new minor, U.S. Rep. Jeff Landry, R-New Iberia, wrote Savoie a letter saying he was “extremely disappointed” in the university’s decision to offer the LGBT studies minor because it “fails to provide an economic benefit to the participates or financial sense for the taxpayer.” Landry, who is seeking re-election this fall, asked Savoie to “drop this academic program.”

“As a proud alumnus and the son of two alumni, I have always been grateful of the education I received at ULL and the institution’s contribution to Acadiana, Louisiana at the nation, but I am concerned if future graduates will be able to say the same,” Landry wrote in his letter to Savoie. “As our nation continues to struggle with high unemployment, higher education’s primary mission should be ensuring current and future students have the tools necessary to compete in the 21st century economy. I think you will agree that offering a minor in LGBT studies offers participants extremely limited employment prospects."

Read the entire story: http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...-disappointed-

Link to Savoie's blog: http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/

Between Valarie Hodges realizing that "religious" does not always mean "Christian" and now, Jeff Landry calling on the ULL President to do away with an academic minor because of his personal intolerance of diversity--Louisiana is looking quite stupid to the rest of the country.

For those of you who have ridiculed ULL for this--perhaps you should take a closer look at academic minors and majors across the state, including Louisiana Tech. Simply because the title of the degree/minor does not include LGBT doesn't mean the training excludes culturally relevant material. Any human services field that does not address the needs of all individuals--White, Black, old, young, Christian, Jewish, female, male, LGBTQI, heterosexual, rich, poor...and so on...is worthless!

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Link to Savoie's blog: http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/

Between Valarie Hodges realizing that "religious" does not always mean "Christian" and now, Jeff Landry calling on the ULL President to do away with an academic minor because of his personal intolerance of diversity--Louisiana is looking quite stupid to the rest of the country.

For those of you who have ridiculed ULL for this--perhaps you should take a closer look at academic minors and majors across the state, including Louisiana Tech. Simply because the title of the degree/minor does not include LGBT doesn't mean the training excludes culturally relevant material. Any human services field that does not address the needs of all individuals--White, Black, old, young, Christian, Jewish, female, male, LGBTQI, heterosexual, rich, poor...and so on...is worthless!

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BS!

Bet you, and your libtard cohorts, would pitch a hissy fit if a university were to offer a minor in "Confederate studies." OMG! the outrage. Could be a minor in the history department.

But, the bigger issue is this. In these days of HUGE budget cuts universities are having to downsize legit offerings. How can anyone justify crap like this? If just ONE faculty member was added or retained to cover these courses, that is beyond ridiculous.

I do feel for our Gayjuns friends, however. :icon_roll:

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BS!

Bet you, and your libtard cohorts, would pitch a hissy fit if a university were to offer a minor in "Confederate studies." OMG! the outrage. Could be a minor in the history department.

But, the bigger issue is this. In these days of HUGE budget cuts universities are having to downsize legit offerings. How can anyone justify crap like this? If just ONE faculty member was added or retained to cover these courses, that is beyond ridiculous.

I do feel for our Gayjuns friends, however. :icon_roll:

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I can't speak to what "libtards" would say. If there were a legitimate interest in Confederate studies, I would have no problem with it (no doubt, you will paint me with your broad brush and assume I am lying). I don't, however, see the applicability of such a program, but one probably could say that about many academic minors.

From the ULL President's blog: "The development of this new minor did not require budgetary allocations or divert resources from other areas as it allows students to choose from a list of nearly 100 existing courses across several disciplines."

Do you also object to our university's Prism organization or the Gay Straight Alliance (may have been merged into Prism, not sure) and the University resources they use?

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...Gay-University

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Do you also object to our university's Prism organization or the Gay Straight Alliance (may have been merged into Prism, not sure) and the University resources they use?

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What sort of University resources do they use (honest question)?

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BS!

Bet you, and your libtard cohorts, would pitch a hissy fit if a university were to offer a minor in "Confederate studies." OMG! the outrage. Could be a minor in the history department.

But, the bigger issue is this. In these days of HUGE budget cuts universities are having to downsize legit offerings. How can anyone justify crap like this? If just ONE faculty member was added or retained to cover these courses, that is beyond ridiculous.

I do feel for our Gayjuns friends, however. :icon_roll:

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Heck, can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days? So here comes the homosexual agenda thrown in our face again at every turn it seems.

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Heck, can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days? So here comes the homosexual agenda thrown in our face again at every turn it seems.

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Yes. Do you consider that an agenda that is thrown in people's face? I certainly don't. It's an area of study that people can CHOOSE.

And THAT is what is really "sickening."

Forcing it on the 95 percent.

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It is correct.

Here are their 3 courses already with LGBT content:
SOCI 254 - INTRODUCTION TO LGBT CULTURAL STUDIES. (3cr); (This course will soon be changing to SOCI 354)
SOCI 454(G) - Gender Across Cultures. {Same as ANTH 454}
PHIL 319 – Philosophy of Law

Here are the 95 regular courses to which LGBT content has been or will be added:
ANTH 201 – Cultural Anthropology **
ANTH 303 – Anthropology of Religion **
ANTH 310 – Human Variation and Adaptation **
ANTH 460 – Medical Anthropology **
ANTH 491(G) - Research in Cultural Anthropology**
ANTH 493(G) - Seminar in Anthropology **
ANTH 497(G) – 498(G) – Special Projects in Anthropology I, II.**
BIOL 303 – Sociobiology **
CAFS 243 – Human Sexuality **
CAFS 440 – Family Law and Public Policy **
CMCN 210 – Interpersonal Communication **
CMCN 374 – Cultural History of Film**
CMCN 384 – Communication Theory**
CMCN 385 – Communication Law and Ethics **
CMCN 400(G) – Nonverbal Communication **
CMCN 470(G) – Intercultural Communication **
CMCN 477 – Special Topics in Communication **
CMCN 497-498 – Independent Study **
CODI 441 – Fluency and Voice **
CJUS 399 – Special Issues in Criminal Justice**
CJUS 401 – Contemporary Issues in Criminal Justice**
DANC 321 – Philosophy and History of Dance I**
DANC 322 – Philosophy and History of Dance II**
ENGL 115 – Freshman Honors English**
ENGL 202 – British Literature II**
ENGL 204 – Novel and Short Fiction**
ENGL 206 – American Literature II**
ENGL 207 – Poetry**
ENGL 208 – Drama**
ENGL 216 – Honors American Literature**
ENGL 319 – Modern Poetry**
ENGL 320 – Modern Fiction**
ENGL 351 – Introduction to Lingquistics**
ENGL 370 – Special Topics in Literary and/or Media Art**
ENGL 380 – Readings in Literature by Women**
ENGL 452(G) – Language, Culture and Society**
ENGL 496(G) – Major Literary Figures**
ENGL 499(G) – Special Topics in English**
HIST 366 – Women in History **
HIST 367 – Social and Cultural History**
HIST 368 – History of Religion**
HIST 369 – Constitutional and Legal History**
HIST 371 – Topics and Themes**
HIST 430(G) – American History Seminar**
HIST 471(G) – Issues and Themes I, II.**
HONR 216 – Culture of Man**
HONR 385 – Women of Other Worlds: Gender in Fantastic Fiction and Film**
HONR 385 – Modern Problems in the Humanities **
HUMN 200 – Ideas and Issues**
HUMN 300 – Themes in the Humanities**
HUMN 400(G) – Humanities Colloquium**
INDS 362 – Human Factors**
NURS 333 – Cultural Aspects of Health Care**
PHIL 111 – Contemporary Moral Dilemmas**
PHIL 231 – Topics in World Religions**
PHIL 316 – Professional Ethics**
PHIL 321 – Plato, Aristotle, and the Ancients**
POLS 305 – Issues in Politics **
POLS 375 – Religion and Politics**
POLS 387 – Constitutional Law**
POLS 390 – Special Topics in Politics**
POLS 457(G) – Public Policy Anaylsis**
POLS 470(G) – Political Philosophy: Major Themes**
POLS 475(G) – American Political Thought**
POLS 483(G) – Civil Liberties**
PSYC 110 – Introduction to Psychology**
PSYC 209 – General Psychology I**
PSYC 210 – General Psychology II**
PSYC 300 – Psychology of Adjustment**
PSYC 312 – Adolescent Psychology**
PSYC 313 – Life-Span Developmental Psychology**
PSYC 330 – Social Psychology**
PSYC 340 – Theories of Personality**
PSYC 431 – Psychological Counseling**
SOCI 241 – Social Problems**
SOCI 305 – Marriage and the Family**
SOCI 310 – Minority Groups **
SOCI 350 – Sociology of Deviance**
SOCI 370 – Sociology of Religion**
SOCI 374 – Introduction to Social Work**
SOCI 420(G) – Social Interaction**
SOCI 425(G) – Social Stratification**
SOCI 480(G) – Death and Dying**
SOCI 494(G) – Seminar in Sociology: Sociology of Law**
SOCI 497(G) – 498(G) – Special Projects in Sociology**
THEA 161 – Introduction to Theatre and Performing Arts**
THEA 261 – Acting I **
THEA 265 – Acting II**
THEA 357 – History of Theatre I**
THEA 358 – History of Theatre II**
THEA 364 – Directing I**
VIAR 121 – Survey of the Visual Arts I**
VIAR 122 – Survey of the Visual Arts II**
VIAR 321 – Studies in Art History**
VIAR 323 – Art Since 1945**

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The Ragin GAYjuns of U-La-La! It just DOESN'T get any better than this!

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When you throw in their phallus shaped red mascot - it gets alot better....

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When you throw in their phallus shaped red mascot - it gets alot better....

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Dang, DFM's right again. It DOES get even better!

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Dang, DFM's right again. It DOES get even better!

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What sort of University resources do they use (honest question)?

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Official university organizations use facilities, at a minimum. They also have the opportunity to receive SGA funds for events, projects, speakers, travel, and more. I have no way of knowing whether these groups in particular do this, but the GSA currently is listed as an official student organization and is eligible to do so, assuming that list is up-to-date.

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Official university organizations use facilities, at a minimum. They also have the opportunity to receive SGA funds for events, projects, speakers, travel, and more. I have no way of knowing whether these groups in particular do this, but the GSA currently is listed as an official student organization and is eligible to do so, assuming that list is up-to-date.

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There is a big difference between a degree program and a student organization.

BTW if the organization applies for SGA matching funds or grant money and if the funding is granted, the SGA funds come from student self-assessed fees, not state funding.

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There is a big difference between a degree program and a student organization.

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Of course there is. I was not equating the two. I was simply asking whether people objected to students' fees and/or university resources supporting such a group.

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Of course there is. I was not equating the two. I was simply asking whether people objected to students' fees and/or university resources supporting such a group.

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Of course not. Students can start whatever organization they want as long as they have the 20 signatures (or however many they need). We have a full spectrum of political and religious student organizations.

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Of course not. Students can start whatever organization they want as long as they have the 20 signatures (or however many they need). We have numerous political and religious student organizations.

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I am aware of that. People were making the argument that "our" money should not go to support an "agenda." I was making the point that students' and taxpayers' money often goes to support causes they don't like--social, political, religious, and otherwise. Some also seemed to take pride in the fact that "we" would never allow something like this on our campus, but, as I pointed out previously, many courses include and even focus on LGBT issues, as is appropriate.

Apparently there were people on ULL's campus who wanted the LGBT minor as an option. Some on here have talked about it being "forced" on them. That's ridiculous.

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I am aware of that. People were making the argument that "our" money should not go to support an "agenda." I was making the point that students' and taxpayers' money often goes to support causes they don't like--social, political, religious, and otherwise. Some also seemed to take pride in the fact that "we" would never allow something like this on our campus, but, as I pointed out previously, many courses include and even focus on LGBT issues, as is appropriate.

Apparently there were people on ULL's campus who wanted the LGBT minor as an option. Some on here have talked about it being "forced" on them. That's ridiculous.

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Nobody forced the LGBT program on ULL. It was completely in house as it was pushed by a professor, coordinator, and several students, all people at ULL with an agenda.

However, the LGBT agenda will be pushed onto students not pursuing the minor as LGBT content has been added to almost 100 courses at ULL. Yes, LGBT content is appropriate for some of those courses, but LGBT content is unnecessary in many of those courses. Therefore, the LGBT agenda will be forced onto students not taking the LGBT curriculum.

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Heck, can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days? So here comes the homosexual agenda thrown in our face again at every turn it seems.

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Yes. Do you consider that an agenda that is thrown in people's face? I certainly don't. It's an area of study that people can CHOOSE.

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Then find some courses at our public university that "teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies" because I just went through all of Tech's courses and didn't find any Bible courses. This was the only course I found and it's not on Old or Old Test. Bible. Just one course compared to a whole new degree on LGBT at ULL. Give me a break!

415: History of the Christian Church. 0-3-3. A study of the rise and
expansion of the Christian Church and its enormous influence on world
history. (G)

Maverick, I agree that adding this type of content to a course is appropriate when it is relevant to the course. For example, if a sociology course is talking about equal rights or discrimination, then it is perfectly normal to talk about the subject as it pertains to gay people. But, creating an entire major/minor and adding content to existing courses that will be taken by people not majoring in this is an over-reach (insert reach-around joke here) in my opinion.

In Tech77's earlier post, he listed 95 courses that will have GLBT content added to them. I read that list and some of it just seems crazy. What gay content do you add to an English course? History? Art? Acting?...and I don't even want to think about Independent Study. Do you just mention specific gay people that were authors or poets? If that is the case, then where does it stop? Should we also add content about blue-eyed people who have contributed to those same areas? Christians? Atheists? Left handed construction workers? Where does it stop? a I'm honestly not trying to be "political" about this, but it seems that they are going out of their way to cater to a certain group. I understand that gay people have contributed to many different industries, but talking about gay people who have contributed to the art world does not enhance the student's understanding of art itself. I think this is a bit of a waste.

But the bigger question, IMO, is what the hell do you do with a degree in this? Bitch about oil companies for a living? Seems like a big waste of time and resources to me.

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Then find some courses at our public university that "teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies" because I just went through all of Tech's courses and didn't find any Bible courses. This was the only course I found and it's not on Old or Old Test. Bible. Just one course compared to a whole new degree on LGBT at ULL. Give me a break!

415: History of the Christian Church. 0-3-3. A study of the rise and
expansion of the Christian Church and its enormous influence on world
history. (G)

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We studied excepts from the KJV of The Bible in my British literature class at Tech. We also studied all the different creation stories (which included Genesis) in my ancient civilizations class.

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Heck, can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days? So here comes the homosexual agenda thrown in our face again at every turn it seems.

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Then find some courses at our public university that "teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies" because I just went through all of Tech's courses and didn't find any Bible courses. This was the only course I found and it's not on Old or Old Test. Bible. Just one course compared to a whole new degree on LGBT at ULL. Give me a break!

415: History of the Christian Church. 0-3-3. A study of the rise and
expansion of the Christian Church and its enormous influence on world
history. (G)

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We studied excepts from the KJV of The Bible in my British Literature class at Tech.

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Compared to ULL's 95 courses that will have GLBT content??? That's insane!!!

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Compared to ULL's 95 courses that will have GLBT content??? That's insane!!!

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I agree, some people really need to go back and refresh/study the bible, especially Matthew 22:36-40

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36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

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I know I don't want to know about what my neighbor does in his bedroom in private and hope my neighbor doesn't stick his nose in what I do...

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Heck, can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days? So here comes the homosexual agenda thrown in our face again at every turn it seems.

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Then find some courses at our public university that "teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies" because I just went through all of Tech's courses and didn't find any Bible courses. This was the only course I found and it's not on Old or Old Test. Bible. Just one course compared to a whole new degree on LGBT at ULL. Give me a break!

415: History of the Christian Church. 0-3-3. A study of the rise and
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history. (G)

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I agree, some people really need to go back and refresh/study the bible, especially Matthew 22:36-40



I know I don't want to know about what my neighbor does in his bedroom in private and hope my neighbor doesn't stick his nose in what I do...

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This is public funding we are talking about. Stay focused.

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This is public funding we are talking about. Stay focused.

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Pay attention then...

http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/
From the ULL President's blog: "The development of this new minor did not require budgetary allocations or divert resources from other areas as it allows students to choose from a list of nearly 100 existing courses across several disciplines."

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Pay attention then...

http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/
From the ULL President's blog: "The development of this new minor did not require budgetary allocations or divert resources from other areas as it allows students to choose from a list of nearly 100 existing courses across several disciplines."

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ULL's president is not being honest (imagine that). Although ULL didn't allocate additional funding for the LGBT program this year, public money is supporting this program, and ULL has reallocated various resources to this program that would have been used elsewhere. They now have a program director and a program coordinator. They will be taking field trips to San Francisco and New York to better study the LGBT communities. They plan to create cards with QR scanners to promote the program. They plan to create an interactive website. They plan to acquire funds through grants and scholarship money to fund the program. They plan to host events during ULL's LGBT awareness month in October. That's just the beginning as they plan to really grow the program and see a very bright future. All of that requires public money and resources.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm glad it's them and not us. I don't say that in a homophobic way, but this just seems like an enormous waste of resources.

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Then find some courses at our public university that "teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies" because I just went through all of Tech's courses and didn't find any Bible courses. This was the only course I found and it's not on Old or Old Test. Bible. Just one course compared to a whole new degree on LGBT at ULL. Give me a break!

415: History of the Christian Church. 0-3-3. A study of the rise and
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Your original question was not about Louisiana Tech. You asked whether such courses are allowed to be taught at a public university.

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They now have a program director and a program coordinator. They will be taking field trips to San Francisco and New York to better study the LGBT communities. They plan to create cards with QR scanners to promote the program. They plan to create an interactive website. They plan to acquire funds through grants and scholarship money to fund the program. They plan to host events during ULL's LGBT awareness month in October. That's just the beginning as they plan to really grow the program and see a very bright future.

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Individual colleges on a university campus certainly do some of these type things...or all of these type things. Certainly there is promotion of some specific majors or programs involving multiple majors on a university campus. I can't think of any MINOR DEGREE PROGRAMS that receive this much attention.

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Individual colleges on a university campus certainly do some of these type things...or all of these type things. Certainly there is promotion of some specific majors or programs involving multiple majors on a university campus. I can't think of any MINOR DEGREE PROGRAMS that receive this much attention.

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It's because promoting the minor is secondary. It's not a real degree. What they are really promoting is their personal lifestyle, culture, and social agenda. The LGBT minor just gives them a bigger platform and appears to legitimize their cause.

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Nobody forced the LGBT program on ULL. It was completely in house as it was pushed by a professor, coordinator, and several students, all people at ULL with an agenda.

However, the LGBT agenda will be pushed onto students not pursuing the minor as LGBT content has been added to almost 100 courses at ULL. Yes, LGBT content is appropriate for some of those courses, but LGBT content is unnecessary in many of those courses. Therefore, the LGBT agenda will be forced onto students not taking the LGBT curriculum.

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Many students take programs of study such as nursing, counseling, social work, psychology, pre-med, and other human services related fields. These students are not enrolled in programs entitled LGBT, Black, White, religious, male, female, or any other diversity-related term. But you better believe they learn how to work with people of all of these subcultures. They learn about respecting differences and that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds and they learn specifics about subcultures, including LGBT. Do you see that as forcing that on students?

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Many students take programs of study such as nursing, counseling, social work, psychology, pre-med, and other human services related fields. These students are not enrolled in programs entitled LGBT, Black, White, religious, male, female, or any other diversity-related term. But you better believe they learn how to work with people of all of these subcultures. They learn about respecting differences and that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds and they learn specifics about subcultures, including LGBT. Do you see that as forcing that on students?

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I already said that some of those courses are appropriate for LGBT content. However, you are ignoring my point. Many of those courses have absolutely no need for LGBT content. So yes, that is forcing the LGBT agenda onto students. In addition, students don't need to take a college course "to learn how to work with people of all those subcultures" or "to learn about respecting differences" blah blah blah...

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I already said that some of those courses are appropriate for LGBT content. However, you are ignoring my point. Many of those courses have absolutely no need for LGBT content. In addition, students don't need to take a college course "to learn how to work with people of all those subcultures" or "to learn about respecting differences blah blah blah..."

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If I misunderstood your point, I apologize; it's never my intention to mislead about something someone said. Do you mean students shouldn't learn about culture at all or that they should learn it somewhere else?

On the point of forcing an "agenda" on students, do you see it as forcing an agenda in an academic area that devotes time and resources to cultural considerations as a general rule? How should they handle students who don't want to learn (about any subcultures)?

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If I misunderstood your point, I apologize; it's never my intention to mislead about something someone said. Do you mean students shouldn't learn about culture at all or that they should learn it somewhere else?

On the point of forcing an "agenda" on students, do you see it as forcing an agenda in an academic area that devotes time and resources to cultural considerations as a general rule? How should they handle students who don't want to learn (about any subcultures)?

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Students learn to respect all people regardless of their differences in grade school, in the home, in church, etc. (if it's not inherent). That's not the job of college professors. All students should know to treat everybody with respect by the time they get to college. Whether students show the respect is another matter, but it's not from a lack of knowing better.

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Of course not. Students can start whatever organization they want as long as they have the 20 signatures (or however many they need). We have a full spectrum of political and religious student organizations.

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I agree with this. And, except for those sociology courses where inclusion of gay issues is appropriate, such student organizations should be the limit of the formalization of lezzy-gay issues.

However, using my same example, what do you think would be the reaction of libtards if a group of students formed a pro-Confederate club? Or worse! a pro-Nazi club! Of course, the good national socialist in the White House would support such a Nazi organization...

But, we all know there would be outrage, even if the pro-Confederate club followed all the same rules as other student organizations. Wouldn't matter. There would be the "we don't need any of that here" types. Then the university would violate its own rules and policies and order the pro-Confederate club disbanded. And, the university would pay retribution to all those "offended" by its formation, even those 99% of those people wouldn't have even known about it (to be offended) until after the media made an issue of it.

One can NOT study American history w/o studying the Confederacy. Doesn't matter if you support(ed) or not. No one can fully understand our history w/o studying that era. Likewise, one can not fully understand all social issues w/o addressing the issues of homosexuality and all its ramifications. So, as I stated, it is an appropriate inclusion in some courses. As studying the Confederacy is an appropriate inclusion in some history courses.

The difference is, the creation of a minor in gay studies is considered okay, as is the creation of a gay club with "student fees". But, neither a minor nor club would be tolerated for the Confederacy.

<maybe my example of a pro-Confederate minor/club is not the best analogy, think of your own example>

For the record, just so my position is clear, I have no problem with any student club/organization that support themselves (dues) or that receives funding from the SGA, and that uses some university facility, such as a meeting room on campus. As long as the same rules apply to all groups.

I do have a problem with a WHOLE LOT of issues re: college curriculums, that go waaaaay beyond the topic here.

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Many students take programs of study such as nursing, counseling, social work, psychology, pre-med, and other human services related fields. These students are not enrolled in programs entitled LGBT, Black, White, religious, male, female, or any other diversity-related term. But you better believe they learn how to work with people of all of these subcultures. They learn about respecting differences and that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds and they learn specifics about subcultures, including LGBT. Do you see that as forcing that on students?

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No they don't...not in an organized, specific manner as is being referred to in this thread, unless they take a psych course or two and read a paragraph about it in a text book...or enroll at ULL next year...

I completed every pre-med requirement, and every course was a science or math course. In addition to that, my undergrad was a liberal arts degree. I took 2 psych courses. I don't recall learning how to work with people of all of those subcultures or about respecting differences or that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds or about specifics of any of those cultures in those courses. I learned more about other cultures and subcultures in my history courses and 4 Spanish courses. Those psych courses taught me theory. In all my years of higher education, I think in one of those psych courses there may have been an acknowledgement that, hey, this subculture exists and here's what it means...next.

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Your original question was not about Louisiana Tech. You asked whether such courses are allowed to be taught at a public university.

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So? I also said find me one. Maybe you could find a public taxpayer funded university in California or Mass. or Wisconsin or somewhere that has 95 courses that will have GLBT content.

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Pay attention then...

http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/
From the ULL President's blog: "The development of this new minor did not require budgetary allocations or divert resources from other areas as it allows students to choose from a list of nearly 100 existing courses across several disciplines."

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But these 95 courses that will have GLBT content will still be funded by public funds and probably taxpayer $$. I say again that's insane.

Honestly, I don't care that they are patching together a makeshift curriculum for this. If there is enough interest on that campus, then whatever. What I disagree with enough to make me comment on the issue is that they are openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside of the classroom.

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Honestly, I don't care that they are patching together a makeshift curriculum for this. If there is enough interest on that campus, then whatever. What I disagree with enough to make me comment on the issue is that they are openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside of the classroom.

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I never said they were openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside the classroom. If that is their true intent (which I'm convinced it is), then they obviously can't openly admit it. But it's not about using it as a platform outside the classroom, it's about using their classroom as the platform to advocate their personal lifestyle, culture, and social agenda.

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I never said they were openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside the classroom. If that is their true intent (which I'm convinced it is), then they obviously can't openly admit it. But it's not about using it as a platform outside the classroom, it's about using their classroom as the platform to advocate their personal lifestyle, culture, and social agenda.

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First, I wasn't responding to or referencing your post. I am saying they are using as a platform outside of the classroom.

Second, yes they can...and did:

“It’s not only going to promote acceptance and tolerance on campus, but it’s also going to give students who are LGBT, questioning, or just looking for some sort of support the knowledge and comfort of knowing there are people on campus they can turn to if they need something,” said Christina Newgebaver, assistant coordinator for the LGBT minor. “It will hopefully promote educated learning about LGBTs and not promote the stereotypes that are out there.”

“At UL, in many ways, we’ve been a leader. When we were USL, we led the way in desegregation, and later we tried to lead the way in bringing women and other minorities up to the southern regional average salary,” Kalich said. “I think that this is recognition of another unprotected class of citizens who really don’t have civil rights, particularly in this state.”

"Future plans include creating cards with QR scanners, making the website more interactive, acquiring funds via grants or scholarships to fund the program and planning events for UL’s LGBT awareness month in October."

“In terms of the bigger picture, we’re just stepping on the bus at our university,” Kalich stated. “Now, will we sit in the back or not is the question? I don’t think we’re trying to take over, but we’re trying to get recognition and equality. That’s our vision: equality for everyone.

“So, hopefully not just UL, but the state as a whole will catch on to this, and we can join the rest of the country as it’s moving in the direction of acceptance of diversity and equality,” Kalich concluded.

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Originally Posted by RhythmDawg

First, I wasn't responding to or referencing your post. I am saying they are using as a platform outside of the classroom.

Second, yes they can...and did:

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My bad. I misunderstood you. You are correct. They will use it as a platform inside and outside the classroom.

Check out her poster to the left of her diploma. It advocates for gay marriage.
http://www.thevermilion.com/polopoly...e/32408565.jpg