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Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
If all of the announced future conference changes took place today, this is how the NCAA Division I conference landscape would look.
Pac-12
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Big 12 |
Big Ten |
SEC |
ACC |
Washington |
West Virginia |
Rutgers |
Kentucky |
Boston College |
Washington State |
Iowa State |
Maryland |
Vanderbilt |
Syracuse |
Oregon |
Kansas |
Penn State |
Tennessee |
Pittsburgh |
Oregon State |
Kansas State |
Ohio State |
South Carolina |
Notre Dame |
California |
Oklahoma |
Michigan |
Georgia |
Louisville |
Stanford |
Oklahoma State |
Michigan State |
Florida |
Virginia |
USC |
Texas |
Purdue |
Auburn |
Virginia Tech |
UCLA |
Texas Tech |
Indiana |
Alabama |
North Carolina |
Arizona |
TCU |
Illinois |
Ole Miss |
NC State |
Arizona State |
Baylor |
Northwestern |
Mississippi State |
Duke |
Utah |
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Wisconsin |
LSU |
Wake Forest |
Colorado |
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Minnesota |
Texas A&M |
Clemson |
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Iowa |
Arkansas |
Georgia Tech |
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Nebraska |
Missouri |
Florida State |
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Miami (Fla.) |
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Mountain West
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C-USA |
MAC |
American |
Big East |
New Mexico |
Marshall |
Buffalo |
UConn |
Providence |
Air Force |
Old Dominion |
Kent State |
Temple |
St. John's |
Colorado State |
Charlotte |
Akron |
Navy |
Seton Hall |
Wyoming |
Florida Atlantic |
Ohio |
East Carolina |
Villanova |
Utah State |
FIU |
Miami (Ohio) |
UCF |
Georgetown |
Boise State |
WKU |
Bowling Green |
South Florida |
Xavier |
Nevada |
Middle Tennessee |
Toledo |
Cincinnati |
Butler |
UNLV |
UAB |
Eastern Michigan |
Memphis |
DePaul |
San Jose State |
Southern Miss |
Central Michigan |
Tulane |
Marquette |
Fresno State |
Louisiana Tech |
Western Michigan |
Wichita State |
Creighton |
San Diego State |
North Texas |
Ball State |
Tulsa |
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Hawai'i |
Rice |
Northern Illinois |
SMU |
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UTSA |
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Houston |
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UTEP |
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FBS Independents
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West Coast |
Missouri Valley |
Sun Belt |
Atlantic 10 |
Notre Dame
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Gonzaga
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Valparaiso |
Appalachian State |
UMass |
BYU |
Portland |
Indiana State |
Coastal Carolina |
Rhode Island |
Army |
BYU |
Evansville |
Georgia State |
Fordham |
UMass |
San Francisco |
Loyola (Chicago) |
Georgia Southern |
La Salle |
New Mexico State |
Saint Mary's |
Bradley |
Troy |
Saint Joseph's |
Liberty |
Santa Clara |
Illinois State |
South Alabama |
George Washington |
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Pacific |
Southern Illinois |
Arkansas State |
George Mason |
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Pepperdine |
Northern Iowa |
UA-Little Rock |
VCU |
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Loyola Marymount |
Drake |
LA-Monroe |
Richmond |
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San Diego |
Missouri State |
LA-Lafayette |
Davidson |
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UT-Arlington |
St. Bonaventure |
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Texas State |
Duquesne |
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Dayton |
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Saint Louis |
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Ivy
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SoCon |
Horizon |
Colonial |
Patriot |
Dartmouth |
VMI |
Cleveland State |
Maine
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Boston U |
Harvard |
UNC-Greensboro |
Detroit |
New Hampshire |
Holy Cross |
Brown |
Western Carolina |
Oakland |
Northeastern |
Colgate |
Yale |
East Tennessee State |
UW-Green Bay |
Rhode Island
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Army |
Columbia |
UT-Chattanooga |
UW-Milwaukee |
Albany |
Fordham |
Princeton |
Wofford |
UI-Chicago |
Stony Brook |
Lafayette |
Penn |
Furman |
Wright State |
Hofstra |
Lehigh |
Cornell |
The Citadel |
Youngstown State |
Villanova |
Bucknell |
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Mercer |
Northern Kentucky |
Drexel |
Loyola (Md.) |
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Samford |
IU-PU-Indianapolis |
Delaware |
Navy |
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Towson |
American |
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James Madison |
Georgetown |
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Richmond |
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William & Mary |
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Elon |
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UNC-Wilmington
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College of Charleston |
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Northeast
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Southland |
Big Sky |
America East |
Metro Atlantic |
Bryant |
Southeastern Louisiana |
Montana State |
Maine |
Niagara |
Central Connecticut |
New Orleans |
Montana |
New Hampshire |
Canisius |
Sacred Heart |
Nicholls State |
Idaho State |
Vermont |
Siena |
Fairleigh Dickinson
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McNeese State |
Idaho |
UMass Lowell |
Marist |
LIU Brooklyn |
Northwestern State |
Eastern Washington |
Hartford |
Quinnipiac |
St. Francis (N.Y.) |
Central Arkansas |
Portland State |
Albany |
Fairfield |
Wagner |
Abilene Christian |
Northern Colorado |
Binghamton |
Iona |
Mount St. Mary's |
Stephen F. Austin |
Weber State |
Stony Brook |
Manhattan |
St. Francis (Penn.) |
Lamar |
Southern Utah |
UM-Baltimore County |
Saint Peter's |
Duquesne |
Sam Houston State |
Northern Arizona |
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Monmouth |
Robert Morris |
Houston Baptist |
Sacramento State |
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Rider |
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Incarnate Word |
UC Davis |
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TAMU-Corpus Christi |
Cal Poly |
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Big South |
Summit |
Big West |
Missouri Valley Football |
Ohio Valley |
Monmouth |
IU-PU-Fort Wayne |
UC Davis |
Youngstown State |
Eastern Illinois |
Campbell |
Western Illinois |
Cal Poly |
Indiana State |
SIU-Edwardsville |
High Point |
North Dakota State |
UC Santa Barbara |
Illinois State |
Southeast Missouri State |
South Carolina Upstate |
North Dakota |
Cal State Northridge |
Southern Illinois |
Murray State |
Longwood |
South Dakota State |
Long Beach State |
Western Illinois |
Eastern Kentucky |
Radford |
South Dakota |
Cal State Fullerton |
Northern Iowa |
Morehead State |
Charleston Southern |
UN-Omaha |
UC Irvine |
Missouri State |
Tennessee Tech |
Gardner-Webb |
Denver |
UC Riverside |
North Dakota State |
Tennessee State |
Presbyterian |
Oral Roberts |
CSU Bakersfield |
North Dakota |
Belmont |
UNC-Asheville |
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UC San Diego |
South Dakota State |
Austin Peay |
Winthrop |
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Hawai'i |
South Dakota |
UT-Martin |
Kennesaw State |
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Jacksonville State |
North Alabama |
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Hampton |
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MEAC
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Pioneer Football |
Atlantic Sun |
WAC |
SWAC |
Delaware State |
Marist |
NJIT |
Chicago State
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Alabama A&M |
UM-Eastern Shore |
Davidson |
Lipscomb |
UM-Kansas City |
Alabama State |
Morgan State |
Presbyterian |
Kennesaw State |
UT-Rio Grande Valley |
Mississippi Valley State |
Coppin State |
Jacksonville |
Jacksonville |
New Mexico State |
Jackson State |
Howard |
Stetson |
North Florida |
Grand Canyon |
Alcorn State |
Norfolk State |
Morehead State |
Stetson |
Utah Valley |
UA-Pine Bluff |
North Carolina A&T |
Dayton |
Florida Gulf Coast |
Seattle |
Grambling State |
North Carolina Central |
Butler |
North Alabama |
California Baptist |
Southern |
South Carolina State |
Valparaiso |
Liberty |
Dixie State |
Texas Southern |
Florida A&M |
Drake |
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Prairie View A&M |
Bethune-Cookman |
San Diego |
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FCS Independent |
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Legend |
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Dixie State |
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black = all-sports |
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blue = non-football |
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red = football-only |
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
Non-cartel FBS members
School |
Athletic Budget |
DMA TV Homes |
UConn |
$71,396,255 |
996,550 |
Cincinnati |
$55,433,830 |
897,890 |
SMU |
$55,349,010 |
2,588,020 |
BYU |
$54,418,408 |
917,370 |
Memphis |
$50,266,862 |
662,830 |
New Mexico |
$47,082,167 |
691,450 |
South Florida |
$46,829,647 |
1,806,560 |
Boise State |
$45,680,801 |
259,090 |
UCF |
$45,327,168 |
1,453,170 |
San Diego State |
$45,063,393 |
1,075,120 |
UNLV |
$44,467,342 |
718,990 |
Hawai'i |
$43,086,528 |
437,790 |
Air Force |
$41,438,813 |
343,990 |
Old Dominion |
$41,118,876 |
709,730 |
Tulane |
$41,004,900 |
641,550 |
Tulsa |
$40,329,852 |
526,960 |
Temple |
$39,888,882 |
2,949,310 |
Houston |
$39,486,396 |
2,215,650 |
East Carolina |
$38,723,518 |
303,280 |
Rice |
$37,693,040 |
2,215,650 |
Navy |
N/A |
1,085,070 |
Colorado State |
$36,944,157 |
1,566,460 |
Fresno State |
$36,436,560 |
576,820 |
UMass |
$33,475,242 |
252,950 |
Wyoming |
$32,966,973 |
111,620 |
Army |
$32,532,108 |
7,384,340 |
Akron |
$32,050,686 |
1,485,140 |
North Texas |
$31,182,673 |
2,588,020 |
Buffalo |
$31,134,149 |
632,150 |
UAB |
$30,805,171 |
717,530 |
Western Michigan |
$30,113,764 |
720,150 |
Eastern Michigan |
$30,081,523 |
1,845,920 |
New Mexico State |
$29,513,451 |
339,130 |
Marshall |
$29,441,144 |
455,490 |
Central Michigan |
$29,281,777 |
446,010 |
Middle Tennessee |
$29,036,660 |
1,014,910 |
Miami (Ohio) |
$28,712,466 |
897,890 |
UTEP |
$28,521,887 |
339,130 |
Texas State |
$28,378,049 |
705,280 |
Charlotte |
$28,366,612 |
1,136,420 |
San Jose State |
$27,815,957 |
2,502,030 |
Nevada |
$27,734,777 |
265,600 |
WKU |
$27,716,031 |
78,780 |
FIU |
$27,542,910 |
1,621,130 |
Georgia State |
$27,488,640 |
2,326,840 |
Ohio |
$27,298,719 |
455,490 |
UTSA |
$27,175,879 |
881,050 |
Toledo |
$26,304,331 |
409,550 |
Northern Illinois |
$26,130,115 |
3,484,800 |
Utah State |
$25,707,325 |
917,370 |
Ball State |
$25,245,450 |
1,089,700 |
Troy |
$24,628,741 |
241,930 |
Kent State |
$24,392,281 |
1,485,140 |
Florida Atlantic |
$24,033,024 |
794,310 |
Coastal Carolina |
$23,829,311 |
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Southern Miss |
$23,536,254 |
109,950 |
Bowling Green |
$23,306,965 |
409,550 |
South Alabama |
$22,960,759 |
525,990 |
LA-Lafayette |
$21,542,643 |
229,320 |
Arkansas State |
$20,151,793 |
80,740 |
Appalachian State |
$19,320,283 |
1,136,420 |
Louisiana Tech |
$19,239,017 |
560,370 |
Georgia Southern |
$18,109,721 |
334,750 |
UT Arlington |
$13,068,075 |
2,588,020 |
LA-Monroe |
$12,336,499 |
175,960 |
Little Rock |
$9,151,451 |
561,760 |
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
GOOD stuff. thanks.
Things like this are why i prefer coming here to discuss conference realignment than discussing them on the FSU boards. most people over there have no idea who is going where.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
Denver is headed for the Summit League, I believe.
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Originally Posted by
parialex
Denver is headed for the Summit League, I believe.
It's on there.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
In the beginning (or at least in 2010), Texas wanted their own network. Their conference mates resented it, and started looking for a way out. And then ...
Big10, Pac12, and SEC raided Big12.
Big12 raided BigEast.
Big10 (not to be outdone) raided ACC and BigEast.
ACC raided BigEast.
BigEast raided CUSA and MWC.
CUSA raided SunBelt and WAC. MWC raided WAC.
SunBelt raided WAC and Southland. WAC raided GreatWest and PacWest.
Southland raided GreatWest and LoneStar.
End results of Texas starting LHN ...
WAC football no longer exists.
GreatWest no longer exists at all.
Grand Canyon U. apparently exists.
Two other schools in Texas (ACU & IWU) will now play Division 1 football.
But maybe that was the plan all along. You know Texas politics ...
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
According to Brett McMurphy at the Mothership: https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN
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San Diego State expected to be reinstated to MWC today, remain all sports member & not join Big East sources tell
@espn.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
For all you Big East doubters, I added the NCAA MBB Unit Distribution table above. More reason why the Big East won't die and why every C-USA school would accept a Big East invite. It also shows you why we want Memphis and Southern Miss to make runs in the NCAA tournament this year.
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They will still go, but the Big East credits will drop to current CUSA standards shortly. As in football, just because those programs are "moving up" won't translate into a difference on the field/court. In a few years CUSA and the Big East will be nearly indistinguishable. They have markets, we will regional rivalries with fans that give a crap.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
RougeDawg
They will still go, but the Big East credits will drop to current CUSA standards shortly. As in football, just because those programs are "moving up" won't translate into a difference on the field/court. In a few years CUSA and the Big East will be nearly indistinguishable. They have markets, we will regional rivalries with fans that give a crap.
What do you think the membership of the two conferences will be?
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
Dawg06, that is a lot of work you have done. I appreciate your efforts.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
Dawg06
What do you think the membership of the two conferences will be?
Today's Guess:
Big East |
CUSA |
East |
East |
Temple |
Marshall |
South Florida |
MTSU |
East Carolina |
FIU |
UCF |
FAU |
Navy |
UNCC |
Umass |
Old Dominion |
West |
West |
So Miss |
LA Tech |
Tulsa |
UTEP |
Houston |
Rice |
SMU |
North Texas |
Tulane |
UAB |
Memphis |
UTSA |
Actually, after putting this together, Big East looks pretty regional too. HA! Still, I really don't think we are talking about a big difference to the average college fan between the two.
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Can we just combine the Eastern Divisions to form 1 conference and the Western Divsions to form another! :icon_wink:
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Originally Posted by
RougeDawg
Today's Guess:
Big East |
CUSA |
East |
East |
Temple |
Marshall |
South Florida |
MTSU |
East Carolina |
FIU |
UCF |
FAU |
Navy |
UNCC |
Umass |
Old Dominion |
West |
West |
So Miss |
LA Tech |
Tulsa |
UTEP |
Houston |
Rice |
SMU |
North Texas |
Tulane |
UAB |
Memphis |
UTSA |
Actually, after putting this together, Big East looks pretty regional too. HA! Still, I really don't think we are talking about a big difference to the average college fan between the two.
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Rouge...add WKU and NMSU to the CUSA outlook.
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I am still not so sure we don't eventually end up in the Big East - maybe at the same time as Southern Miss....
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I'd definitely prefer LaTech (or ODU or some other from a list schools) to UMass at this point. It bugs me that they're being mentioned again.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
parialex
I'd definitely prefer LaTech (or ODU or some other from a list schools) to UMass at this point. It bugs me that they're being mentioned again.
Paralex, you are in great standing on this Board. We like you. You need to say you prefer La Tech over anyone else. ODU doesn't even have close to the reputation that we have nationally. I am shocked that UMass is even being considered. I know the "market" issue, but Southern Miss is being considered. Also, market is so much more than just the city you are in.........
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I wouldn't be honest if I said I would prefer you over Southern Miss. You're my choice after that. I mention ODU because if they went that direction, I'd be happier with it than if they went with the UMass. Ditto UTSA, Rice, and UTEP (In no particular order, as an incomplete list).
Aside from market, the only reason I can think of why UMass/ODU might have an advantage is divisioning.I
I don't think that market is all-important, which is one of the reasons I think USM is being considered and I'd hope you would be, too. ODU does have good market position, and a lot of potential, though they're still new and an unknown. They're my next preference after you, though. UMass just leaves me cold, the more I read about their current situation.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
parialex
I wouldn't be honest if I said I would prefer you over Southern Miss. You're my choice after that. I mention ODU because if they went that direction, I'd be happier with it than if they went with the UMass. Ditto UTSA, Rice, and UTEP (In no particular order, as an incomplete list).
Aside from market, the only reason I can think of why UMass/ODU might have an advantage is divisioning.I
I don't think that market is all-important, which is one of the reasons I think USM is being considered and I'd hope you would be, too. ODU does have good market position, and a lot of potential, though they're still new and an unknown. They're my next preference after you, though. UMass just leaves me cold, the more I read about their current situation.
I can live with that. I think Southern Miss and La. Tech would add a lot of name appeal over any other team being mentioned and, let's face it, name appeal is what the Big East is going to need over UMass or ODU.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
sportdawg
Can we just combine the Eastern Divisions to form 1 conference and the Western Divsions to form another! :icon_wink:
That would make way too much sense.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
sportdawg
Can we just combine the Eastern Divisions to form 1 conference and the Western Divsions to form another! :icon_wink:
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
That would make way too much sense.
We'd love it, but it's the ole "why isn't Tech in the SunBelt" argument we've heard for years from the standpoint of Houston and SMU (and UCF/USF).
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
We'd love it, but it's the ole "why isn't Tech in the SunBelt" argument we've heard for years from the standpoint of Houston and SMU (and UCF/USF).
Bingo.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
parialex
Bingo.
Really? I haven't heard that argument from any of those schools.......
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
I've been saying from the start that UH didn't want to be with NT, UTSA, and that U_F didn't want to be with F_U.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
parialex
I've been saying from the start that UH didn't want to be with NT, UTSA, and that U_F didn't want to be with F_U.
Well...who does? We don't either.
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If you believe USM has a shot to get in you aren't keeping up. USM fans know they have some major housekeeping to do. They have zero chance for at least two years.
We are behind them in the running.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
TYLERTECHSAS
Well...who does?
I know this one! New Mexico State and the entire membership of the Sun Belt!
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
If you believe USM has a shot to get in you aren't keeping up. USM fans know they have some major housekeeping to do. They have zero chance for at least two years.
I'd hate to see long-term decisions be made on the basis of a two-or-three year hardship. Of course, the same could be said of UMass (maybe everything will be awesome when they get their stadium done and all that), but at least with USM we know that contributing isn't their problem. It seems to me that one of the biggest things the conference needs to worry about at the moment is competitiveness*. Not being left behind by the MWC. That's where I'd like to think USM comes in, and why I hope they've been name-checked a couple times.
* - So what's up with ODU being so high on my list? I believe that they will be a dominant force in C*USA East.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
parialex
I've been saying from the start that UH didn't want to be with NT, UTSA, and that U_F didn't want to be with F_U.
I was referring to the Tech in the Belch. I may have misunderstood the comparison. My point was that I haven't heard Houston, SMU, Tulsa, etc.... say anything about they didn't want to be in a conference with us. I understand not wanting to be in a conference with UNT, F_U, or UTSA. We don't either....... And the comparison holds true with us not wanting to be associated with belch schools.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
champion110
I was referring to the Tech in the Belch. I may have misunderstood the comparison. My point was that I haven't heard Houston, SMU, Tulsa, etc.... say anything about they didn't want to be in a conference with us. I understand not wanting to be in a conference with UNT, F_U, or UTSA. We don't either....... And the comparison holds true with us not wanting to be associated with belch schools.
But that is the reason that you can't just split the conjectured list up above down the middle.
From a Tech standpoint, it just looks like a no-brainer decision (just like most non-Tech folks could never understand why we'd travel in the WAC instead of playing closer to home in the SB). But the reason it won't happen (as awesome as it would be for Tech) is because Houston and SMU don't want to play with UTSA and UNT, and USF/UCF don't want to play with FIU/FAU. It doesn't have anything (or at least not much) with anyone wanting or not wanting to play with Tech per se.
If you swapped us and Tulane for some reason, you'd still get opposition to splitting that group geographically for the same reasons.
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Originally Posted by
inudesu
But that is the reason that you can't just split the conjectured list up above down the middle.
From a Tech standpoint, it just looks like a no-brainer decision (just like most non-Tech folks could never understand why we'd travel in the WAC instead of playing closer to home in the SB). But the reason it won't happen (as awesome as it would be for Tech) is because Houston and SMU don't want to play with UTSA and UNT, and USF/UCF don't want to play with FIU/FAU. It doesn't have anything (or at least not much) with anyone wanting or not wanting to play with Tech per se.
If you swapped us and Tulane for some reason, you'd still get opposition to splitting that group geographically for the same reasons.
I agree with what you are saying. It is the reason we need to be trying to get in the Big East. Who would have ever thought that the Big East would be just as regional as CUSA for us.........
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We either out recruit or give those schools a run for their money in recruiting. Having us as conference mates takes away the perception advantage they gained by being in a separate conference. This was the primary reason we always got so much hate from Tulane and Memphis, but SMU enjoys not being associate with us too. Tulsa will soon enough.
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
We either out recruit or give those schools a run for their money in recruiting. Having us as conference mates takes away the perception advantage they gained by being in a separate conference. This was the primary reason we always got so much hate from Tulane and Memphis, but SMU enjoys not being associate with us too. Tulsa will soon enough.
I don't know how the administration of SMU feels, but I feel nothing but respect from them over here in Texas. SMU, Houston, and Rice all seem to have a very favorable view towards our name and who we are. The only perception problem I have seen is in N. Louisiana. Now, Tulane may be a whole different story.
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champion110
I don't know how the administration of SMU feels, but I feel nothing but respect from them over here in Texas. SMU, Houston, and Rice all seem to have a very favorable view towards our name and who we are. The only perception problem I have seen is in N. Louisiana. Now, Tulane may be a whole different story.
100% true. This area is so insecure of itself it hurts to watch.
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TYLERTECHSAS
100% true. This area is so insecure of itself it hurts to watch.
So true...... Just wish we had the same reputation in N. Louisiana as most of the rest of the country. Thinking is too small..........
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The thinking in N.La isn't keeping us out of the BE.
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maddawg
The thinking in N.La isn't keeping us out of the BE.
Maybe -- but it doesnt help.
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inudesu
Better than C-USA fo sho. Do these people edit anymore?
number does not include however, that the ability for the league to sale games that are not protected by CBS Sports, approximately 15 games
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maddawg
The thinking in N.La isn't keeping us out of the BE.
Think about it........ The media, the alumni, the communities, and the administration. Any one of these causes a ripple effect on the others. It does matter...... lsu has a role in this, but I hand it to them to make the people of N. Louisiana think the way they do. It is so pervasive in Shreveport that they think we are in a different division. Outside of the state, we stand on our own name alone.
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champion110
Think about it........ The media, the alumni, the communities, and the administration. Any one of these causes a ripple effect on the others. It does matter...... lsu has a role in this, but I hand it to them to make the people of N. Louisiana think the way they do. It is so pervasive in Shreveport that they think we are in a different division. Outside of the state, we stand on our own name alone.
But this is about money.
It's the demographics of North Louisiana not the mindset of the people living there that has Tech in CUSA instead of the "Big" East.
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inudesu
But this is about money.
It's the demographics of North Louisiana not the mindset of the people living there that has Tech in CUSA instead of the "Big" East.
You can draw a direct corralation between what I stated and money. I happen to think it has more to do with not marketing ourselves in the right way to conference officials - more than the money. However, even if you think it is just about money, that goes back to the mindset.
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Champion110, I completely agree with your point about mindset. Having lived in WAC/MWC country for more than a decade, I can tell you that the Louisiana Tech name is known and respected. Fans outside of North Louisiana view us (and themselves) very differently than fans in North La.
And, when you read articles about Tech in the Las Vegas Review Journal or the Fresno Bee, you don't see the writers taking shots at the fans and teams like the Shreveport Times does. Mindset plays a big role in this.
I also agree that the mindset has a big impact on money. How many Tech alumni live in Shreveport-Bosser, but don't attend Tech games or give money to the program? How many of those same fans attend games in BR, or give money to that school? If they weren't beaten down by the Shreveport bandwagon mentality, they would give more to Tech and would not wait until we played in Independence Stadium to go see a game. School pride has a lot to do with money donated and mindset has everything to do with school pride.
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Champion110, I completely agree with your point about mindset. Having lived in WAC/MWC country for more than a decade, I can tell you that the Louisiana Tech name is known and respected. Fans outside of North Louisiana view us (and themselves) very differently than fans in North La.
And, when you read articles about Tech in the Las Vegas Review Journal or the Fresno Bee, you don't see the writers taking shots at the fans and teams like the Shreveport Times does. Mindset plays a big role in this.
I also agree that the mindset has a big impact on money. How many Tech alumni live in Shreveport-Bosser, but don't attend Tech games or give money to the program? How many of those same fans attend games in BR, or give money to that school? If they weren't beaten down by the Shreveport bandwagon mentality, they would give more to Tech and would not wait until we played in Independence Stadium to go see a game. School pride has a lot to do with money donated and mindset has everything to do with school pride.
Thank you and AMEN to your post!
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StrayDawg
Champion110, I completely agree with your point about mindset. Having lived in WAC/MWC country for more than a decade, I can tell you that the Louisiana Tech name is known and respected. Fans outside of North Louisiana view us (and themselves) very differently than fans in North La.
And, when you read articles about Tech in the Las Vegas Review Journal or the Fresno Bee, you don't see the writers taking shots at the fans and teams like the Shreveport Times does. Mindset plays a big role in this.
I also agree that the mindset has a big impact on money. How many Tech alumni live in Shreveport-Bosser, but don't attend Tech games or give money to the program? How many of those same fans attend games in BR, or give money to that school? If they weren't beaten down by the Shreveport bandwagon mentality, they would give more to Tech and would not wait until we played in Independence Stadium to go see a game. School pride has a lot to do with money donated and mindset has everything to do with school pride.
100% correct.
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champion110
You can draw a direct corralation between what I stated and money. I happen to think it has more to do with not marketing ourselves in the right way to conference officials - more than the money. However, even if you think it is just about money, that goes back to the mindset.
Well, sure. If we had more fans we'd be more attractive (because we'd have more money and draw bigger ratings, etc.). There are any number of reasons we don't have more fans.
But SMU/Houston/USF/whoever is left in the BE isn't saying to themselves "who gives us the best regional attitude?" they're saying "who adds value in real terms?" They want some combination of market potential and on-field reputation. They've already invited Memphis and Tulane, which should tell you which side of that equation they place the most weight on.
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inudesu
Well, sure. If we had more fans we'd be more attractive (because we'd have more money and draw bigger ratings, etc.). There are any number of reasons we don't have more fans.
But SMU/Houston/USF/whoever is left in the BE isn't saying to themselves "who gives us the best regional attitude" they're saying "who adds value in real terms." They want some combination of market potential and on-field reputation. They've already invited Memphis and Tulane, which should tell you which side of that equation they place the most weight.
We have the fans and numbers. We aren't marketed correctly.
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inudesu
Well, sure. If we had more fans we'd be more attractive (because we'd have more money and draw bigger ratings, etc.). There are any number of reasons we don't have more fans.
But SMU/Houston/USF/whoever is left in the BE isn't saying to themselves "who gives us the best regional attitude" they're saying "who adds value in real terms." They want some combination of market potential and on-field reputation. They've already invited Memphis and Tulane, which should tell you which side of that equation they place the most weight.
Except Tulane wasn't market. Not sure why they picked Tulane. Private with a large endowment, but other than they they offer NOTHING. As I've said before, I believe them picking Tulane was the final straw for the Catholics. Tulane was just a bizarre pick for them.
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maddawg
Except Tulane wasn't market. Not sure why they picked Tulane. Private with a large endowment, but other than they they offer NOTHING. As I've said before, I believe them picking Tulane was the final straw for the Catholics. Tulane was just a bizarre pick for them.
Picked because they were Catholic and possibly because they have a huge endowment IMHO. Had zero to do with market as Da Big Easy doesn't pay any attention to Tulane anymore. They haven't in at least 2 decades or longer.
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TYLERTECHSAS
Picked because they were Catholic and possibly because they have a huge endowment IMHO. Had zero to do with market as Da Big Easy doesn't pay any attention to Tulane anymore. They haven't in at least 2 decades or longer.
Tulane Catholic? Are you serious?
Market has nothing to do with who folks pay attention to. Never has. UNT will now be C-USA's Metroplex team and Middle will be the Nashville team from a market standpoint. It's all about DMA. New Orleans is not a large market and never has been desirable. That's why the market thing doesn't work for them.
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Tulane's not catholic is it?
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UCF President John Hitt helped Tulane get their Big East invite: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...517,full.story
Hitt texted the commissioner of the Big East about interest from Tulane University in joining the conference. "Scott Cowen at Tulane wants to talk with me about possibilities for Tulane in the Big East. Scott is a friend. Will listen and then call you. John," Hitt wrote to Big East Commissioner Mike Aresco. Aresco responded, "This would be a big one for us, important market, great school academically, and Scott would be in our tent on the BCS revenue share matter we have to deal with as well as other things."
The Greater New Orleans market is untapped by the Big East. It's not a huge market, but it's still a big market. It is a very good market for recruiting. New Orleans hosts 2-3 bowl games per year, and they hosted the Final Four last season. New Orleans is a great place to host NCAA events.
Tulane has invested heavily in their facilities.
- Tulane announced their new $60 million football stadium well after we announced Q4E, and they will have it completed well before we complete our $16 million value engineered end zone project.
- Tulane has completely renovated their basketball fieldhouse with a second phase to be completed before next school year (I'm still looking for a price tag), and we've yet to replace the original TAC scoreboard from 1982 that we were told would be replaced 2 years ago ($1 million?).
- Tulane constructed a brand new basketball and volleyball practice facility, and we just replaced the floor in Memorial Gym.
- Tulane built a brand new $10.5 million baseball stadium in 2008, and we just now doing a $450,000 renovation to our baseball stadium (and we're still $100,000 short).
- Tulane plans to build an Olympic-style village to house their track and field, cross country, tennis, and sand volleyball programs in addition to football practice fields. Our track doesn't even have permanent seating, and our track and field, cross country, and tennis programs don't even have locker rooms. Our plan is to stick those locker rooms and coaching officies in the south end zone of the football field along with our softball and soccer teams.
Tulane has a lot of money, a lot more money than we do.
Since the creation of C-USA in 1995, Tulane has been conference mates with Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, Houston, SMU, and UCF. That's everybody except UConn and Temple. We only shared a conference with SMU for a few years.
Also, Tulane boasts AAU membership, which blows all of our academic accomplishments out of the water. No comparison.
Remember, Tulane also had conversations with the Big 12.
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champion110
We have the fans and numbers. We aren't marketed correctly.
Look at the current BE membership.
Look at all the teams invited to CUSA before we were.
It's not just marketing. I agree that we offer more to a conference than many of those schools do. But the ones calling the shots have different priorities.
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parisdog
Tulane's not catholic is it?
No I believe it's not but growing up there I always thought is was having the all female university Newcomb next to and associated with Tulane (all male at the time) . Sorry as I was totally wrong.
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Tulane Catholic? Are you serious?
Market has nothing to do with who folks pay attention to. Never has. UNT will now be C-USA's Metroplex team and Middle will be the Nashville team from a market standpoint. It's all about DMA. New Orleans is not a large market and never has been desirable. That's why the market thing doesn't work for them.
Actually it's not. But I always thought it was even growing up in New Orleans with Newcomb (female) and Tulane (male) associated and next door to each other. Sorry!
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maddawg
If you believe USM has a shot to get in you aren't keeping up. USM fans know they have some major housekeeping to do. They have zero chance for at least two years.
We are behind them in the running.
According to ESPN's Andy Katz, Southern Miss is either No. 3 or No. 4 on the Big East's list.
1. Tulsa
2. UMass
3/4. Southern Miss and Rice
There's one Big East spot open right now for Tulsa.
After that, the timing all depends on the Maryland/ACC lawsuit. That's what the Big Ten and SEC are waiting on, and I doubt we'll have to wait 2 more years for that lawsuit to get settled.
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Dawg06
According to ESPN's Andy Katz, Southern Miss is either No. 3 or No. 4 on the Big East's list.
1. Tulsa
2. UMass
3/4. Southern Miss and Rice
There's one Big East spot open right now for Tulsa.
After that, the timing all depends on the Maryland/ACC lawsuit. That's what the Big Ten and SEC are waiting on, and I doubt we'll have to wait 2 more years for that lawsuit to get settled.
UMass is a stupid choice. And, they don't need Rice - they already have Houston. I guess the old CUSA schools are pulling Rice along with them - just like Tulane got the benefit.
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TYLERTECHSAS
Actually it's not. But I always thought it was even growing up in New Orleans with Newcomb (female) and Tulane (male) associated and next door to each other. Sorry!
The nickname for Tulane is far from Catholic.
'06 that was a great answer to my "why Tulane?" question. Still doesn't change the fact that they are losers. Traditional losers. One thing I question is the money they have and appear to be committed to spend. Their people have never committed to athletics in the past and don't care about athletics. They don't need athletics. Why are they now spending money they don't really need to spend?
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maddawg
The nickname for Tulane is far from Catholic.
'06 that was a great answer to my "why Tulane?" question. Still doesn't change the fact that they are losers. Traditional losers. One thing I question is the money they have and appear to be committed to spend. Their people have never committed to athletics in the past and don't care about athletics. They don't need athletics. Why are they now spending money they don't really need to spend?
Tulane has always been about name appeal. They want to be associated with SMU, Tulsa, and eventually Rice. They, also, want separation from any Louisiana school. They take pride in being a top private school. I can't blame them and they have done a good job with the name appeal. They don't don't care as much about athletics as they do about separation. They will do anything to keep it - especially spend.
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champion110
I guess the old CUSA schools are pulling Rice along with them - just like Tulane got the benefit.
Exactly! Which is why I posted somewhere that the CUSA schools seem to be a club. My perception is that they stick together and even if some move up, they look to bring the others up as soon as they can. And because of that, my gut feeling is that Tulsa, Rice, USM, and probably UAB and Marshall have a better chance of going to the BE before we do. Only UTEP seems to be a misfit and is not likely to get pulled up, but then they have, and are better suited for, the MWC. Just my perception of how the CUSA schools look out for each other.
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hookdown
not likely to get pulled
twss
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maddawg
Better than C-USA fo sho. Do these people edit anymore?
number does not include however, that the ability for the league to sale games that are not protected by CBS Sports, approximately 15 games
Don't YOU edit anymore? :laugh:
It's "sell", not "sale".
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UMass is a stupid choice. And, they don't need Rice - they already have Houston. I guess the old CUSA schools are pulling Rice along with them - just like Tulane got the benefit.
This whole BE realignment thing is really, really stupid, even for someone of my minimal intellect. :D. It's just dumb that all these former CUSA schools are rejoining each other in the new Big East. I'm starting not to care anymore.
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HogDawg
This whole BE realignment thing is really, really stupid, even for someone of my minimal intellect. :D. It's just dumb that all these former CUSA schools are rejoining each other in the new Big East. I'm starting not to care anymore.
I am getting to the same place. If they had stayed put, it would have been a better conference than what they are going to end up with. Plus, the fact that all these southern schools are not in the East. It will end up being a southern regional conference - the same one they left.
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I am getting to the same place. If they had stayed put, it would have been a better conference than what they are going to end up with. Plus, the fact that all these southern schools are not in the East. It will end up being a southern regional conference - the same one they left.
It'll be roughly the same, though with Temple, Navy, and South Florida most likely. Those are pretty good additions. So a mild improvement. Regionally, the footprint will extend further north (to Philly, Maryland, maybe Massachusetts) but obviously with mostly the same teams it's mostly the same footprint.
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One other thing: I wouldn't put too, too much stock in the list given to Katz. It came right after the BSU/SDSU defections and were probably knee-jerk choices. Brit Banowsky has, in his drawer, a full profile of 20 schools at any given time for precisely this sort of event. I don't think the same is true of Aresco. I think the mention of those four schools is, as much as anything, that they were among the first to come to mind.
I do think that there will be some favoritism towards those that have been with the C*USA. But, as with UMass's mention, it's obviously not iron-clad.
And, lastly, UTEP actually has more friends than a couple other schools. I don't think they would be getting in, due to geography and their failure to live up to the hopes that were had for them in C*USA (I think you're ahead of them, this time). But their "pariah" status has long been exaggerated, in my view.
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That's not the Champ110 I know. The BEast must be our next goal, and our admin better get to work on it yesterday. We better start caring, or we will get passed up by former Belch schools when more dominoes eventually fall down the road.
Follow. The. Money. You have to keep in mind that's what all this realignment is about. The BEast has more than 8x the NCAA MBB revenue per school than C-USA. The BEast has almost 2x the TV money per school than C-USA. The BEast is wallowing in significant exit fee money from 13 schools. The BEast will receive a greater football distribution than C-USA most years, if not every year. The BEast will still have better bowl opportunities than C-USA. The BEast will still have a better brand name and reputation than C-USA despite attempts by the media, MW, and C-USA to run them down.
Some of y'all sound like the Belch fans talking about C-USA. Wake up.
BEast > C-USA > Belch
Always has been and always will be.
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HogDawg
Don't YOU edit anymore? :laugh:
It's "sell", not "sale".
Dude
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Dawg06
That's not the Champ110 I know. The BEast must be our next goal, and our admin better get to work on it yesterday. We better start caring, or we will get passed up by former Belch schools when more dominoes eventually fall down the road.
Follow. The. Money. You have to keep in mind that's what all this realignment is about. The BEast has more than 8x the NCAA MBB revenue per school than C-USA. The BEast has almost 2x the TV money per school than C-USA. The BEast is wallowing in significant exit fee money from 13 schools. The BEast will receive a greater football distribution than C-USA most years, if not every year. The BEast will still have better bowl opportunities than C-USA. The BEast will still have a better brand name and reputation than C-USA despite attempts by the media, MW, and C-USA to run them down.
Some of y'all sound like the Belch fans talking about C-USA. Wake up.
BEast > C-USA > Belch
Always has been and always will be.
:D I am still the same Champ110......... No worries there. I know the Big East is where we need to be and I HOPE that our administration is hard at work trying to get us there. H, I want the B12! Anyway, I just see where HD is coming from. It gets frustrating, because the conference basically is picking up and leaving. It is just like what happened in the WAC and we waited years to be able to get back. Now, we must do it again - except with the Big East. Let's just hope we our administration sees it NOW and not later.
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parialex
One other thing: I wouldn't put too, too much stock in the list given to Katz. It came right after the BSU/SDSU defections and were probably knee-jerk choices. Brit Banowsky has, in his drawer, a full profile of 20 schools at any given time for precisely this sort of event. I don't think the same is true of Aresco. I think the mention of those four schools is, as much as anything, that they were among the first to come to mind.
I do think that there will be some favoritism towards those that have been with the C*USA. But, as with UMass's mention, it's obviously not iron-clad.
And, lastly, UTEP actually has more friends than a couple other schools. I don't think they would be getting in, due to geography and their failure to live up to the hopes that were had for them in C*USA (I think you're ahead of them, this time). But their "pariah" status has long been exaggerated, in my view.
Katz is employed by ESPN, the Big East's television rights holder, and that's why I put stock in what he said. There have been several other sources indicate that Tulsa then UMass are at the top of the Big East's list. Until the ACC/Maryland lawsuit is settled, all that really matters is the one school at the top of the list (Tulsa).
At this point, every school's resume seeking an invitation to the Big East has at least one glaring weakness.
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It's not that I think Katz is wrong, rather I think the information he got was premature. More about their first thoughts than actual judgments. Which may turn out to be the same thing. I just think that information came out too quickly to be a firm indication of where the conference is going to go. The only constant I have heard is Tulsa. So that's the only one I am banking on (barring something unforeseen.
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Dawg06
The BEast has more than 8x the NCAA MBB revenue per school than C-USA.
Right, but how much of that goes with the Catholic schools when they leave (and they are expected to fight for the BE name as well)?
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hookdown
Right, but how much of that goes with the Catholic schools when they leave (and they are expected to fight for the BE name as well)?
$0. The units should stay with the Big East unless the conference dissolves.
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The Catholic schools don't need units anyway. They'll probably have 4 at large teams in year one with no auto-bids.
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Let me add this.
According to Joe Lunardi's projected bracket for this season:
- Big East expected to earn 18 units
- C-USA expected to earn 1 unit
The Big East's 18 expected units would replace their 13 units from 2007. Net +5 units.
C-USA's 1 expected unit would replace their 4 units from 2007. Net -3 units.
For 2013-14, projected MBB distribution payouts would be:
- Big East: $30,512,932
- C-USA: $3,751,590
Projected BC$ football money for 2013-14:
- Big East: $25 million
- C-USA: $4 million
Projected TV revenue for 2013-14:
- Big East: $33 million
- C-USA: $16 million
Those 3 items total for 2013-14:
- Big East: $88.51 million
- C-USA: $23.75 million
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Dawg06
Let me add this.
According to Joe Lunardi's projected bracket for this season:
- Big East expected to earn 18 units
- C-USA expected to earn 1 unit
The Big East's 18 expected units would replace their 13 units from 2007. Net +5 units.
C-USA's 1 expected unit would replace their 4 units from 2007. Net -3 units.
For 2013-14, projected MBB distribution payouts would be:
- Big East: $30,512,932
- C-USA: $3,751,590
Projected BC$ football money for 2013-14:
- Big East: $25 million
- C-USA: $4 million
Projected TV revenue for 2013-14:
- Big East: $33 million
- C-USA: $16 million
Those 3 items total for 2013-14:
- Big East: $88.51 million
- C-USA: $23.75 million
Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.
But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.
It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.
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inudesu
Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.
But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.
It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.
This!!!! Dawg06 knows this, he just refuses to acknowledge it.
Any gains SMU, Tulane and Houston earn from being members of the new Big East will only be "transitional". It's money found from sitting in the right chair when the music stops. But as others pointed out, a non-AQ new Big East conference holds very little "value advantage" over a non-AQ CUSA. They will BOTH still be non-AQ's. When the smoke clears, it's still SMU, Tulane, Houston and Memphis,......not Alabama, Texas or Ohio St. No TV network is going to compensate a non-AQ nBE with AQ dollars.
HD
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inudesu
Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.
But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.
It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.
The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.
The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.
The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.
The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.
Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.
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Kennesaw State will start up a football program in 2015. Part of Benson's survival plan?
http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2013/2/1...214133151.aspx
UMass-Lowell moving up to Division I and will join the America East Conference.
http://www.goriverhawks.com/news/201...x?path=general
Monmouth football will move from the Northeast Conference to the Big South Conference.
http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewAr...CLID=206394001
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Re: Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread
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Dawg06
The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.
The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.
The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.
The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.
Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.
I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg06
The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.
The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.
The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.
The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.
Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.
If i were Cincy or UConn I would demand that the 2nd tier rights stay with the team. they can get a better package with their regional sports networks (FSN Ohio, or YES) than they could as part of a Big East 2nd Tier deal. it will still leave them far behind the AQ conferences, but it can put them ahead of the Big Priest deal.
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champion110
I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.
they can't leave unless they have somewhere to go. ACC won't pick up UConn and Cincy unless they have to. and if they have to...UConn+Cincy won't be enough to save the conference.
if the rumors of a raid on the ACC are true, i don't think the ACC will reload. i think it will cease to exist!
Big Ten is going for the throat in an attempt to get ND. let's assume it is successful...ACC loses UVA, UNC, FSU, and ND to the B1G.
SEC gets VT and NCSU. (this is the plan B for the SEC. plan A is UNC+Dook)
Big 12 gets Miami, GT, CU, and UL
that leaves Dook, WF, Pitt, Cuse, and BC left.
expect an ACC-Big East merger to get to 16 teams. Big East currently has 11. they have not yet invited Tulsa because they are waiting to see what happens with the ACC.
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champion110
I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.
Like Hitman said, UConn and Cincy can't go anywhere until they have somewhere to go. If they do get an invite to move up to the ACC, it means that the Big East will raid C-USA again for their most valuable schools (and could take UMass).
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Dawg06
Like Hitman said, UConn and Cincy can't go anywhere until they have somewhere to go. If they do get an invite to move up to the ACC, it means that the Big East will raid C-USA again for their most valuable schools (and could take UMass).
And the tv deal on the next round will be worse......... Face it, the Big East is CUSA. Yes, I want to be there, but they basically will end up with what they started. The Big East name will not be worth much soon either. UConn will find a home - ACC or not. They are not going to stay with the new group. Cincy will be next, if they don't go together.
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CUSA won't look like the conference we had hoped to join, but it is still absolutely the best place we could have hoped to land at this time. Can you imagine how we'd feel if we were in the predicament that ULL finds itself in right now? Even if CUSA loses one or two more members, the Cajuns are an unlikely candidate as a replacement. They are stuck in a Sunbelt Conference that will soon look a lot like the Southland Conference. They'll be joined at the hip with ULM for a very long time. Thank goodness that isn't us. It very easily could have been.
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brtransplant
CUSA won't look like the conference we had hoped to join, but it is still absolutely the best place we could have hoped to land at this time. Can you imagine how we'd feel if we were in the predicament that ULL finds itself in right now? Even if CUSA loses one or two more members, the Cajuns are an unlikely candidate as a replacement. They are stuck in a Sunbelt Conference that will soon look a lot like the Southland Conference. They'll be joined at the hip with ULM for a very long time. Thank goodness that isn't us. It very easily could have been.
Totally agree........ I hope the posts by anyone don't indicate that we are not happy about getting in CUSA. We all just wish it was the same CUSA. Have to keep striving for more, anyway. Never be satisfied. Even if it was the same teams, we should be figuring out the next step.
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champion110
Totally agree........ I hope the posts by anyone don't indicate that we are not happy about getting in CUSA. We all just wish it was the same CUSA. Have to keep striving for more, anyway. Never be satisfied. Even if it was the same teams, we should be figuring out the next step.
Which is sort of our perspective on the Big East. No, it's not exactly what we were hoping for. Well, it's not close to what we were hoping for. But it's still the best place available to us, and a mild improvement over where we previously were.
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I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.
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counselingdawg
I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.
Agreed! Only thing "wrong" with the MWC is that whole geography thing....
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parialex
Which is sort of our perspective on the Big East. No, it's not exactly what we were hoping for. Well, it's not close to what we were hoping for. But it's still the best place available to us, and a mild improvement over where we previously were.
Actually, I'd say it's just about IDENTICAL to where you were previously. :laugh:
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HogDawg
Actually, I'd say it's just about IDENTICAL to where you were previously. :laugh:
They get quite a raise from the previous conference. He was being nice when he described it as "mild".
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counselingdawg
I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.
I agree. But only because all the "best of the rest from the west" share the same conference. In the west, the best non-BCS teams/programs aren't scattered throughout several conferences. Effective 2013, they will all reside in the MWC.
Unlike the MWC, the new Big East doesn't have all the best non-BCS teams and programs east of the Mississippi. Clearly, CUSA has some of the best non-BCS programs, and the Big East definitely has some of the best and worst programs. Just a fact.
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maddawg
They get quite a raise from the previous conference. He was being nice when he described it as "mild".
Transitional, transitional, transitional. It's "transitional" money only. And it's got nothing to do with Houston, SMU or Memphis, per se. Rather, those schools will just happen to be sitting in the chairs when the music stops. They'll get a nice revenue bump for a couple of years --from former members' exit fees, leftover NCAA Tournament money, etc....-- and then reality will set in.
It's still hard to believe that all those schools leaving Big East are willing to leave that much money behind.
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HogDawg
Transitional, transitional, transitional. It's "transitional" money only. And it's got nothing to do with Houston, SMU or Memphis, per se. Rather, those schools will just happen to be sitting in the chairs when the music stops. They'll get a nice revenue bump for a couple of years --from exit fees, leftover Tournament money, etc....-- and then reality will set in.
Yeah, they should have just stayed in C-USA, refused the extra millions in "transitional" money, and accepted reality. Nevermind that extra TV revenue. That will eventually come back to what C-USA is getting too right?
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HogDawg
Actually, I'd say it's just about IDENTICAL to where were previously. :laugh:
Even the worst TV contract estimates are better than what we had.
But I was referring as much as anything to replacing the left-behinds with Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple, and Navy. That's improvement. And if the first two go, then still mild improvement because the other two are better than most of the schools we left and ione of the replacements would likely include the last of the winning teams from the conference we left.
We temporarily have an influx of cash and better bowl bids, and past that still at least a little better than what we had.
This wasn't what we were hoping for, far from it, but better than the status quo.
Addendum: I should correct my initial statement. The perspective I give applies to me, and I think applies to our leadership, but a lot of fans are really, really upset and think that unless we get a better invite we're doomed. But these same people called C*USA by a derogatory moniker, so I'm not even sure they view it as strictly lateral. They thought C*USA would kill us, too. I've only seen a couple people suggest that there is truly no difference. Mostly that it wasn't the improvement we need.
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counselingdawg
I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.
I still lean towards thinking that UH should have tried to work something out with the MWC (though I am probably missing the bigger picture or overestimating what we might have been able to work out). I think they'll be the beat us out in terms of competition, to be perfectly honest (depending on what the BE looks like), or it'll be really close. It's hard to say what the financials will look like (except for Boise State, which is going to make out very, very well, to the detriment of others).
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HogDawg
I agree. But only because all the "best of the rest from the west" share the same conference. In the west, the best non-BCS teams/programs aren't scattered throughout several conferences. Effective 2013, they will all reside in the MWC.
*Cough* *Cough* BYU *Cough* *Cough*
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maddawg
Yeah, they should have just stayed in C-USA, refused the extra millions in "transitional" money, and accepted reality. Nevermind that extra TV revenue. That will eventually come back to what C-USA is getting too right?
I never said they should stay in CUSA, and I certainly never said they shouldn't accept the "transitional" money. The short term advantages of doing so were duly noted in my previous post. But NONE of this changes the real street value of the non-AQ athletic programs at SMU, Tulane, Houston and Memphis.
These new Big East programs aren't going to suddenly become super valuable commodities simply because they changed the name on their conference door.
SMU football will still draw 12K at home.....and that will look BAD on TV.
Tulane football will still draw 8K at home......and that will look VERY BAD on TV.
Memphis will still post 2-10 football records every couple of years, so it will be very tough for TV networks to sell Memphis football to the masses.
And Houston will still be an "up and down" program that has trouble consistently drawing more than 23K.
I have nothing against these programs. But all this talk about huge TV contracts being imminent for these "non-AQ" schools is a pipe dream.
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GrassyNoleHitman
*Cough* *Cough* BYU *Cough* *Cough*
Fair enough....I will concede that the new MWC will be missing ONE (1) high quality non-AQ from out west: BYU. But that could change at any moment. Besides, now that Boise St & SDSU are back, I don't think the new MWC will miss BYU at all.
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parialex
Even the worst TV contract estimates are better than what we had.
That's not a surprise. Any new TV contract negotiated today is certainly going to be worth more than one that was negotiated 5-10 years ago. The question is, will the new TV contract be marginally better, or will it be MUCH better?