Independence Bowl sets sights on stability

From the front page of today's Shreveport Times:

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“We’ve been through a lot the past few years,” I-Bowl executive director Missy Setters told The Times on Wednesday. “The future of the game is trending back up to a point where we have conference partners and selections high enough that it gets the fans here excited about it.”

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“Shreveport gets a bad rap about not supporting things,” said Jack Andres, the chairman of the 2012 game. “But we’ve had incredible support through thick and thin.”

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http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...ghts-stability

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“Shreveport gets a bad rap about not supporting things,” said Jack Andres, the chairman of the 2012 game.

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It's because they don't support things.

Okay . . . somebody suggest a C-USA tie-in, just to see what kind of response miss missy gives.

I just did add my comment to their story.

Big name, big gate
The last time the Independence Bowl drew more than 42,000 was in 2009, the last time an SEC team was featured in the game. Attendance has directly reflected the matchups.
2012, ULM (Sun Belt) vs. Ohio (MAC) 41,853
2011, Missouri (Big 12) vs. North Carolina (ACC) 41,728
2010, Air Force (Mountain West) vs. Georgia Tech (ACC) 39,362
2009, Georgia (SEC) vs. Texas A&M 49,653
2008, Louisiana Tech (WAC) vs. Northern Illinois (MAC) 41,567
2007, Alabama (SEC) vs. Colorado (Big 12) 47,043

I want them to stop using the 41,853 numbers from last year. They know they did not fill that stadium at 80% capacity.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q1Eb9Fi0cp...dence+bowl.jpg

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When the SEC couldn’t fill its allotment and the ACC lot was left dry when Miami removed itself from bowl consideration, the AdvoCare V100 Independence Bowl was left with ULM and Ohio University.

“People were disappointed last year,” Setters said. “And we were too because we couldn’t get an SEC or ACC team. Although we had two teams that loved to be here, and we enjoyed that, there is a natural progression and you want to put yourself in a position to get the best picks you can.”

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Well, at least Missy Setters now admits that the Indy Bowl committee screwed the pooch last year by inviting ULM & Ohio. Fact is, nobody cared about that silly match-up, and it cost the Indy Bowl dearly in ticket sales and lack of prestige. After the ULM-Ohio fiasco --and with local favorite LA Tech uninvited, and sitting at home with a 9 win team-- I'm sure Setters and Company have heard an earful from the locals. I'm sure she is having trouble "selling" the 2013 Indy Bowl to the local sponsors and supporters.

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Originally Posted by qng001

Big name, big gate
The last time the Independence Bowl drew more than 42,000 was in 2009, the last time an SEC team was featured in the game. Attendance has directly reflected the matchups.
2012, ULM (Sun Belt) vs. Ohio (MAC) 41,853
2011, Missouri (Big 12) vs. North Carolina (ACC) 41,728
2010, Air Force (Mountain West) vs. Georgia Tech (ACC) 39,362
2009, Georgia (SEC) vs. Texas A&M 49,653
2008, Louisiana Tech (WAC) vs. Northern Illinois (MAC) 41,567
2007, Alabama (SEC) vs. Colorado (Big 12) 47,043

I want them to stop using the 41,853 numbers from last year. They know they did not fill that stadium at 80% capacity.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q1Eb9Fi0cp...dence+bowl.jpg

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:laugh: That picture is PRICELESS!!!

As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. :laugh:

2011, Missouri (Big 12) vs. North Carolina (ACC) 41,728
(played in a downpour)

http://media.columbiamissourian.com/...w600_h3000.jpg

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Originally Posted by qng001

Big name, big gate
The last time the Independence Bowl drew more than 42,000 was in 2009, the last time an SEC team was featured in the game. Attendance has directly reflected the matchups.
2012, ULM (Sun Belt) vs. Ohio (MAC) 41,853
2011, Missouri (Big 12) vs. North Carolina (ACC) 41,728
2010, Air Force (Mountain West) vs. Georgia Tech (ACC) 39,362
2009, Georgia (SEC) vs. Texas A&M 49,653
2008, Louisiana Tech (WAC) vs. Northern Illinois (MAC) 41,567
2007, Alabama (SEC) vs. Colorado (Big 12) 47,043

I want them to stop using the 41,853 numbers from last year. They know they did not fill that stadium at 80% capacity.

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Official Shreveport Parks and Recreation turnstile count of the 2012 ULM-Ohio Indy Bowl was 19,203.

And here is the juco's side:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_O2iq7CEAAOj42.jpg:large

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Originally Posted by Dawg06

Official Shreveport Parks and Recreation turnstile count of the 2012 ULM-Ohio Indy Bowl was 19,203.

And here is the juco's side:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_O2iq7CEAAOj42.jpg:large

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That picture is very misleading. During what point of the game was that taken?

Because here is another shot of their side that is almost completely full:

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps992b7314.jpg

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Originally Posted by ITdrummer

That picture is very misleading. During what point of the game was that taken?

Because here is another shot of their side that is almost completely full:

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...ps992b7314.jpg

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Start of halftime.

That pic you posted is misleading because of the angle. Those seats in the center never filled.

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Originally Posted by Dawg06

Middle of third quarter.

That pic you posted is misleading because of the angle. Those seats in the center never filled.

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Maybe so, but if it were as empty as the one you posted, it wouldn't look like that.

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Originally Posted by ITdrummer

Maybe so, but if it were as empty as the one you posted, it wouldn't look like that.

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ULM brought about 15,000.
Ohio brought about 2,000.
About 2,000 locals with free tickets from corporate sponsors showed up.
That's the 19,203.

Early 2nd quarter

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1d62207a.jpg

2008 Independence Bowl
La Tech (7-5) vs. NIU (6-6)
Official attendance: 41,567

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Looks like somebody couldn't afford to sit in the good seats.

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Originally Posted by DONW

Looks like somebody couldn't afford to sit in the good seats.

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It means the sponsors couldn't find locals who wanted to use their free tickets.

I love the word "proof" on the photo's. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by champion110

I love the word "proof" on the photo's. :laugh:

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THAT is funny.
This set was taken (like all my attendance photos) are taken at the end of the 1st quarter.

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Originally Posted by Dawg06

ULM brought about 15,000.
Ohio brought about 2,000.
About 2,000 locals with free tickets from corporate sponsors showed up.
That's the 19,203.

Early 2nd quarter

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1d62207a.jpg

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All of those empty seats are season ticket holders for the Independence Bowl. They did not show up and could not even give their tickets away.

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Originally Posted by ITdrummer

Maybe so, but if it were as empty as the one you posted, it wouldn't look like that.

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Due to the side shot angle, the empty chairs are not seen. Also, it's not a hi-res photo. There is some smearing on that image located at the middle bottom section.

I was there and estimated about....20-25K (tops). I posted on here right after the game....it was cold, BTW...a number, but can't remember exactly what it was. If the turnstile count of 19,203 is official, I can't argue against it, since I est. in the low-mid-20's. I can say there were more ULM fans than Ohio fans! that much is true.

Let the I-Bowl die!!!

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

Let the I-Bowl die!!!

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You just guaranteed it a LONG life. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Tech77

You just guaranteed it a LONG life. :laugh:

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NO, cause I won't do ANYTHING to keep the I-Bowl alive. I keep the If you want a thread to die alive, but as far as my opinion goes.....the I-Bowl is the Toilet Bowl!!!! I-Bowl needs to die...and soon!!!

I was at the game till just into the 3rd quarter. . It was in the low 40's and with the wind chill it felt like 33 (if I remember my weather app correctly) plus it started raining. Don't kid yourselves, if Tech was in the game, attendance wouldn't have been worlds better. It was a freaking miserable day to sit outside.

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Originally Posted by LThoo

I was at the game till just into the 3rd quarter. . It was in the low 40's and with the wind chill it felt like 33 (if I remember my weather app correctly) plus it started raining. Don't kid yourselves, if Tech was in the game, attendance wouldn't have been worlds better. It was a freaking miserable day to sit outside.

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The Indy Bowl is always freezing cold. Every year.

I boycotted the Ohio-Juco bowl, but all the weather reports said that all the rain had moved through the area before 10:00 AM.

2007 Independence Bowl
Alabama vs. Colorado
Freezing cold

2008 Independence Bowl
La Tech (7-5) vs. NIU (6-6)
Sunday, December 28, 2008
44 degrees at 7:17 pm kickoff
36 degrees at 10:43 pm game's end
Partly cloudy, winds ESE 3 mph, humidity 69%
Official attendance: 41,567

2009 Independence Bowl
Georgia vs. Texas A&M
Freezing cold

2010 Independence Bowl
Air Force vs. Georgia Tech
Freezing cold

2011 Independence Bowl
Missouri vs. North Carolina
Pouring down rain

2012 Independence Bowl
La-Mon (8-4) vs. Ohio (8-4)
Friday, December 28, 2012
42 degrees at 1:06 pm kickoff
40 degrees at 4:13 pm game's end
Cloudy, winds NNE 8 mph
Official attendance: 41,853
SPAR turnstile count: 19,203

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

Let the I-Bowl die!!!

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CUSA going to lose a couple conference tie-ins-- what if CUSA commits to 2nd or third team ? would we want it to die? I started ripping the I-bowl the friday evening before the selection,I had been told I-bowl was "pissed" at Tech. I have some great memories of I-bowl and Tech. I am still irritated but the leadership of the bowl can be tuned up -- the Bowl itself would be great with new leadership -- promise people the worst team from a conferebce (9th in SEC) and whatever from whatever has never made sense to me. Some really good people have put in 35 yrs of free effort to keep it alive, just need a new vision

................by moving to a new city

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Originally Posted by LThoo

I was at the game till just into the 3rd quarter. . It was in the low 40's and with the wind chill it felt like 33 (if I remember my weather app correctly) plus it started raining. Don't kid yourselves, if Tech was in the game, attendance wouldn't have been worlds better. It was a freaking miserable day to sit outside.

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Keep telling yourself that, but if TECH was there the place would have at least resembled a crowd. The attendance was pitiful and no one cared about the game if they didn't go to ulm- and most of them didn't either.

I can tell you that the SEC win't offer the I Bowl a better selection. Even if Advocare makes a huge push to get the money competitive, they are competing against NFL stadiums. The only 3 non NFL stadiums in the SEC group are CapitalOne, BBVA, and I Bowl. Capital One just found out their limitations too. Their stadium is holding them back from joining the next level even though they are the first pick non BCS bowl for the SEC.

And even though the SEC is losing Dallas and Atlanta to the "BCS" or whatever you call it, they will probably pick up another NFL stadium in Houston.

Hopefully the I Bowl is willing to give up on the SEC dream and fight to gain a good pick from another conference.

The owl will never do anything that could benefit itself or be considered a smart move unless it is out of absolute desparation.

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/ind...s-total-502445

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

CUSA going to lose a couple conference tie-ins-- what if CUSA commits to 2nd or third team ? would we want it to die? I started ripping the I-bowl the friday evening before the selection,I had been told I-bowl was "pissed" at Tech. I have some great memories of I-bowl and Tech. I am still irritated but the leadership of the bowl can be tuned up -- the Bowl itself would be great with new leadership -- promise people the worst team from a conferebce (9th in SEC) and whatever from whatever has never made sense to me. Some really good people have put in 35 yrs of free effort to keep it alive, just need a new vision

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Replaced!

If the I Bowl is setting its sights on stability they need to sign a deal with a conference other than the SEC. They will never be anything but the last fallback plan for the SEC.

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In any case, some of the onus will continue to fall on this community — just like it has for 38 years. Only 10 bowl games have a richer history.

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By "richer history", they mean longevity. This definition means the I-Bowl has a richer history than bowl games like the Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, and teh Copper/Insight/BWW Bowl.

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“People were disappointed last year,” Setters said. “And we were too because we couldn’t get an SEC or ACC team. Although we had two teams that loved to be here, and we enjoyed that, there is a natural progression and you want to put yourself in a position to get the best picks you can.”

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Is the natural progression for the I-Bowl to go from hosting teams like Georgia, Texas A&M, Missouri, UNC, Air Force, and GA Tech from 2009-2011 to hosting teams like ULM and Ohio in 2012 (no offense to Ohio)? Is the natural progression to go from a prime-time TV slot on ESPN in 2008 to a 1:00 TV slot on a Friday afternoon on ESPN2? Where is the progression that Setters is taking about?

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Originally Posted by CaseyDawg

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/ind...s-total-502445

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So, it cost Ohio $78,569 to play in the Indy Bowl? Wow.

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Originally Posted by StrayDawg

So, it cost Ohio $78,569 to play in the Indy Bowl? Wow.

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On the other hand, that's pretty cheap for a guarantee game.

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Originally Posted by StrayDawg

So, it cost Ohio $78,569 to play in the Indy Bowl? Wow.

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So, what did it cost TECH in 2008???

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

So, what did it cost TECH in 2008???

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We came out fine because the WAC did things right regarding bowl payouts. The worst a WAC team could do on a bowl is break even assuming they sold their ticket allotment. We sold our allotment all three times we went bowling as a WAC team.

The number that stuck out to me was $23,876 in tickets revenue.

At an average of $40, that is 600 tickets sold by Ohio.

No matter how you place blame, this quantifies the cost.

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Originally Posted by champion110

Replaced!

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when the ft worth bowl folded , they did not pay the teams. NCAA required I-bowl to guarantee the payout. 4 people signed a person guarantee to save the bowl. One person involved has served as pres of Tech alumn association --he also brought cowboys and saints for scrimmage game to shreveport. He has brought saints to shreveport twice, he actively recruits all Tech folks to join i-bowl committee. He has more contacts with ADs-coaches etc than you can imagine. There would not be a bowl without all the volunteers. Understand, I am as frustrated as anyone ( with exception of players) about the fiasco. Question is replaced by who?? anyone can join, volunteer for committee. Sponsor is Tech grad. Lets get more volunteers from Tech and see what happens

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

when the ft worth bowl folded , they did not pay the teams. NCAA required I-bowl to guarantee the payout. 4 people signed a person guarantee to save the bowl. One person involved has served as pres of Tech alumn association --he also brought cowboys and saints for scrimmage game to shreveport. He has brought saints to shreveport twice, he actively recruits all Tech folks to join i-bowl committee. He has more contacts with ADs-coaches etc than you can imagine. There would not be a bowl without all the volunteers. Understand, I am as frustrated as anyone ( with exception of players) about the fiasco. Question is replaced by who?? anyone can join, volunteer for committee. Sponsor is Tech grad. Lets get more volunteers from Tech and see what happens

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It'd be much more fun to watch them fold. It is a loser bowl/toilet bowl, whatever you prefer, but there is nothing to save. I hope TECH never plays there again!

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

It'd be much more fun to watch them fold. It is a loser bowl/toilet bowl, whatever you prefer, but there is nothing to save. I hope TECH never plays there again!

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Be careful what you wish for. Now that Memphis/Tulane/ Rice etc are bailing from Con USA and Old dominion coming-- the bowl tie ins will probably disapear. Liberty Bowl has conference champion BUT under no obligation to take. With memphis gone that bowl could dissappear. next up is Hawaii bowl. What if I-bowl got involved with conference USA? I would prefer not but calling it a toilet bowls belittles our wins in the toilet bowl-- truth is, San Diego feels same way you do about Poinsetta bowl. I was out there and there committee was awesome but folks living there had no idea Tech and TCU were playing. Get rid of all the "toilet " bowls and leave only the 12-14 "good bowls" and I'll probably never see another Tech bowl game in my life. Its about -Fans, money , conference tie ins-- I hate being a realist but we are a long way from the type of bowl games we want to be invited too -- no sense belittling the one we have been in the most. Just ties us to "toilet bowl". ULL has been in new orleans bowl 2 yrs in row--pay out is half of what i_bowl pays .

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

It'd be much more fun to watch them fold. It is a loser bowl/toilet bowl, whatever you prefer, but there is nothing to save. I hope TECH never plays there again!

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AMEN!!!!

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Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD

AMEN!!!!

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you and I both graduated same yr (1970). I hung around and taught at Tech as grad assistant. Since 1977 Tech has played in 6 bowls --I-bowl 4 times, Humanitarian and Poinsetta. I have made all 6. Thats 6 in 35 years. without I-bowl , it MIGHT have been 2 in 35 years . I have always been proud of those appearances and the tremendous support of Techs fan base--we set attendance records -- I have never considered those as "loser" or "toilet" appearances.

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

Be careful what you wish for. Now that Memphis/Tulane/ Rice etc are bailing from Con USA and Old dominion coming-- the bowl tie ins will probably disapear. Liberty Bowl has conference champion BUT under no obligation to take. With memphis gone that bowl could dissappear. next up is Hawaii bowl. What if I-bowl got involved with conference USA? I would prefer not but calling it a toilet bowls belittles our wins in the toilet bowl-- truth is, San Diego feels same way you do about Poinsetta bowl. I was out there and there committee was awesome but folks living there had no idea Tech and TCU were playing. Get rid of all the "toilet " bowls and leave only the 12-14 "good bowls" and I'll probably never see another Tech bowl game in my life. Its about -Fans, money , conference tie ins-- I hate being a realist but we are a long way from the type of bowl games we want to be invited too -- no sense belittling the one we have been in the most. Just ties us to "toilet bowl". ULL has been in new orleans bowl 2 yrs in row--pay out is half of what i_bowl pays .

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Apparently you have missed all of the last tie-in selection with the SEC and the fasination. The I-bowl doesn't choose to do better and that is the reason they will fold. They make themselves the loser/toilet bowl. None of the teams they want EVER want to play there! WE don't have a bowl. I would never give them 10 cents of my money and would not even pay to go if TECH played there again. You are mistaken too about the payout. If you are not part of the original tie-in, teams do not get the stated payout. You can try to convince anyone how awesome it would be, but you are just singing in the wind for me. The are a bad bowl that needs to fold- and can't be far from that after this past year.

I personally wish somehow they would do away with bowl tie ins especially after the BCS bowls and play oof games are filled. As long as there are 40 bowls Louisian Tech should not have a problem getting in a bowl game unless Les fails to make the right call in a few months.

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I personally wish somehow they would do away with bowl tie ins especially after the BCS bowls and play oof games are filled. As long as there are 40 bowls Louisian Tech should not have a problem getting in a bowl game unless Les fails to make the right call in a few months.

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you get it. The Bowl is as inanimate object-- we have only played in 2 non i-bowls since 1977 for goodness sakes. Nothing wrong with having a bowl in N La -- especially with right people running it. The bowl , when run right, has huge benefit to economy, and on rare occasions, Tech. If you have a decent car and blow out 2 tires -- you get new tires, not unload the car. There have been times in the past that the I-bowl actively supported Techs non I bowl games. Again, 6 bowl games in 35 games, 2 were not I-bowl. CUSA will lose bowl tie ins , liberty is NOT obliged to invite CUSA, counting on Liberty? How did that work out for us?? Some how getting rid of I-bowl helps Tech?? As far as payout, that's like saying alphabet starts with A -- anyone who follows bowls know that payouts are negotiated, TCU estimated a loss of 300 k for Poinsetta.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

Apparently you have missed all of the last tie-in selection with the SEC and the fasination. The I-bowl doesn't choose to do better and that is the reason they will fold. They make themselves the loser/toilet bowl. None of the teams they want EVER want to play there! WE don't have a bowl. I would never give them 10 cents of my money and would not even pay to go if TECH played there again. You are mistaken too about the payout. If you are not part of the original tie-in, teams do not get the stated payout. You can try to convince anyone how awesome it would be, but you are just singing in the wind for me. The are a bad bowl that needs to fold- and can't be far from that after this past year.

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. We assume most BBB readers understand how payouts work since it has been detailed ad-infinitum . If you choose not to support Tech for any reason, that is your choice

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

you get it. The Bowl is as inanimate object-- we have only played in 2 non i-bowls since 1977 for goodness sakes. Nothing wrong with having a bowl in N La -- especially with right people running it. The bowl , when run right, has huge benefit to economy, and on rare occasions, Tech. If you have a decent car and blow out 2 tires -- you get new tires, not unload the car. There have been times in the past that the I-bowl actively supported Techs non I bowl games. Again, 6 bowl games in 35 games, 2 were not I-bowl. CUSA will lose bowl tie ins , liberty is NOT obliged to invite CUSA, counting on Liberty? How did that work out for us?? Some how getting rid of I-bowl helps Tech?? As far as payout, that's like saying alphabet starts with A -- anyone who follows bowls know that payouts are negotiated, TCU estimated a loss of 300 k for Poinsetta.

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I'd just like to chime in and agree with Dog65's last few posts. Some of you talk about Shreveport like Tech needs to completely forget about it. Regardless of our experiences with the I bowl committee, don't lump the entire town and region into the mix. We have made TONS of headway in this town and belittling it only negates the hard work we who live here have spent trying to change the perception of Tech around here. Your very "attitude" is exactly what we are trying to erase.

Please be part of the solution instead of bitching about the problem.

Incorrigible.

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Originally Posted by baw011

I'd just like to chime in and agree with Dog65's last few posts. Some of you talk about Shreveport like Tech needs to completely forget about it. Regardless of our experiences with the I bowl committee, don't lump the entire town and region into the mix. We have made TONS of headway in this town and belittling it only negates the hard work we who live here have spent trying to change the perception of Tech around here. Your very "attitude" is exactly what we are trying to erase.

Please be part of the solution instead of bitching about the problem.

Incorrigible.

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I like your enthusiasm/opoptimism, but to say "Tons of progress" is in my opinion way way overstating. Once we are in place and establish order on the currr LSUS campus that may happen.

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

. We assume most BBB readers understand how payouts work since it has been detailed ad-infinitum . If you choose not to support Tech for any reason, that is your choice

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You apparently didn't since you were talking about the payout in the NO bowl. I was explaining it to you.:laugh:

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

Be careful what you wish for. Now that Memphis/Tulane/ Rice etc are bailing from Con USA and Old dominion coming-- the bowl tie ins will probably disapear. Liberty Bowl has conference champion BUT under no obligation to take. With memphis gone that bowl could dissappear. next up is Hawaii bowl. What if I-bowl got involved with conference USA? I would prefer not but calling it a toilet bowls belittles our wins in the toilet bowl-- truth is, San Diego feels same way you do about Poinsetta bowl. I was out there and there committee was awesome but folks living there had no idea Tech and TCU were playing. Get rid of all the "toilet " bowls and leave only the 12-14 "good bowls" and I'll probably never see another Tech bowl game in my life. Its about -Fans, money , conference tie ins-- I hate being a realist but we are a long way from the type of bowl games we want to be invited too -- no sense belittling the one we have been in the most. Just ties us to "toilet bowl". ULL has been in new orleans bowl 2 yrs in row--pay out is half of what i_bowl pays .

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Bumped this for you so you could see what I was explaining - your comment indicated you may not.

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Originally Posted by Dogsince65

you and I both graduated same yr (1970). I hung around and taught at Tech as grad assistant. Since 1977 Tech has played in 6 bowls --I-bowl 4 times, Humanitarian and Poinsetta. I have made all 6. Thats 6 in 35 years. without I-bowl , it MIGHT have been 2 in 35 years . I have always been proud of those appearances and the tremendous support of Techs fan base--we set attendance records -- I have never considered those as "loser" or "toilet" appearances.

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I have never considered them as loser or toilet bowl appearances. Unless TECH was playing in the I-Bowl, I had NO interest in the I-Bowl at all. They usually get 2 teams from Cattlegap, Egypt to play. I care about neither team, so I don't go to the game. Each team's fans have to travel a long way...so no participation from the two schools playing....but, not my problem. As for the I-Bowl being the "Toilet Bowl".....in my opinion....that is what it became last year. If anyone wants to support it...go ahead. But I WILL NOT!!

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As for the I-Bowl being the "Toilet Bowl".....in my opinion....that is what it became last year.

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It became the "Summer's Eve" bowl in 1997 when they snubbed a 9-2 Tech team with wins over Alabama and Cal and a close loss to Ark in the worst officiated game I have ever seen. I haven't supported them since and will not, unless Tech is playing. Last year just kind of put the icing on the cake.

Same time I quit supporting the I Bowl except when Tech is playing! I used to buy 10 teckets every yr for over 15 years.
Justa like the Bowl people would prefer to take 8th or 9th SEC or Big XII or ACC vs 1st or 2nd Conference USA team just
does not make any business sense! They should have a tie with 1st or 2nd Conference USA team and keep the other side
open for the best team available after others select. Almost every year a team peaks at the end of the yr and gets left
out Bowls for some 6 & 6 or 6 & 7 team that does not travel any fans. Their fans are not excited about a bowl trip around
Christmas or New Years but a team that has not been to a bowl for yrs will normally travel unless it happens to be ULM

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Same time I quit supporting the I Bowl except when Tech is playing! I used to buy 10 teckets every yr for over 15 years.
Justa like the Bowl people would prefer to take 8th or 9th SEC or Big XII or ACC vs 1st or 2nd Conference USA team just
does not make any business sense! They should have a tie with 1st or 2nd Conference USA team and keep the other side
open for the best team available after others select. Almost every year a team peaks at the end of the yr and gets left
out Bowls for some 6 & 6 or 6 & 7 team that does not travel any fans. Their fans are not excited about a bowl trip around
Christmas or New Years but a team that has not been to a bowl for yrs will normally travel unless it happens to be ULM

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Exactly. That same 8th or 9th place SEC team would probably still be available but I guess that's not quite the same as saying we have an SEC tie-in. And you're right, makes no sense at all.

You guys are giving ULM too much attention. Jeez who shives a git how many people were there to watch that curb-stomping

Well, we saw the figures stating how much Ohio lost by playing in this years Indy Bowl. When will ULM release a financial report stating how it did financially???

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Well, we saw the figures stating how much Ohio lost by playing in this years Indy Bowl. When will ULM release a financial report stating how it did financially???

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Do they know how to do that?

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It became the "Summer's Eve" bowl in 1997 when they snubbed a 9-2 Tech team with wins over Alabama and Cal and a close loss to Ark in the worst officiated game I have ever seen. I haven't supported them since and will not, unless Tech is playing. Last year just kind of put the icing on the cake.

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And THAT....as Paul Harvey would say...is the rest of the story.

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Do they know how to do that?

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It will be difficult for them, since they only have 10 fingers and 10 toes!! May have to get all their officials in the room and have them take their shoes off. Onesy, twosey.....

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I have never considered them as loser or toilet bowl appearances. Unless TECH was playing in the I-Bowl, I had NO interest in the I-Bowl at all. They usually get 2 teams from Cattlegap, Egypt to play. I care about neither team, so I don't go to the game. Each team's fans have to travel a long way...so no participation from the two schools playing....but, not my problem. As for the I-Bowl being the "Toilet Bowl".....in my opinion....that is what it became last year. If anyone wants to support it...go ahead. But I WILL NOT!!

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Neither will I unless Tech is invited and we except. It for me about backing Tech. 6 bowls since 77-- I froze in Boise, Had a blast in San Diego and made the 4 I-bowls . Tech in- I am in. simple as that As for last year, at least you can flush a toilet-- the stuff in the toilet is what stunk last year ( well, Ohio was ok)

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You apparently didn't since you were talking about the payout in the NO bowl. I was explaining it to you.:laugh:

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oh good grief--my last chance at helping you understand, also my last look at this thread. New Orleans bowl pays out 500k per team. I -bowl pays out 1,100,000-- non bowl tie ins get less. Travel expenses are first thing negotiated, ticket committment is negotiated, anticipated Neilson ratings based on ESPN historical data is negotiated. Conference affiliatation is considered ( all Wac teams get a share so wac commissioner is involved) ultimately a payout is agreed on that all parties agree--this is OLD<OLD data that has been beat to death on BBB. 7-800k at best, but my point is you start with 500k with n orleans bowl at best, I bowl is 600k more when you start the negotiation than N O . thats it, done with I-bowl thread. My support started with first I-bowl ( McNeese) and ended 2012- I will support it only if Tech is invited --

I have made all the Bowls Tech played in, too!

Independence Bowl, AdvoCare to discuss future of game Thursday - theshreveporttimes.com

The Independence Bowl Foundation and AdvoCare will hold a news conference to discuss the future of the game Thursday at 3:30 p.m. in the club level of Independence Stadium.

Mel, we can jettison your butt any time we get ready.

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Mel, we can jettison your butt any time we get ready.

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That would probably be a good start!

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Mel, we can jettison your butt any time we get ready.

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Who's Mel?

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Who's Mel?

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http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...gibson-jpg.jpg

Th Th Th Thats nononot MMMMel!

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That would probably be a good start!

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Hmmmmm...I was actually thinking of Missy...not Mel.

Expect the Independence Bowl to drop the "Independence" to become the AdvoCare Bowl.

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Expect the Independence Bowl to drop the "Independence" to become the AdvoCare Bowl.

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Selling their souls. That was possibly the last tradition they had. The Duke will roll over in his grave.

It's official. The Independence Bowl is now the AdvoCare Bowl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEOMZWSCMAAqJg3.jpg:large

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It's official. The Independence Bowl is now the AdvoCare Bowl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEOMZWSCMAAqJg3.jpg:large

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Ugh.. Like that will make a difference

Advocare or Independence.......still the same result...the Toilet Bowl!!

O.M.G.

Advocare branding just took a hit.

Smooth move. Any tie-in news? I assume theyre still begging for SEC scraps.

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Smooth move. Any tie-in news? I assume theyre still begging for SEC scraps.

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According to Roy Lang's tweets, "schools like Tech" will not be playing in the bowl under Advocare's watch.

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According to Roy Lang's tweets, "schools like Tech" will not be playing in the bowl under Advocare's watch.

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He also quoted someone saying the bowl will be a top ten bowl. Have these people ever actually been to the I bowl?

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According to Roy Lang's tweets, "schools like Tech" will not be playing in the bowl under Advocare's watch.

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Guess they won't being inviting Conference Champions and top 25 teams!

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I am certainly hoping that is correct- we want to go to good bowls each year.

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According to Roy Lang's tweets, "schools like Tech" will not be playing in the bowl under Advocare's watch.

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Let's hope that he's right. LA Tech has outgrown the Advocare Bowl.

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He also quoted someone saying the bowl will be a top ten bowl. Have these people ever actually been to the I bowl?

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Who in their right mind is going to give them the the thousands of $ to make that happen??? Maybe they are looking for some ocean front property in Arizona too.

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Who in their right mind is going to give them the the thousands of $ to make that happen??? Maybe they are looking for some ocean front property in Arizona too.

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Watch out for a bill to go before the State Legislature sometime this year to address the money issue (i.e. dedicated tax for the bowl). I think it was mentioned in a previous edition of the Shreveport Times.

In the end they might move up the pecking order a tad bit. But in an Arms Race against San Antonio, Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando, El Paso etc. Shreveport ultimately doesn't have the wallet to compete as a top 10 bowl.

It is like watching a slow death and they are trying for taxes to give them hospice.

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I can't believe ANYBODY, much less many of our own fans respect this guy. As my 16 year old daughter would say, "Somebody needs to hit him in the face!"

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He also quoted someone saying the bowl will be a top ten bowl. Have these people ever actually been to the I bowl?

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Yeah, that's probably gonna happen.

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Yeah, that's probably gonna happen.

the shreveport bowl is now the only bowl to my knowledge named after a pyramid operation.

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That sounds a LOTTA bit like a "YOU people" type of statement. Who, exactly, is he referring to as "schools like Tech"?

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Roy Lang: "Teams like Tech unlikely to play in Shreveport, at least on AdvoCare's watch. Affiliations will be w/BCS conf and high enough to get teams"

Shreveport Times: Advocare CEO Richard Wright said he has his eye on “three conferences with regional ties.” Asked whether the conferences had Bowl Championship Series ties, Wright simply said, “Absolutely.”

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From these quotes, the Advocate Bowl is looking at three conferences with regional ties. The conferences with regional ties are the SEC, Big East (Tulane, Houston, SMU), Big XII (Texas teams), C-USA (LA Tech), and the Sun Belt (ULL, ULM). Since "teams like Tech" are unlikely to play in Shreveport, that eliminates the Sun Belt and C-USA. That means the three conferences the bowl is targeting are the SEC, Big XII, and Big East.

Even if the Advocare Bowl does increase its combined payout to $4.8 million through money from Advocare and money from the state (i.e. taxpayers), it would still be no better than #6 in the SEC pecking order behind the current BCS bowls.

I don't know how attractive the remains of the Big East will be to the Shreveport market. I also don't know how attractive the bowl game in Shreveport will be to the Big XII teams like Oklahoma or Texas.

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I can't believe ANYBODY, much less many of our own fans respect this guy. As my 16 year old daughter would say, "Somebody needs to hit him in the face!"

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He's a big hit with the "Bayou Sports Line" hosts.

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From these quotes, the Advocate Bowl is looking at three conferences with regional ties. The conferences with regional ties are the SEC, Big East (Tulane, Houston, SMU), Big XII (Texas teams), C-USA (LA Tech), and the Sun Belt (ULL, ULM). Since "teams like Tech" are unlikely to play in Shreveport, that eliminates the Sun Belt and C-USA. That means the three conferences the bowl is targeting are the SEC, Big XII, and Big East.

Even if the Advocare Bowl does increase its combined payout to $4.8 million through money from Advocare and money from the state (i.e. taxpayers), it would still be no better than #6 in the SEC pecking order behind the current BCS bowls.

I don't know how attractive the remains of the Big East will be to the Shreveport market. I also don't know how attractive the bowl game in Shreveport will be to the Big XII teams like Oklahoma or Texas.

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News last night said SEC, ACC, and one other, maybe Big XII. We just love everyone else's scraps.

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News last night said SEC, ACC, and one other, maybe Big XII. We just love everyone else's scraps.

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I wonder what the ACC's regional ties to Shreveport and the bowl game are other than the current tie-in deal. The closest ACC team to the area is Georgia Tech (I think). At least the Big East would have made some sense with the new BE teams from Texas.

(Former) Big East is probably "teams like Tech" now.

Given their obvious disdain for "schools like Tech," I wonder how this will effect any future regular season games in Shreveport. I'd be ok with never playing there again.

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Given their obvious disdain for "schools like Tech," I wonder how this will effect any future regular season games in Shreveport. I'd be ok with never playing there again.

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Our goof ball AD told several boosters that C-USA was requiring us to play games over there. I never believed that BS, but many of our fans did.