Sticking with Higgins or back to Young?
I'll stay where I have been since the spring: Higgins.
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Sticking with Higgins or back to Young?
I'll stay where I have been since the spring: Higgins.
Stay with Higgins.
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Neither. Put it up for grabs again. Higgins has no poise or zing on the ball, and he needs to study how you run a football, and how to wrap two hands around it!
I say Higgins. He looked good at times and this team is going to have a rough season. We just seem too undisciplined with the ball and with penalties. Sick right now.
Higgins. Looked like a lot more promising today in one game than Young has looked in 3 games.
Higgins. He played well and was efficient. Must be very coachable with the improvement from Tulane. He can roll out and looks to the middle of the field. That and he's one tough SOB.
Higgins. O-line still pitiful tho.
The whole reach the football out for the pylon thing is out of hand in football. We would have had first and goal at the 1 and chance to go up 17-3.
Still...Higgins.
Higgins. I'll take Freshman mistakes trying to make something happen and being aggressive over what we've seen up til now any day. Higgins will learn from these kinds of things. I'm afraid Scotty will never be more than what he already is.
Higgins is not great, but he seems better than Young. I'd stick with him. What is there to lose? We just lost to Tulane and a Kansas team that hasn't beaten an FBS foe until today in consecutive weeks. Our season is shot. Build for the future...or totally tank so we can get a young hungry coach...either way.
I was a big advocate for Harris, but after that game, it is clear that Higgins is our man for the next few years. Great game for his first start against a Big XII team (even a crappy Big XII team).
At least Higgins wasn't a 3 and out machine. Young was just that.
Higgins.
Higgins is going to be a stud! Scotty is a nice backup if he gets hurt.
Higgins. He's more productive and has longer to play.
Higgins. 289 yards in passing, and other than the stupid mistake, he played a solid game for a RS FR.
Come on. I told you a million times not to exxagerate! He is barely serviceable right now. I hope he does get to "stud" level, but I don't see that. He has terrible accuracy for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Whoever we recruit for next year.
Situational. If we have the ball 1st and 10 on KU's 29 yard line like today, put in HARRIS. This guy has great wheels and was fresh. It was a game changing mistake not playing to a strength when we had the opportunity to slam the door on them.
This season is over. Just put all the names in a hat and pick one.
Give the kid some receivers and watch out. He has a nice arm and makes good decisions. Pretty nice wheels too. I do see a tendency to take chances, but he'll figure that out. I like him!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
Higgins...he improved from last week. Young seemed to be getting worse.
Agreed. Based on what I saw today (other than the fumble), I'd stay with Higgins.Quote:
Originally Posted by RunwayDawg55
This is a no-brainer. Higgins finished the day 35 of 55 for 289 yards, with 1 TD , and 1 INT (that was NOT his fault). That's a 64% completion percentage, and a 110 QB rating. If Kenneth Dixon doesn't fumble the game away at the end on the 5-yd line, everybody would be talking about how GREAT Higgins played.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...6/ryan-higgins
Young didn't play. He has bruised ribs, so the comparison is moot for now. It is Higgins or Harris. Higgins makes too many mistakes to deserve 100% of the PT at QB.
......not the first time you've been wrong. :icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
Apparently it's not. I don't know why, but if Harris was an option, we would've seen him against Tulane and we would've seen him getting some reps with the 1s this week in practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
I thought Coach Petersen was incompetent when Young was playing. I ccan see that he's not when Higgins plays. (case closed)
I'm not wrong Mike. You are. Just like you were wrong when Cameron was inexperienced and on the 17 year old "phenom QB" Ishom, and others. But this is typical of a first year LA Tech coach- sacrifice season #1 to stick 100% with a FR QB and build for next year. I'm not saying bench Higgins, just don't give him 100% of the snaps in every game.
Dogswin? Did they go with the Freshman because "that's what typical Tech coaches do," or because the Junior got hurt in Game 3?
Higgins, but let Young try O-line.
Cliff, we've covered this a thousand times. Colby Cameron didn't do anything to distinguish himself until practically midway through his red shirt Junior year. In fact, he had some embarrassing performances as a redshirt sophomore (TX A&M game in College Station comes to mind). It wasn't until the 17-yr old freshman beat Colby out in fall practice that Colby FINALLY got religion and turned his game on during the 4th or 5th game of his redshirt Junior year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
Yes, we are all glad that Colby's game finally clicked. But the fact that he couldn't beat out a 17-year old freshman in fall camp in 2011 was on Colby, not anyone else.
T1, we have a senior QB with more collegiate experience than our entire QB roster combined. Not playing him at all today was just stupid. We can keep playing Higgins 100% of the time for experience, but it is ridiculous to expect a young QB not to make mistakes. Sharing that load with an experienced QB is a muuuuch smarter approach (unless of course the coach has a brand new contract and a convenient youth excuse). Again, I think Higgins will be a very good QB in time, but he isn't ready to shoulder 100% of the PT.
I think it's the perfect time to break him in. We all knew this was a rebuilding year. We lost 8 starters on offense and 7 on defense. This is a year of growth. PERFECT time to teach a young QB the ropes, imo. Sure it sucks to be mediocre-to-bad for a year, but I bet it will pay off in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
I say Higgins. We left 20 points on the field today.
If it's between Higgins and Young, then Higgins. We moved the ball today (with Higgins) instead of being a 3-and-out machine (under Young). However, I know zero about this Harris kid, and based on what I've read from others on here I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him get some snaps.
Higgins plays well and we want to look elsewhere? Why start a senior who won't be here next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabzooks
Read much? How did you read "get (Harris) some snaps" and think "start a senior (Harris)"?Quote:
Originally Posted by dch028
Higgins...but without losing the ball inside the 5 yard line. Translated, this means to take care of the football.
Higgins is the man! Except for the fumble, he had a good game for his first game as a starter and being only a freshman. I feel much better about our season after seeing him play. Good arm with a quick release.
We do need an outside guy who can get open, but he has some good inside receivers now. He did a fair job of getting the ball to them. None of his passes wowed me, but he did fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
I am surprised that I haven't seen more regarding the TD pass to HL. It was a bad throw to a wide open receiver. HL bailed him out big time.
We get it, you don't like Higgins. Give it a rest maddawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Never said that. I'm just not all excited about him. Now you give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by dch028
Higgins gives me more to be excited about than Young.
He looked good. Give him a chance. And our D played great!
Higgins. He will only get better.
I think we need Harris in certain situations inside the 20 -
But we HCSH is not aggressive enough to go that route
Higgins was servicable today - kinda like Kubik
Throws were erratic at best and took too long on the read option
But still couldn't punch it in the endzone and that's all that matters
10 pts is not going to win you any ballgames -
That said, we moved at will between the 30's most of the day but that's about it
I have to admit I was unsure about scotty the first time I saw him at the bar drinking whiskey. I really felt unsure the tenth time I saw him at the bar drinking whiskey.
I know I just said I've been to a bar ten times... but I'm not trying to propel Tech into a BCS bowl game.
Sometimes I feel like I care more about the team than the players do. If I had that kind of ability, I'd be doing nothing but working out, sleeping, and watching film.
I feel his pain. Since watching them this year I've become quite the connoisseur.
Dixonfor6, has some of those been since the season started? Which reminds me, I played beer pong against Colby the Thursday before the LSU game a few years back. Not sure if he was even the back up then, but I knew he probably wasn't going to play. Anyway, what impressed me is he played bp, but he had his partner drink for him, and he left the party early. I don't know if he drinks or not, but his reasoning why..."I have a game Saturday."
I am not sure Young has had the benefit of a well designed game plan like Higgins did today. The coaches moved some guys around and came up with a good game plan today. Higgins turns the ball over too much for me. Interceptions, fumbles, dropped Ints by the D have saved him 3-4 more this year. I want to see Young healthy with a decent game plan. I think he makes several of the downfield throws much more accurately than Higgins and can help us win games. Regardless of who the QB is I want to see us RUN the ball more.
Out of what setup would you like to see us running?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
Higgins should be our guy. He overthrows at times, but I think that is fear of interceptions. I think he shows some real potential. He is making mistakes that a really good QB would make in his first game. He lost the ball on the goal line, but at least he was AGGRESSIVE! He looked calm, but you could see that he WANTED IT!!!!!!!!!!
Yes his body language was much better. He was calm and always encouraging the other guys. I think the team probably sees him as more of a leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by champion110
The jury is still out for me. Higgins actually moved the ball effectively all day.
Neither one can throw anything near an accurate long ball, which we desperately need to make this offense really click.
I agree, but with our young and inexperienced O-line, there's only so much you can do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
Really bad post. First of all, Higgins' INT was NOT his fault. The ball was well thrown. It was the fault of #8, who just flat missed it. (Who is #8 for Tech anyway?) Next, Higgins did a great job of surveying the field and finding open receivers all day. Higgins completed passes to 8 different receivers yesterday. Higgins also moves around inside and outside the pocket MUCH BETTER than Scotty Young. By contrast, Scotty Young TELEGRAPHS everything he does, and he looks at only one receiver -- the CLOSEST one. Any decent defense (even Tulane's) KNOWS what Scotty Young is going to do before he actually does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
HA! Ask Dixon if he felt like Lamar knew where the passes where about to be thrown!Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Not true at all. Watch again at the 3:19 mark of the 1st quarter. The ball is thrown high and behind Jackson right at the defender. Jackson adjusted to try to make the catch, but couldn't. Had the ball been thrown well it would have been caught, if Jackson doesn't reach back it is an easy INT by the DB instead of the tipped INT to the LB.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Higgins for now, but why is Harris there if he is not going to play? He looked the best of the three to me in the fall scrimmages. Young would be number 3 in my book.
I'm looking at the Higggins INT play RIGHT NOW!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
Four to 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, LA TECH'S #8 (covered by Kansas's Dexter McDonald) ran a short "button hook" route and turned to his LEFT (inside) to face Higgins. The ball hit #8 perfectly on his right shoulder. The pass bounced high off of #8's shoulder and popped into the air. This allowed a completely different cover guy (#31, Ben Heeney) to grab the INT!!
Bottom line, it was a deflected pass that bounced HARD off of #8's shoulder. Your mistake is, you thought the ball was thrown behind the receiver because you thought he turned to the OUTSIDE. WRONG! Our receiver turned to the INSIDE, and the ball hit him in the shoulder.
Besides, this INT did not hurt LA Tech anyway. It was a non-event. Two plays later, LA Tech's Tommy McDonald grabbed an INT from the Kansas QB, giving the ball back to Tech in practically the same position.
Haha. You're funny HD. The ball was behind and high which is why it bounced high off Jackson's shoulder, he was reaching back for it. But whatever, we clearly won't agree on this.
HD I agree. I thought that INT was a wash as well. But from my observation, I just felt that our receivers could not get any separation from their defenders. Their DBs pretty much stayed step for step with our receivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Oh.....so now you ADMIT that the ball bounced off Jackson's shoulder!!! Finally. The truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
Bottom line: That was a very catchable ball.
The defense rests.
I'm just thinking outside the box here, but if Harris has the wheels to run, why don't the coaches have him lining up as a RB and giving him a pitch with the option of running or throwing to an open receiver?
Maybe I just live in football fantasy land but that would force a defense to stay honest.
To answer the original question though, I thought Higgins played well except for the fumble. If the line gave him a little better protection and time to let a play to develop, I think we would probably see some better throws from him. I see the potential for him to be pretty good next year and the fact that he has three years left is awesome, if he does improve.
Higgins.
Jesus Christ. You have a BBBoner or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by ntxdawg
Can't blame one guy...if two fg's had not been missed...if Higgins had not fumbled...more than one play makes the game but Dixon's fumble obviously hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Tremendous improvement in 10 days... looking forward to this coming Saturday and hopefully having the breaks go our way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuzDawg73
Adjustment or not it HIT HIM IN THE HANDS...well through his hands and hit his shoulder pad...wr's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
I think Higgins has a much quicker release -
I'm still wondering why we haven't run a jet sweep or 2 with King?
Mu biggest concern is that who ever is playing qb and right now the stats say its a wash - they can't put points on the board
And don't give me the fumbles, missed FGs etal - we literally can't score
Higgins!!
The bottom line is there isn't a huge amount of separation between the two so I look at three things. #1 The season is done. #2 Higgins is much younger and will grow, mature and improve. #3 Higgins has much more mobility.
The season is not done! They can still make this a respectable season and make a bowl game. I saw a lot of improvement yesterday. Their character is being tested right now. The breaks will eventually go our way. I believe we beat Army next week, gain some confidence and momentum and finish the rest of this season strong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
From under center with two tight ends and a FB! I know that isn't going to happen so I would love to see us use the reverse wishbone formation? Not real sure what that is called but with Lee, Dixon, and King or Banks. Guillot should not be back there. We also killed teams with the play action last year out of that formation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipDog
When you have the ball inside the 10 and never give Dixon a carry? Makes NO sense. This happened more than once. We got a turnover in plus territory more than once and throw the ball 3 times and punt. Once we took a sack on 3rd down taking you out of FG range, drives me crazy. Dixon had 27 RUSHING TDS last year as a FR. We ran the ball last year in red zone to score all those points!
I like a lot of what Higgins did that you mentioned-spread ball around, moves out of pocket well, read option. I actually think he is more accurate on the move than in the pocket. But I don't think he completed a pass over 10 yds downfield all game, many of his throws weren't in the same zip code. He had several wrs open downfield and wasn't close numerous times. I really like the read option and think he will get quicker at making decisions. My primary concern is that he is turnover prone. He is lucky KU dropped a couple of balls that looked like sure picks. If he continues to turn the ball over at the rate he has for a game and a half I would bench him. I think it was obvious that was the best game plan we have had all year and I don't think Young has had that benefit yet. He has a stronger arm and I believe is more accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Higgins..... for now. I wouldn't be opposed to Young getting one more shot when he's healthy and if the team needs a spark or continues to struggle. Higgins still struggles with accuracy. If we have that read option package installed with Harris, then we need to bust it out. Maybe not against Navy since they see it daily and run much better than we'll be able to run it, but later on, we need to do that some. If Harris isn't getting snaps, then I'd have to assume that he is a running threat that can throw some and not an every down QB.
But what do I know... never seen him play or practice. Peterson and Rattay know what's going on, and I hope that they're making the best decisions available.
Tech is 103rd (of 123 FBS teams) in Red Zone Offense...10 scores (7 TDs 3 FGs) and 4 no-scores in 14 penetrations.
In the Kansas game Tech was 1 of 4 (1 TD, 1 missed FG, and 2 fumbles lost).
The good news is that three of the 20 teams below Tech in this category are still left on the schedule (Army, FIU, and USM).
I'm just FLOORED when I see a post like yours (and DonMarvin's) suggesting Scotty Young hasn't had a chance yet. What were the first 3 games? As far as I'm concerned, Young had his chance, and proved to me that he was vastly over-rated coming out of high school. He holds the ball too long, he stares down his receivers, his delivery is awkward and his accuracy was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddawg
Meanwhile, Higgins goes out in his FIRST start, and delivers 289 yards of passing, 443 yds of offense and a 65% completion rate. No, it's not Heisman Trophy numbers, but it was a drastic improvement.
I'm interested in how he responds in Dallas -
If he responds well, I think everything will be put to rest - if not it just keeps the embers stoked...
We are 1-3 and just lost to two of the worst football programs in the country so neither one of them are getting the job done so far. If Higgins keeps improving I have no problem with him starting and keeping the job when Youngs get healthy. You have to admit this game plan offensively was a BIG improvement over the first 3 weeks. We made major changes on offense just last week. Changes that any of our QBs would benefit from. I hope we don't stop changing things up until we find something that works and wins us some games!Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I look at it this way -
Most days I'm a mediocre putter at best, then there are those days I make everything in sight for the round...
We don't know if we got Higgins average day or his lights out day?
We don't know that, but we do know our passing game this past week was much improved over week 1-2. Higgins has earned the shot to start again in my opinion. I don't think the door is closed or the leash is that long -- if we see play resembling the second half of the Tulane game or too many freshman mistakes, we go to door #3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I agree...
Has anyone ever thought that there might be a reason he struggled so much at Texas Tech and that reason might not have been the coaches????? Right now until Young proves in practice that he is vastly superior to Higgins than I agree with HD. Start the kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
We don't know what we don't know.
HIGGINS!! We had some fire and energy Saturday. Hadn't seen that vs Lamar or Tulane. As the game went on Saturday the Tech fans just felt that we were going to move the ball. Those two drives deep out our end zone to establish field position after the long punts were awesome. He definitely earned and deserves the start Saturday, looking forward to seeing him and the team put up nice yards AND copious points.
That's what she said!Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck
Higgins by the way.
Holtz just confirmed on the coaches show what I suspected all along: young isn't injured, he got pulled.
Stay with Higgins! Young had his chance!
Stick with Higgins.
You are full of crap. I personally watched 3 Tech trainers looking at Young's ribs coming out of halftime of the Tulane game. Each time Young threw warmups on the sidelines he winced very noticeably in pain. Here are Holtz's comment from the press conference. He has decided to go with Higgins, but Young was definitely injured and to post otherwise is just a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by dch028
On if Ryan Higgins locked down the starting job or with Scotty coming back, if there be a battle:
“We are going to have to look at it this week, but certainly Ryan has put himself in there. Scotty is coming back off his rib injury. Was able to play and practice a little bit on Tuesday and just a little bit more on Wednesday, but we just felt like Ryan had a good week and we needed to go with him. There was no reason to risk that. We will look at that this week and we will make that decision. Right now, Ryan has definitely put himself in the ball game and put himself in that driver’s seat with the way that he played last week.”
There's a difference between hurt and injured. Injury is not why young didn't start, he didn't start because it was obvious he wasn't getting it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsWin
Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dch028
Holtz also said he likes to make his QB decision as early as Tuesday if possible. Young was cleared to play on Saturday, but he certainly was nowhere near ready last Tuesday. Higgins got the practice work with the #1s with Young out early last week, and he didn't do anything to cause the decision to be reconsidered either before or during the game (goalline fumble excluded).
Young got Pipped.
Worked out well for the Yankees.
Isham got Cameroned.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Scotty Young: 46-of-87, 452 yards 2 TD (10 quarters of play)
Ryan Higgins: 42-of-71, 346 yards 2 TD (6 quarters of play)
* Ryan has almost matched Scotty's production in 4 quarters less game time. Stick with Higgins until he loses the job.