How the new coaches are doing around the nation...
*(Preface - I wasn't a fan of our hire, and I still am not a fan. I just want everyone to see the picture.)
| Team |
Returning Starters |
New Coach |
'12 W/L |
'13 W/L |
'12 PPG |
'13 PPG |
'13 Def PPG |
'12 Def PPG |
| La Tech |
6 |
Skip Holtz |
9-3 |
4-6 |
51.5 |
19.9 |
27.4 |
38.5 |
| FIU |
8 |
Ron Turner |
3-9 |
1-9 |
25.0 |
9.8 |
37.9 |
31.7 |
| Cal |
9 |
Sonny Dykes |
3-9 |
1-10 |
20.5 |
22.6 |
45.8 |
33.3 |
| Western Michigan |
10 |
PJ Fleck |
4-8 |
1-10 |
27.3 |
16.9 |
36.5 |
30.5 |
| South Florida |
10 |
Willie Taggart |
3-9 |
2-7 |
19.4 |
14.0 |
27.5 |
28.7 |
| UTEP |
11 |
Sean Kugler |
3-9 |
2-8 |
21.2 |
24.1 |
37.9 |
29.8 |
| NC State |
11 |
Dave Dereoun |
7-6 |
3-7 |
26.1 |
22.4 |
28.7 |
26.6 |
| Nevada |
11 |
Brian Polian |
7-6 |
4-7 |
37.2 |
26.4 |
37.8 |
33.8 |
| Kent State |
11 |
Paul Haynes |
11-3 |
3-8 |
32.5 |
18.8 |
30.0 |
24.8 |
| Idaho |
11 |
Paul Petrino |
1-11 |
1-9 |
15.4 |
16.7 |
44.2 |
44.5 |
| Arkansas |
11 |
Brett Beliema |
4-8 |
3-7 |
28.8 |
19.2 |
32.6 |
31.0 |
I think we're the only team in this category that even has a shot at being .500 for the year.
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Oh snap. Does this mean if we replaced Skip we might do worse? (see USF)
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...and here is the rest of the coach changes from last year...
Out of the 30 - only 13 have a chance to finish .500 or better...
| Team |
Coach |
'12 Record |
'13 Record |
| Arkansas |
Brett Bielema |
4-8 |
3-7 |
| Arkansas State |
Brian Harsin |
10-3 |
6-4 |
| Auburn |
Gus Malzhan |
3-9 |
10-1 |
| Boston College |
Steve Addazio |
2-10 |
6-4 |
| Cal |
Sonny Dykes |
3-9 |
1-10 |
| Cincinnati |
Tommy Tubberville |
10-3 |
8-2 |
| Colorado |
Mike Macintyre |
1-11 |
4-6 |
| FIU |
Ron Turner |
3-9 |
1-9 |
| Idaho |
Paul Petrino |
1-11 |
1-9 |
| Kent State |
Paul Haynes |
11-3 |
3-8 |
| Kentucky |
Mark Stoops |
2-10 |
2-8 |
| La Tech |
Skip Holtz |
9-3 |
4-6 |
| NC State |
Dave Doeren |
7-6 |
3-7 |
| Nevada |
Brian Polian |
7-6 |
3-7 |
| New Mexico State |
Doug Martin |
1-11 |
1-9 |
| Northern Illinois |
Rod Carey |
12-2 |
10-0 |
| Oregon |
Mark Helfrich |
12-1 |
9-1 |
| Purdue |
Daryl Hazell |
6-7 |
1-9 |
| San Jose State |
Ron Caragher |
11-2 |
5-5 |
| Southern Miss |
Todd Monken |
0-12 |
0-10 |
| Syracuse |
Scott Shafer |
8-5 |
5-5 |
| Temple |
Matt Rhule |
4-7 |
1-9 |
| Tennessee |
Butch Jones |
5-7 |
4-6 |
| Texas Tech |
Kliff Kingsbury |
8-5 |
7-4 |
| USF |
Willie Taggart |
3-9 |
2-7 |
| Utah State |
Matt Wells |
11-2 |
6-4 |
| UTEP |
Shaun Kugler |
3-9 |
2-8 |
| Western Kentucky |
Bobby Petrino |
7-6 |
6-4 |
| Western Michigan |
PJ Fleck |
4-8 |
1-10 |
| Wisconsin |
Gary Andersen |
8-6 |
8-2 |
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T1
Oh snap. Does this mean if we replaced Skip we might do worse? (see USF)
I do think we all should pay careful attention to USF because we may hope to progress but may regress...
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rockdog
I do think we all should pay careful attention to USF because we may hope to progress but may regress...
Southern Miss too. Sometimes, it's not the coach.
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T1
Southern Miss too. Sometimes, it's not the coach.
True...but...let's not forget who was at USF...and who recruited USF for 3 years...and who put USF in the position where they needed to replace the coach...
I think it's clear that hiring a new coach definitely takes time. It looks like 40% of the teams that replaced their coach have a chance to be above .500, but by the end of the year, we may see that 65% of teams that replaced their coach will finish with a losing record.
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rockdog
True...but...let's not forget who was at USF...and who recruited USF for 3 years...and who put USF in the position where they needed to replace the coach...
I think it's clear that hiring a new coach definitely takes time. It looks like 40% of the teams that replaced their coach have a chance to be above .500, but by the end of the year, we may see that 65% of teams that replaced their coach will finish with a losing record.
I agree. What's strange about our situation is that we lost a successful coach and the new coach can't match the old coach's performance (like Ellis Johnson at USM). It seems like our program should have been heading in the right direction and anyone could step in and keep the ball rolling (like Dykes did with Dooley's team). But in fact, our coach (and perhaps USM's Fedora) destroyed our program, left the program before having to deal with the rebuilding, and left that mess for the next guy to clean up. And Sonny skips town looking like a genius. Thanks man, appreciate that!
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TLost, please take a break from this subject for awhile.
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T1
I agree. What's strange about our situation is that we lost a successful coach and the new coach can't match the old coach's performance (like Ellis Johnson at USM). It seems like our program should have been heading in the right direction and anyone could step in and keep the ball rolling (like Dykes did with Dooley's team). But in fact, our coach (and perhaps USM's Fedora) destroyed our program, left the program before having to deal with the rebuilding, and left that mess for the next guy to clean up. And Sonny skips town looking like a genius. Thanks man, appreciate that!
I bet you believe 9/11 was an inside job too
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Tech77
TLost, please take a break from this subject for awhile.
He can't.....
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Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.
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T1
Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.
Hopfully a win and decent weather!! TAG will have a bunch of eats, hoping like hell DrEvil comes by with the Margaritas!!!!!!!!!!
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touchdown123
I bet you believe 9/11 was an inside job too
Who doesn't?
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T1
Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.
Now that's about the only pleasant subject we can discuss right now when it comes to our football.
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In general teams replace a coach because of bad performance. I'd expect a first year coach to be taking over a struggling team most of the time. In our case, the coach was successful and was hired away. How many of those coaches listed came into that situation?
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Abominable Gorilla
In general teams replace a coach because of bad performance. I'd expect a first year coach to be taking over a struggling team most of the time. In our case, the coach was successful and was hired away. How many of those coaches listed came into that situation?
13 that I count...
Only 2 have losing records -
Several other are at .500
Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...
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Originally Posted by
Abominable Gorilla
In general teams replace a coach because of bad performance. I'd expect a first year coach to be taking over a struggling team most of the time. In our case, the coach was successful and was hired away. How many of those coaches listed came into that situation?
Good question. I think the following teams had their coaches hired away (I may have missed some, so I apologize in advance):
| Team |
'12 Record |
'13 Record |
| Arkansas State |
10-3 |
6-4 |
| Kent State |
11-3 |
3-8 |
| La Tech |
9-3 |
4-6 |
| Northern Illinois |
12-2 |
10-0 |
| Oregon |
12-1 |
9-1 |
| San Jose State |
11-2 |
5-5 |
| Texas Tech |
8-5 |
7-4 |
| Utah State |
11-2 |
6-4 |
| Western Kentucky |
7-6 |
6-4 |
| Wisconsin |
8-6 |
8-2 |
Four of those teams are doing worse, but Kent State and La Tech are the only ones on this list that had to replace a coaching staff and replace most of their team.
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Originally Posted by
Abominable Gorilla
In general teams replace a coach because of bad performance. I'd expect a first year coach to be taking over a struggling team most of the time. In our case, the coach was successful and was hired away. How many of those coaches listed came into that situation?
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Dwayne From Minden
13 that I count...
Only 2 have losing records -
Several other are at .500
Yep. It's not as simple as just having a new coach. Each coach comes into a different situation, many of which are losing situations.
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But we have a very "easy" schedule.
