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What happens now that it is "next man up"?
Everyone knows that six Tech players were ruled academically ineligible and won't be playing in the HOD Bowl. What are the ripple effects of that? Will Tech need to burn any red shirts as a result in order to have depth at the positions effected? I've heard of something called a "scout team" but I'm not sure of exactly what that is. Is it similar to the practice squad in the NFL or something else? Are players on the scout team regular players on the team? What impact do the ineligible players have on the scout team?
Without saying anything that might help Illinois prepare for the bowl, does anyone have any insight into how the "next man up" players are becoming acclimated to the team? I am hopeful that the OL is gelling so that Sokol doesn’t get hit, hit, and hit again.
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We should be just fine with the next in line after am extra month of practice
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Yeah, it's basically the same scenario as the Marshall game. We have adequate backups who will fill the holes even better this time around with a month of practice. No redshirts should be burned and I would expect our coaching staff to prepare our guys so that you don't notice a difference.
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Different question......
Do those deemed academically ineligible get any of the bowl benefits? Does the NCAA ban them from attending game and events, receiving gifts, or other? Honestly, I would hope Holtz requires they stay home even if the rules don't require it.
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I thought our backups played pretty well against Marshall. With an extra month of practice they should be fine. What hurt us the most that game was Sokol not being able to throw in the rain (still wish he would've played without the glove), our punter keeping Marshall in scoring range the entire game (why you would depend on a rugby bounce kind of punt on a soggy wet field I will never know), and our offensive play calling. Hopefully with better weather in Dallas and a month to prepare, we won't repeat these same mistakes
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techman05
Different question......
Do those deemed academically ineligible get any of the bowl benefits? Does the NCAA ban them from attending game and events, receiving gifts, or other? Honestly, I would hope Holtz requires they stay home even if the rules don't require it.
Do we lock them up in the dungeon under Wyly? Stay home seems a little harsh. I doubt they will be traveling with the team, but if they want to go watch those their friends and teammates play I hardly see any way he could stop them. I certainly hope they take steps to limit these things in the future though.
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The six can buy their tickets at the Tech ticket office.
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Cool Hand Clyde
We should be just fine with the next in line after am extra month of practice
feel the same way -- not like they have not been around for at least 13 games so far -- just hope weather holds up--- our biggest advantage against northern teams has always been our speed --
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kw2292
Do we lock them up in the dungeon under Wyly? Stay home seems a little harsh. I doubt they will be traveling with the team, but if they want to go watch those their friends and teammates play I hardly see any way he could stop them. I certainly hope they take steps to limit these things in the future though.
Coach Holtz said this was "learning experience" for him-- he seemed genuinely surprised that 6 players had let team down -- got a feeling he will have new system in place for monoriting grades next yr ( hope he stays)
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kw2292
Do we lock them up in the dungeon under Wyly? Stay home seems a little harsh. I doubt they will be traveling with the team, but if they want to go watch those their friends and teammates play I hardly see any way he could stop them. I certainly hope they take steps to limit these things in the future though.
I doubt they will travel with the team and be able to participate in the bowl events for the team. But if they want to buy a ticket and watch the game in the stands - then I'm sure that would be okay. But I'm thinking they are probably trying to fly under the radar at the moment and probably won't be at the game.
I believe it would be possible to not earn six credits, but only be on academic probation according to school rules, so it is possible that at least some of them are in school trying to get back on track academically. I don't know what the rules are about athletic scholarships, so they might would have to pay their own way, which I'm guessing most would be unable to do. If they are only on academic probation, then they might be able to qualify for other types of financial aid. I hope there is some way that they are able to continue on in college if that is what they would like to do in order to obtain a degree.
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dawg gone it
I thought our backups played pretty well against Marshall. With an extra month of practice they should be fine. What hurt us the most that game was Sokol not being able to throw in the rain (still wish he would've played without the glove), our punter keeping Marshall in scoring range the entire game (why you would depend on a rugby bounce kind of punt on a soggy wet field I will never know), and our offensive play calling. Hopefully with better weather in Dallas and a month to prepare, we won't repeat these same mistakes
I watched the Rice game three times, but have been unable to make myself watch the Marshall game again to see what went wrong. I know the pocket Sokol had for the Rice game was not there for the Marshall game - perhaps because of the new starters on the O-Line.
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kw2292
Do we lock them up in the dungeon under Wyly? Stay home seems a little harsh. I doubt they will be traveling with the team, but if they want to go watch those their friends and teammates play I hardly see any way he could stop them. I certainly hope they take steps to limit these things in the future though.
I don't think you go that far. If they want to buy tickets and pay their own way out there that is fine. I just don't think they should accompany the team out there. A little harsh, maybe. After all, they helped us get there. However, I not sure how things work in other work environments, but I only ge my bonus money if I am still working when bonus money is divied out. They won't mail me a check if I quit 2 weeks early, even though I helped earn that money for everyone.
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Dawg Fan
Everyone knows that six Tech players were ruled academically ineligible and won't be playing in the HOD Bowl. What are the ripple effects of that? Will Tech need to burn any red shirts as a result in order to have depth at the positions effected? I've heard of something called a "scout team" but I'm not sure of exactly what that is. Is it similar to the practice squad in the NFL or something else? Are players on the scout team regular players on the team? What impact do the ineligible players have on the scout team?
Without saying anything that might help Illinois prepare for the bowl, does anyone have any insight into how the "next man up" players are becoming acclimated to the team? I am hopeful that the OL is gelling so that Sokol doesn’t get hit, hit, and hit again.
With all due respect, if you do not know that the "scout team" is the unit of regular players who portray the upcoming opponents offense and defense each week of practice for the two deep, then . . . .
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Dawgpix
With all due respect, if you do not know that the "scout team" is the unit of regular players who portray the upcoming opponents offense and defense each week of practice for the two deep, then . . . .
Are you sure?? I always thought they were kids who wore shirts with badges and they sold popcorn as fundraiser.
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techman05
Are you sure?? I always thought they were kids who wore shirts with badges and they sold popcorn as fundraiser.
You've been wasting your thought cells . . .:laugh:
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Dawgpix
With all due respect, if you do not know that the "scout team" is the unit of regular players who portray the upcoming opponents offense and defense each week of practice for the two deep, then . . . .
Makes me wonder if I am due any respect at all. :) But my question is not really as dumb or stupid as it might first appear. What made me even wonder about it has been talk of having a practice squad of men that play against women's teams in basketball during practice, and notations that I have seen listed on the roster for football players. I have noticed that several have "SQ" for squad. http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m...ootbl-mtt.html
When looking at some of the players, there are notations such as "Did not play ... Member of the scout squad." http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m...on_913735.html
So, even though I know that teams try to replicate in practice how the upcoming opponents play so they know how to defend it or score against it, I didn't/don't know if there are maximum roster sizes for "regular" players that can be supplemented by other players. With all the talk of red shirt, gray shirt, green shirt, walk-on, etc. it is hard to keep up with everything. So, I figured I'd get some help from someone more knowledgeable than me on the subject. I'm just saying...
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Dogsince65
Coach Holtz said this was "learning experience" for him-- he seemed genuinely surprised that 6 players had let team down -- got a feeling he will have new system in place for monoriting grades next yr ( hope he stays)
Hope who stays ..... HCSH?
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Dawgpix
With all due respect, if you do not know that the "scout team" is the unit of regular players who portray the upcoming opponents offense and defense each week of practice for the two deep, then . . . .
Seems to me that you didn't show any respect. Why be snarky when someone is asking questions to learn? Disappointed in you, T-Mo.
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Dawg Fan
Makes me wonder if I am due any respect at all. :) But my question is not really as dumb or stupid as it might first appear. What made me even wonder about it has been talk of having a practice squad of men that play against women's teams in basketball during practice, and notations that I have seen listed on the roster for football players. I have noticed that several have "SQ" for squad.
http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m...ootbl-mtt.html
When looking at some of the players, there are notations such as "Did not play ... Member of the scout squad."
http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m...on_913735.html
So, even though I know that teams try to replicate in practice how the upcoming opponents play so they know how to defend it or score against it, I didn't/don't know if there are maximum roster sizes for "regular" players that can be supplemented by other players. With all the talk of red shirt, gray shirt, green shirt, walk-on, etc. it is hard to keep up with everything. So, I figured I'd get some help from someone more knowledgeable than me on the subject. I'm just saying...
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girldawg
Seems to me that you didn't show any respect. Why be snarky when someone is asking questions to learn? Disappointed in you, T-Mo.
I guess we need a "snarky" emoticom. I swear I used a wink after the first post. But I guess I didn't.
Squadmen, walk-ons, redshirts, gray shirts, transfers can all be on a "scout squad". They have been around for more 45 years of my former HS playing days, HS, college or pro.
Notables on last year's Tech team included Paul Turner and Michael Mims (voted "scout team member of the year").
So, there, you know as much as I do.. . just a few snarky hours later.
Everybody happy?:)
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Thanks, Dawgpix! Much better!! ;)
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Dawg Fan
Everyone knows that six Tech players were ruled academically ineligible and won't be playing in the HOD Bowl. What are the ripple effects of that? Will Tech need to burn any red shirts as a result in order to have depth at the positions effected? I've heard of something called a "scout team" but I'm not sure of exactly what that is. Is it similar to the practice squad in the NFL or something else? Are players on the scout team regular players on the team? What impact do the ineligible players have on the scout team?
Without saying anything that might help Illinois prepare for the bowl, does anyone have any insight into how the "next man up" players are becoming acclimated to the team? I am hopeful that the OL is gelling so that Sokol doesn’t get hit, hit, and hit again.
If Holtz were to burn a red shirt in a bowl game, unless it was a national championship, then he would be a bigger idiot than anyone on this board has ever portrayed him to be.
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RhinoDawg
If Holtz were to burn a red shirt in a bowl game, unless it was a national championship, then he would be a bigger idiot than anyone on this board has ever portrayed him to be.
Fact
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RhinoDawg
If Holtz were to burn a red shirt in a bowl game, unless it was a national championship, then he would be a bigger idiot than anyone on this board has ever portrayed him to be.
Or! a coach trying to attract the attention of a bigger school by winning a bowl game this year, and following up with another good season, and who has no plans to be around for a 4th year of some kid anyway....
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RhinoDawg
If Holtz were to burn a red shirt in a bowl game, unless it was a national championship, then he would be a bigger idiot than anyone on this board has ever portrayed him to be.
I agree that burning a red shirt in a bowl game wouldn't make much sense, but many believe that burning Marlon Watt's redshirt in the UTSA game was a dumb move. He only had 9 receptions in three games after that - not exactly a game changer.
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Dawg Fan
I agree that burning a red shirt in a bowl game wouldn't make much sense, but many believe that burning Marlon Watt's redshirt in the UTSA game was a dumb move. He only had 9 receptions in three games after that - not exactly a game changer.
One rumor had Mr. Watts ready to move away from LaTech if he didn't get immediate PT.
The lack of use of Conner Smith was a head scratcher too.
