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is terrible.
I'll put this here instead of derailing the Syracuse thread.
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RealityCheck
Tech's RPI schedule strength is #349 out of the 351 Division I schools. At least that will change after today.
Our RPI SOS improved a grand total of 2 spots up to #347 of 351 DI schools after playing Syracuse. Our OOC schedule is a complete joke. Somehow White found a way to make it weaker than last year's joke of a schedule. Nobody wants to watch us play Nicholls State or Southern Arkansas either. Until we find a way to improve scheduling, our at-large hopes are eliminated before our season even tips off.
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RXDAWG
It's kind of hard when you call EVERY SEC team and most Big 12 teams and they turn you down even going to their place.
Please. Sick of the excuses. I'm not asking for Big 12 and SEC teams. We got two Big 12 teams last year and two ACC teams this year. We don't need more money games. Just a few home-and-homes against respectable teams. A good start would be to STOP scheduling Southland (only UNO/SFA acceptable), SWAC, Samford, Presbyterian, and Southern Arkansas. There are a couple dozen other conferences with decent schools to schedule.
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RealityCheck
With Tech's schedule, that's all that ever mattered...can't get an at-large bid with a 200+ SOS.
This. ^^^
Our non-conference schedule never gave our guys a chance for an at-large bid this year. It's not fair to our players, and it's not what our fans want to see. This program will not be able to take the next step if our only option of making the Big Dance is being 1 of 14 teams to get hot to win the C-USA Tournament.
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It would be awesome to see us play Creighton, Butler, Wichita St, N Iowa, or similar. To me, a 30 game schedule should have more than just 3 big games on it. We might have to suffer and play the first game of a H and H away in a few instances. If all we did was call teams in the P5 ranks to try and get a game then I don't think we tried very hard. In basketball, there are as many good teams in the lesser conferences as there are in the P5.
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We haven't been able to beat any decent teams so far this year. I don't think we're good enough to earn an at-large (even with a better schedule). There is a chance we could be pretty good by the conference tournament. That's our only hope.
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boxerdog
We haven't been able to beat any decent teams so far this year. I don't think we're good enough to earn an at-large (even with a better schedule). There is a chance we could be pretty good by the conference tournament. That's our only hope.
True, but my point is that Coach White was Big Dance or bust with this team but never gave our guys a chance for an at-large bid with this OOC schedule. And this schedule does absolutely nothing for our fans.
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Dawg06
True, but my point is that Coach White was Big Dance or bust with this team but never gave our guys a chance for an at-large bid with this OOC schedule. And this schedule does absolutely nothing for our fans.
I've heard it was difficult to find anybody to play this year, much less come to Ruston. We need more money to pay decent teams. At any rate, I think "finish" is a good motto. You can't finish until the end.
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boxerdog
I've heard it was difficult to find anybody to play this year, much less come to Ruston. We need more money to pay decent teams. At any rate, I think "finish" is a good motto. You can't finish until the end.
I get that it's not easy, but it can be done. What we got this year is not just bad. It's atrocious. 6 of our 13 OOC games are against teams currently ranked #315 or worse on KenPom. There are 351 DI teams trying to fill out 13-15 OOC slots. There are opportunities for us, and it's really not hard to simply avoid the bottom of the barrel.
And the money issue is really moot. Go play on the road at a similar school for ~$75K. Then use that money to buy another decent opponent for ~$75K. Schedule two pairs of home-and-homes like that, and the money will all cancel out paying out $150K in guarantee money and then receiving $150K in guarantee money.
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Where do we rank vs the rest of CUSA ooc schedules. I just looked at a couple; WKU, Charlotte, UTEP, & ODU and they all had pretty good opponents. Two things that stands out though is they play a selection of local schools and they faced better teams in their tournaments. Also they all had a win over a better school that they could hang their hat on.
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Dawg06
I get that it's not easy, but it can be done. What we got this year is not just bad. It's atrocious. 6 of our 13 OOC games are against teams currently ranked #315 or worse on KenPom. There are 351 DI teams trying to fill out 13-15 OOC slots. There are opportunities for us, and it's really not hard to simply avoid the bottom of the barrel.
And the money issue is really moot. Go play on the road at a similar school for ~$75K. Then use that money to buy another decent opponent for ~$75K. Schedule two pairs of home-and-homes like that, and the money will all cancel out paying out $150K in guarantee money and then receiving $150K in guarantee money.
How do we stay in business like that? Take in a dollar from one team and hand it to another leaves zero balance in the kitty. How do we pay the bills?
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Exes&Ohs
How do we stay in business like that? Take in a dollar from one team and hand it to another leaves zero balance in the kitty. How do we pay the bills?
Football pays the bills.
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This is the only thing that makes yesterday less painful. It didn't cost us a shot at an at-large, that was probably out the window after the Temple loss with our schedule.
I wouldn't mind playing SFA/Sam Houston and even NWST(just not every year cause we could schedule worse teams), and try to get some Missouri Valley and Ohio Valley teams. No, it doesn't have to be Creighton and Wichita's. Try to get some home and homes with Indiana St, Belmont, Murray St, Illinois St, etc. Add those type of games with 2 or 3 games against the big conferences and the RPI is a little better. Nicholls and the swac schools have to go.
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Dawg06
True, but my point is that Coach White was Big Dance or bust with this team but never gave our guys a chance for an at-large bid with this OOC schedule. And this schedule does absolutely nothing for our fans.
Yep, it's win the conference tourney or back to the NIT - no chance, unless we go undefeated the rest of the way with one loss in tourney championship. So 4 total losses is the only chance to go at large. It's a long season, hopefully we will take care of business and win tourney.
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Exes&Ohs
How do we stay in business like that? Take in a dollar from one team and hand it to another leaves zero balance in the kitty. How do we pay the bills?
That's the point of the home-and-home guarantees, for the guarantees to net $0 while getting four quality opponents with two at home.
Please tell me how playing home-and-homes against respectable schools/programs will negatively affect our ability to pay the bills compared to playing home-and-homes with jucos from the SWAC, Southland, Samford, etc.?
And basketball doesn't pay the bills anyway.
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Black
This is the only thing that makes yesterday less painful. It didn't cost us a shot at an at-large, that was probably out the window after the Temple loss with our schedule.
I wouldn't mind playing SFA/Sam Houston and even NWST(just not every year cause we could schedule worse teams), and try to get some Missouri Valley and Ohio Valley teams. No, it doesn't have to be Creighton and Wichita's. Try to get some home and homes with Indiana St, Belmont, Murray St, Illinois St, etc. Add those type of games with 2 or 3 games against the big conferences and the RPI is a little better. Nicholls and the swac schools have to go.
Thank you for filling in more names from the smaller conferences. My brain couldn't get past the mainstay programs.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg06
That's the point of the home-and-home guarantees, for the guarantees to net $0 while getting four quality opponents with two at home.
Please tell me how playing home-and-homes against respectable schools/programs will negatively affect our ability to pay the bills compared to playing home-and-homes with jucos from the SWAC, Southland, Samford, etc.?
And basketball doesn't pay the bills anyway.
Maddog, in a post above, states that football pays the bills. There have been a lot of links leading to sites like USA Today, Dept of Education, and even our own financial reports that show the Tech athletic programs are not generating even HALF of the money need to cover its annual operating expenses. The balance needed to balance income with expenses is transferred to athletics from school funds thus football is not carrying even their own load.
I did not put much though into basketball scheduling prior to submitting my post and agree the guarantees are a wash. The question though would be whether or not Tech would make more off TWO home games against the whomevers after paying a nominal fee for no return or more from the ONE game against Wichita State, etc.
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
Maddog, in a post above, states that football pays the bills. There have been a lot of links leading to sites like USA Today, Dept of Education, and even our own financial reports that show the Tech athletic programs are not generating even HALF of the money need to cover its annual operating expenses. The balance needed to balance income with expenses is transferred to athletics from school funds thus football is not carrying even their own load.
Thanks for the info.. Yes, we understood how things work before the idiots at USA Today, and the Dept of Education did the studies. Many of us know what the numbers are because we read those numbers each year. Don't spout numbers that you are not familiar with.
Yes at this point, Football carries the load for the entire athletic budget,
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maddawg
Thanks for the info.. Yes, we understood how things work before the idiots at USA Today, and the Dept of Education did the studies. Many of us know what the numbers are because we read those numbers each year. Don't spout numbers that you are not familiar with.
Yes at this point, Football carries the load for the entire athletic budget,
Do you trust our own athletic dept or University accountants? If so I will try to find the link to THEIR financial statement which confirms exactly what I said.
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
Do you trust our own athletic dept or University accountants? If so I will try to find the link to THEIR financial statement which confirms exactly what I said.
$18.94 per year gets you access to that report here on BBB.
Our budget is $18M. The number you are looking for is $7M. That's not half. Even if it were, only people like Eager Eagle use it incorrectly to support the same argument you are tying to make. If you were right, you'd still be wrong about your original argument vs. me when I said football pays the bills.
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
Maddog, in a post above, states that football pays the bills. There have been a lot of links leading to sites like USA Today, Dept of Education, and even our own financial reports that show the Tech athletic programs are not generating even HALF of the money need to cover its annual operating expenses. The balance needed to balance income with expenses is transferred to athletics from school funds thus football is not carrying even their own load.
I did not put much though into basketball scheduling prior to submitting my post and agree the guarantees are a wash. The question though would be whether or not Tech would make more off TWO home games against the whomevers after paying a nominal fee for no return or more from the ONE game against Wichita State, etc.
"Athletic departments don't generate enough revenue to cover their expenses so the universities have to subsidize their losses." That's the narrative that USA Today wants you to believe, and it's a load of crock. Our institutional support is not transferred to cover losses or balance expenses. It's transferred to supplement our athletic budget to the fullest because the university deems athletics worthy of the 3% general fund transfer that the state allows. Even if our athletic department did generate $18 million in revenues, our university would still transfer the $8 million or whatever it is to the athletics department. You can count the number of schools that don't have so-called athletics "subsidies" on one hand. Tech is really no different from the vast majority of DI schools that do this except that Tech is one of the very few schools that doesn't tax their students with fees to supplement our athletics budget. Of course football doesn't cover our whole budget, but football does bring in significantly more money than all other sports combined.
As for the second part, Tech doesn't make much money on home basketball games. In White's first two seasons (all we have data for), Tech averaged less than $8K in ticket sales per home game. I still think you don't understand what I'm saying about scheduling. It's not a 2 nobodies vs. 1 somebody replacement situation. To take our basketball program to the next level, we have to stop scheduling home-and-homes with these Southland/SWAC schools and other nobodies. There are numerous other respectable schools/programs to replace them with. I'm not taking five hours out of my day, paying for ten gallons of gas, and buying tickets to watch us play a bunch of jucos in basketball. And playing all those jucos essentially eliminates our at-large chances before the season even starts. It's a lose-lose situation even though White is notching a bunch of meaningless wins in the W column. We can't afford to play all those jucos like teams from P5 or Top 10 conferences can because we don't have the opportunity for a bunch of resume wins in C-USA play.
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You come if you choose or not...these wins will make mike white a rich man...i do agree it could be better but these cats want wins
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bulldogbacker2
You come if you choose or not...these wins will make mike white a rich man...i do agree it could be better but these cats want wins
No, racking up Ws against Southland/SWAC/non-DI schools will not make him a rich man. Winning championships, beating top tier programs, and making noise in the postseason are what get coaches paid.
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Dawg06
No, racking up Ws against Southland/SWAC/non-DI schools will not make him a rich man. Winning championships, beating top tier programs, and making noise in the postseason are what get coaches paid.
And winning games against FCS schools only gives you a false sense of accomplishment that is crushed come conference play.
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At least we aren't playing Tougaloo!
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Back to the subject of this thread.
Basketball scheduling. Not game guarantees, college athletics financing, but basketball scheduling.
Several things must happen, but here are the basics: 2 college basketball coaches have to agree to play a game of basketball at home or away or at a neutral site on a mutually agreeable date. Notice I did not say athletics directors. Basketball coaches.
The main exception would be if a promoter put together a matchup at a neutral site for a sizable guarantee before paying the teams.
After the season, ask Coach Michael White to show you the rejection emails he gets from all levels of Division 1 peers who THIS YEAR have refused via phone call or email to host the Bulldogs or travel to Ruston.
Yes, '06, please do that before you express your comments of disgust. Your imagination and assumptions at times can go south at times.
Hey, if ADs were directly involved in scheduling, we could get a sniff at scheduling Duke, don't you think? Our coach is close to the AD, who respects our AD. Now, Coach K? That must be the rub. Dang coaches.
We must play with the hand dealt in the process and we must begin now, as Boxer, said so well: We need to finish.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg06
No, racking up Ws against Southland/SWAC/non-DI schools will not make him a rich man. Winning championships, beating top tier programs, and making noise in the postseason are what get coaches paid.
Those are the expected, tangible results of being a good coach. So, yeah, I agree with you. It is true White has already been courted by bigger schools, Mizzou and Tennessee were interested in him. And the interest remains and will increase when he gets over the hump. The hump? Making noise in the Dance and/or cracking the Top 25.
Louisiana Tech rocketed into the Top 25(or Top 20, I think it was back then) and all the way to 7th in the polls during the '84-'85 season, and our schedule looked a lot like it does now, maybe weaker! It is true the SLC was a decent conference back then. Lamar, USL, McNeese all joined Tech in the Top 40. On a couple of occasions Lamar cracked the Top 20 during that time. But, our OOC was fairly non-descript. We did beat a then 5th ranked Louisville (under Denny Crum) but other than that Weber State and Rice were about it. The rest were mere cannon fodder. So, why did we get such a lofty ranking? Because we were that LEGIT good and everyone knew it. Schedule didn't matter, the Dawgs were one of the ten best teams in the nation. And Russo was hired away by Washington. A BIG mistake for him, he shoulda stayed here.
White will leave for more money and new challenges and opportunities in his career. So far, he has been very smart how he is handling it. He NEEDS a signature win and a run thru the Dance, and getting Tech ranked. Then....money $$$$.
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
$18.94 per year gets you access to that report here on BBB.
Our budget is $18M. The number you are looking for is $7M. That's not half. Even if it were, only people like Eager Eagle use it incorrectly to support the same argument you are tying to make. If you were right, you'd still be wrong about your original argument vs. me when I said football pays the bills.
Excuse me. I am NOT trying to make an argument. Everyone can read and interpret the info as they like.
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
How do we stay in business like that? Take in a dollar from one team and hand it to another leaves zero balance in the kitty. How do we pay the bills?
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
Football pays the bills.
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
Maddog, in a post above, states that football pays the bills. There have been a lot of links leading to sites like USA Today, Dept of Education, and even our own financial reports that show the Tech athletic programs are not generating even HALF of the money need to cover its annual operating expenses. The balance needed to balance income with expenses is transferred to athletics from school funds thus football is not carrying even their own load.
I did not put much though into basketball scheduling prior to submitting my post and agree the guarantees are a wash. The question though would be whether or not Tech would make more off TWO home games against the whomevers after paying a nominal fee for no return or more from the ONE game against Wichita State, etc.
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
Thanks for the info.. Yes, we understood how things work before the idiots at USA Today, and the Dept of Education did the studies. Many of us know what the numbers are because we read those numbers each year. Don't spout numbers that you are not familiar with.
Yes at this point, Football carries the load for the entire athletic budget,
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Originally Posted by
Exes&Ohs
Do you trust our own athletic dept or University accountants? If so I will try to find the link to THEIR financial statement which confirms exactly what I said.
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Originally Posted by
maddawg
$18.94 per year gets you access to that report here on BBB.
Our budget is $18M. The number you are looking for is $7M. That's not half. Even if it were, only people like Eager Eagle use it incorrectly to support the same argument you are tying to make. If you were right, you'd still be wrong about your original argument vs. me when I said football pays the bills.
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Exes&Ohs
Excuse me. I am NOT trying to make an argument. Everyone can read and interpret the info as they like.
How do you think everyone interprets the SEZ project? You think football is the bellcow of that one or state subsidies?
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maddawg
How do you think everyone interprets the SEZ project? You think football is the bellcow of that one or state subsidies?
I thought you were referring to annual operating expenses when you said football paid the bills. The SEZ project is not an operating expense but a permanent structure that is being built with about half the funds donated by fans and the other half by student fees. Football was the driving force in getting it authorized but football is not paying for it. That was explained in a post on this board back around Dec or so if I remember correctly.
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Dawgpix
Huggs! speaking his mind. Makes some valid points.
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Originally Posted by
dawg80
Those are the expected, tangible results of being a good coach. So, yeah, I agree with you. It is true White has already been courted by bigger schools, Mizzou and Tennessee were interested in him. And the interest remains and will increase when he gets over the hump. The hump? Making noise in the Dance and/or cracking the Top 25.
Louisiana Tech rocketed into the Top 25(or Top 20, I think it was back then) and all the way to 7th in the polls during the '84-'85 season, and our schedule looked a lot like it does now, maybe weaker! It is true the SLC was a decent conference back then. Lamar, USL, McNeese all joined Tech in the Top 40. On a couple of occasions Lamar cracked the Top 20 during that time. But, our OOC was fairly non-descript. We did beat a then 5th ranked Louisville (under Denny Crum) but other than that Weber State and Rice were about it. The rest were mere cannon fodder. So, why did we get such a lofty ranking? Because we were that LEGIT good and everyone knew it. Schedule didn't matter, the Dawgs were one of the ten best teams in the nation. And Russo was hired away by Washington. A BIG mistake for him, he shoulda stayed here.
White will leave for more money and new challenges and opportunities in his career. So far, he has been very smart how he is handling it. He NEEDS a signature win and a run thru the Dance, and getting Tech ranked. Then....money $$$$.
So, play the hand you are dealt. Win games against Southern, NWSt, LaLaff, and such by 20 or more and then dominate your conference. If we are top 25 material that should not be a huge ask, I guess.
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7 out of 9 times, we win the MBB game at LaLaff
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Scheduling high RPI teams is an issue for teams like Tech. We don't have the money to buy teams in and most top 150 rpi teams or even get a home and home, so tournaments are the best why to get to play upper rpi teams.
In reference to the lots of wins over plus 150 rpi teams, I feel like you win games against who will play you. White has done that ina big way and knocked off BCS schools along the way.
As a fan, I like the k-state method for right now. Win a bunch of games and then win the conference tournament. Make noise from there.
White plays a style of ball that can win in the tournament.
At the end of the day, there is just not that much you can do about the OOC schedule because it takes two schools agreeing and we don't have leverage (money, big name, cool place to visit, etc) to get schools into ruston to play, so playing the instate schools at least draws local interest vs paying or signing home and home to get a mac school in here that has no interest and no coverage in the paper.
The catch here is you are going to get beat every now and then like ULL the last 2 times. Just win and then just win in the tournament.
The end goal here is to schedule as best you can to get a seed in the tournament that give us a sweet 16 run in the tournament and a coaching search right after that.
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Originally Posted by
Dawgpix
Back to the subject of this thread.
Basketball scheduling. Not game guarantees, college athletics financing, but basketball scheduling.
Several things must happen, but here are the basics: 2 college basketball coaches have to agree to play a game of basketball at home or away or at a neutral site on a mutually agreeable date. Notice I did not say athletics directors. Basketball coaches.
The main exception would be if a promoter put together a matchup at a neutral site for a sizable guarantee before paying the teams.
After the season, ask Coach Michael White to show you the rejection emails he gets from all levels of Division 1 peers who THIS YEAR have refused via phone call or email to host the Bulldogs or travel to Ruston.
Yes, '06, please do that before you express your comments of disgust. Your imagination and assumptions at times can go south at times.
Hey, if ADs were directly involved in scheduling, we could get a sniff at scheduling Duke, don't you think? Our coach is close to the AD, who respects our AD. Now, Coach K? That must be the rub. Dang coaches.
We must play with the hand dealt in the process and we must begin now, as Boxer, said so well: We need to finish.
Since I don't rub elbows with White and you do, why don't you enlighten us about who all turned us down?
I never said anything about the ADs so I don't know where you're coming from with all that. But it's quite obvious that White could use a lot of help scheduling.
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dawg80
Those are the expected, tangible results of being a good coach. So, yeah, I agree with you. It is true White has already been courted by bigger schools, Mizzou and Tennessee were interested in him. And the interest remains and will increase when he gets over the hump. The hump? Making noise in the Dance and/or cracking the Top 25.
Louisiana Tech rocketed into the Top 25(or Top 20, I think it was back then) and all the way to 7th in the polls during the '84-'85 season, and our schedule looked a lot like it does now, maybe weaker! It is true the SLC was a decent conference back then. Lamar, USL, McNeese all joined Tech in the Top 40. On a couple of occasions Lamar cracked the Top 20 during that time. But, our OOC was fairly non-descript. We did beat a then 5th ranked Louisville (under Denny Crum) but other than that Weber State and Rice were about it. The rest were mere cannon fodder. So, why did we get such a lofty ranking? Because we were that LEGIT good and everyone knew it. Schedule didn't matter, the Dawgs were one of the ten best teams in the nation. And Russo was hired away by Washington. A BIG mistake for him, he shoulda stayed here.
White will leave for more money and new challenges and opportunities in his career. So far, he has been very smart how he is handling it. He NEEDS a signature win and a run thru the Dance, and getting Tech ranked. Then....money $$$$.
Top 25 rankings are totally irrelevant to the NCAA selection committee. Top 25 teams have been left out of the tournament recently due to poor strength of schedule: Utah State several years ago and then SMU last year. You also can't compare a Top 5 win vs. not even having a single RPI Top 150 win so far this year.
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dawg80
Huggs! speaking his mind. Makes some valid points.
Yep. Loved it.
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techman05
So, play the hand you are dealt. Win games against Southern, NWSt, LaLaff, and such by 20 or more and then dominate your conference. If we are top 25 material that should not be a huge ask, I guess.
Beating those teams like that still wouldn't be enough for an at-large bid. Top 25 rankings and NCAA selection committee are two completely different animals.
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former_d1
Scheduling high RPI teams is an issue for teams like Tech. We don't have the money to buy teams in and most top 150 rpi teams or even get a home and home, so tournaments are the best why to get to play upper rpi teams.
In reference to the lots of wins over plus 150 rpi teams, I feel like you win games against who will play you. White has done that ina big way and knocked off BCS schools along the way.
As a fan, I like the k-state method for right now. Win a bunch of games and then win the conference tournament. Make noise from there.
White plays a style of ball that can win in the tournament.
At the end of the day, there is just not that much you can do about the OOC schedule because it takes two schools agreeing and we don't have leverage (money, big name, cool place to visit, etc) to get schools into ruston to play, so playing the instate schools at least draws local interest vs paying or signing home and home to get a mac school in here that has no interest and no coverage in the paper.
The catch here is you are going to get beat every now and then like ULL the last 2 times. Just win and then just win in the tournament.
The end goal here is to schedule as best you can to get a seed in the tournament that give us a sweet 16 run in the tournament and a coaching search right after that.
I'm not buying it anymore. Sick of hearing all the excuses. Don't tell me we don't have the money when we are paying this staff outrageous salaries. We have to be one of the very few FBS schools that pays our basketball coaches more than our football coaches, except that our basketball program doesn't bring in hardly any revenue. And other C-USA teams are landing deals to play in much better tournaments.
White has beaten up on a lot of really weak teams, but he's also lost several games to in-state jucos. He's only knocked off one BCS school on an OOC schedule (Oklahoma).
We've been trying that K-State method going on 24 years now, and it's failed each of the last 23 years. And White's style of basketball has yet to win a conference tournament including falling twice as the No. 1 seed.
Again, I'm not asking for Wichita State or Baylor. Just avoid these 200+, 300+ SWAC and Southland teams. There is no reason for us to ever play in a SWAC gym. None. If we really can't find a way to get Top 200 mid-majors on our schedule, then we have a major problem. We have to find a way to get it done. And don't tell me that these crappy in-state jucos like Nicholls State and Southern draw any interest for Tech fans. That's laughable like Huggins said. I guarantee you a game against one of the top tier MAC teams would generate more interest than most of these pitiful teams on our schedule. Do you actually think playing Nicholls State is gonna get us more press in the paper than playing somebody else? No way.
I'm fine with playing ULL in basketball... Just don't lose to them! :icon_mad:
"Just win the tournament." How's that been working out for us?
Don't misunderstand me, though. I love Coach White, and I respect you and your opinion. I've just had enough of the excuses for these pathetic schedules. We have to start scheduling like a top tier C-USA program. What we are doing scheduling-wise obviously is not working. It does nothing for our NCAA hopes, and it does nothing for our fans.
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Expected OOC Opponent RPI
45.6 NC State
78.3 Syracuse
112.8 American
122.6 Temple
183.9 LaLaff
209.0 Morehead State
279.0 Northwestern State
303.3 Jackson State
307.9 Southern
330.0 Samford
333.2 Nicholls State
336.4 Presbyterian
Non-DI Southern Arkansas
We can do better than this.
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Dawg06
Since I don't rub elbows with White and you do, why don't you enlighten us about who all turned us down?
I never said anything about the ADs so I don't know where you're coming from with all that. But it's quite obvious that White could use a lot of help scheduling.
Don't be so sensitive. The AD comment wasn't directed at you.
It takes two to tango in scheduling.
It's that simple.
But, since you only have conditional love for Coach White it really doesn't matter what someone tells you.
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Dawgpix
Don't be so sensitive. The AD comment wasn't directed at you.
It takes two to tango in scheduling.
It's that simple.
But, since you only have conditional love for Coach White it really doesn't matter what someone tells you.
Obviously it takes a mutual agreement to schedule. I never disputed that. And that's BS about my "conditional love" for Coach White. I've been a huge fan since the very beginning. I just think he (and our admin) can do a lot better scheduling while others are content with these pathetic schedules.
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Dawg06
Obviously it takes a mutual agreement to schedule. I never disputed that. And that's BS about my "conditional love" for Coach White. I've been a huge fan since the very beginning. I just think he (and our admin) can do a lot better scheduling while others are content with these pathetic schedules.
Once again, if you desire to be the SACOTU, knock yourself out.
I got other topics to worry about at the water cooler.
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HCMW has stated numerous times that he can't get a SEC game out of them because they have been afraid to play us. I'm sure that probably goes for the Big12(8) as well but I can't recall his comment on those universities/coaches.
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...71#post1488671
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Dawg06
I'm not buying it anymore. Sick of hearing all the excuses. Don't tell me we don't have the money when we are paying this staff outrageous salaries. We have to be one of the very few FBS schools that pays our basketball coaches more than our football coaches, except that our basketball program doesn't bring in hardly any revenue. And other C-USA teams are landing deals to play in much better tournaments.
White has beaten up on a lot of really weak teams, but he's also lost several games to in-state jucos. He's only knocked off one BCS school on an OOC schedule (Oklahoma).
We've been trying that K-State method going on 24 years now, and it's failed each of the last 23 years. And White's style of basketball has yet to win a conference tournament including falling twice as the No. 1 seed.
Again, I'm not asking for Wichita State or Baylor. Just avoid these 200+, 300+ SWAC and Southland teams. There is no reason for us to ever play in a SWAC gym. None. If we really can't find a way to get Top 200 mid-majors on our schedule, then we have a major problem. We have to find a way to get it done. And don't tell me that these crappy in-state jucos like Nicholls State and Southern draw any interest for Tech fans. That's laughable like Huggins said. I guarantee you a game against one of the top tier MAC teams would generate more interest than most of these pitiful teams on our schedule. Do you actually think playing Nicholls State is gonna get us more press in the paper than playing somebody else? No way.
I'm fine with playing ULL in basketball... Just don't lose to them! :icon_mad:
"Just win the tournament." How's that been working out for us?
Don't misunderstand me, though. I love Coach White, and I respect you and your opinion. I've just had enough of the excuses for these pathetic schedules. We have to start scheduling like a top tier C-USA program. What we are doing scheduling-wise obviously is not working. It does nothing for our NCAA hopes, and it does nothing for our fans.
Ncaa tournament is what i am refering to. Conference tournaments the other team is seeing you for the 3rd time.
Win games, lots of games and recruits start coming. Hover around .500 and kids will only here if they have too, imo.
Look at the other d1 schools in the state. Did any of them have better ooc schedules? (No, i have not looked).
In my 12 years of being a season ticket holder at ualr shields was able to schedule home and home with other mids a lot, so you are right it can happen.
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former_d1
Ncaa tournament is what i am refering to. Conference tournaments the other team is seeing you for the 3rd time.
Win games, lots of games and recruits start coming. Hover around .500 and kids will only here if they have too, imo.
Look at the other d1 schools in the state. Did any of them have better ooc schedules? (No, i have not looked).
In my 12 years of being a season ticket holder at ualr shields was able to schedule home and home with other mids a lot, so you are right it can happen.
I haven't looked at the other in-state schools because I don't see them as peers. Our peers are in C-USA, and probably everybody except for maybe UTSA (who is basically coming from the Southland) has managed much better schedules than us.
FWIW I think we should be playing UALR every year. UALR is much better than Southland/SWAC. Nice arena, respectable school, and it's the only opportunity for our Arkansas alumni to watch Tech play since we never play football in Arkansas. UT Arlington is another I think we should be playing every year assuming SMU won't play us. How many fans did we bring to Arlington last time? I'm fine with LaLaff every year in hoops. And then a few more decent home-and-homes. I'm really not asking for much.
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Wade_Antley
Where do we rank vs the rest of CUSA ooc schedules. I just looked at a couple; WKU, Charlotte, UTEP, & ODU and they all had pretty good opponents. Two things that stands out though is they play a selection of local schools and they faced better teams in their tournaments. Also they all had a win over a better school that they could hang their hat on.
Best C-USA OOC HOME & NEUTRAL Site Games 2013-2014
UTEP
Arizona
Washington State
Colorado State
New Mexico State
New Mexico State
Denver
(N) Kansas
(N) Tennessee
(N) Iowa
(N) Washington
(N) Xavier
(N) Princeton
UTSA
Georgia State
Loyola (Chicago)
Texas State
Rice
Harvard
Princeton
William & Mary
South Alabama
(N) Washington State
(N) Houston
(N) Mercer
(N) Rider
North Texas
Creighton
Iona
UC Riverside
Stephen F. Austin
(N) Columbia
(N) Idaho
Louisiana Tech
American (CvC Classic)
Morehead State (CvC Classic)
ULL
(N) St. Bonaventure
Southern Miss
Rhode Island
Drexel
Georgia State
North Dakota State
Morehead State
South Alabama
(N) UALR
UAB
North Carolina
LSU
Rutgers
South Florida
Illinois State
Morehead State
(N) UCLA
(N) Florida
(N) Wisconsin
(N) Nebraska
(N) New Mexico
(N) Temple
Middle Tennessee
Belmont
Akron
Murray State
South Alabama
UALR
(N) Cincinnati
(N) Creighton
WKU
Louisville
Ole Miss
Southern Miss
Belmont
Murray State
Bowling Green
(N) Saint Joseph's
Marshall
Penn State
South Carolina
WKU
Morehead State
Cleveland State
Stephen F. Austin
Arkansas State
(N) West Virginia
(N) West Virginia
Old Dominion
VCU
George Mason
Richmond
William & Mary
Georgia State
Missouri State
Murray State
College of Charleston
(N) LSU
(N) West Virginia
(N) Saint Louis
(N) Illinois State
(N) Gardner-Webb
Charlotte
Georgia Tech
Miami
Davidson
Elon
College of Charleston
(N) Michigan
(N) Miami
(N) Kansas State
(N) Penn State
(N) South Carolina
(N) Northeastern
Florida Atlantic
Harvard
UCF
East Carolina
Eastern Kentucky
St. Francis (NY)
Elon
(N) Toledo
(N) Stony Brook
FIU
Louisville
Georgia State
Florida Gulf Coast
(N) Eastern Kentucky
(N) Wright State
(N) Youngstown State
(N) Cal State Fullerton
Tech and UTSA have by far the worst schedules in C-USA, and Tech isn't an RPI killer like UTSA is.
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TYLERTECHSAS
HCMW has stated numerous times that he can't get a SEC game out of them because they have been afraid to play us. I'm sure that probably goes for the Big12(8) as well but I can't recall his comment on those universities/coaches.
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...71#post1488671
Come on, TT. We aren't talking about playing SEC or Big 12 teams here. We got two money games last year from the Big 12 and two this year from the ACC. There are 27 other DI conferences besides the SEC, Big 12, C-USA, Southland, and SWAC.
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This is how you put together a schedule to earn an at-large bid...
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Dawg06
Come on, TT. We aren't talking about playing SEC or Big 12 teams here. We got two money games last year from the Big 12 and two this year from the ACC. There are 27 other DI conferences besides the SEC, Big 12, C-USA, Southland, and SWAC.
Oh and SMU, Tulane and I believe Tulsa won't play us as well per MW.
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Dawg06
This is how you put together a schedule to earn an at-large bid...
Attachment 12212
Wow, ODU has a great OOC schedule. ODU has 8 home games, 3 neutral site games, and only 1 away game before conference play starts. That is an ideal schedule. However note that only one team (LSU - neutral site) is in a power conference. From their home state they play George Mason, VCU, and Richmond. I would love for us to have a schedule like that.
Note that P5 schools Virginia Tech and Virginia are not on the schedule. Also, we don't have 2 non-P5 top 100 RPI schools within 100 miles, i.e. VCU and Richmond. ODU also has much higher attendance than us.
I believe our coaches did the best they could do to get a schedule like that. Unfortunately, it just didn't work out as well as ODU's. They have a good team and they will be among the favorites to win the C-USA tournament.
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HoDo-Tech70
Wow, ODU has a great OOC schedule. ODU has 8 home games, 3 neutral site games, and only 1 away game before conference play starts. That is an ideal schedule. However note that only one team (LSU - neutral site) is in a power conference. From their home state they play George Mason, VCU, and Richmond. I would love for us to have a schedule like that.
Note that P5 schools Virginia Tech and Virginia are not on the schedule. Also, we don't have 2 non-P5 top 100 RPI schools within 100 miles, i.e. VCU and Richmond. ODU also has much higher attendance than us.
I believe our coaches did the best they could do to get a schedule like that. Unfortunately, it just didn't work out as well as ODU's. They have a good team and they will be among the favorites to win the C-USA tournament.
Basically that is our schedule -
Unfortunately - Southern and Nicholls St and NWSt are not GM, VCU and Richmond...
Sale 3,000 season tickets and we can BUY some home games like ODU
Their basketball ticket revenue is probably 7x to 10x greater than ours
And they have a huge population base to draw from
Not really comparing apples to apples
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Dwayne From Minden
Basically that is our schedule -
Unfortunately - Southern and Nicholls St and NWSt are not GM, VCU and Richmond...
Sale 3,000 season tickets and we can BUY some home games like ODU
Their basketball ticket revenue is probably 7x to 10x greater than ours
And they have a huge population base to draw from
Not really comparing apples to apples
I keep waiting for the time when we can compare apples to apples when looking at schools like ODU. However, I doubt that it will ever happen because. as you said, they have greater basketball ticket revenue.
I was impressed last season by the crowd ODU had for our game with them. I plan to go back to the game in February.
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Dwayne From Minden
Basically that is our schedule -
Unfortunately - Southern and Nicholls St and NWSt are not GM, VCU and Richmond...
Sale 3,000 season tickets and we can BUY some home games like ODU
Their basketball ticket revenue is probably 7x to 10x greater than ours
And they have a huge population base to draw from
Not really comparing apples to apples
I'm not buying it.
You might have a case if we had Tulane on our schedule, but we don't. Tulane would be most similar to a school like Richmond. ODU isn't playing at in-state HBCU gyms like Norfolk State and Hampton like we are playing at Jackson State and Southern. Tech playing Nicholls State would be like if they played Longwood. Yes, they have better hoops schools in Virginia, but we have plenty of DI schools within reasonable driving distance that are more respectable than the ones on our schedule.
You say we don't have the money yet we pay our coach a lot more than they pay their coach, and like you said, they probably actually have ticket revenue unlike us. The difference in coaching salaries is probably equivalent to two bought home games, but like I said before, if we trade bought games then the net is essentially zero, right? I question why we have the highest paid coach in C-USA, but we seem to be the only school in C-USA that supposedly doesn't have enough money to put together a decent schedule. That money excuse for scheduling doesn't add up to me when I look at our coaching salaries and the offseason trip to the Bahamas. If the reason why we can't put together a better schedule really is financial, then it would seem like we are investing in the coaching staff and not the program.
BTW I watched the 2nd half and OT of the ODU-GSU game last night. ODU is gonna eat us alive on the boards.
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Dawg06
I'm not buying it.
You might have a case if we had Tulane on our schedule, but we don't. Tulane would be most similar to a school like Richmond. ODU isn't playing at in-state HBCU gyms like Norfolk State and Hampton like we are playing at Jackson State and Southern. Tech playing Nicholls State would be like if they played Longwood. Yes, they have better hoops schools in Virginia, but we have plenty of DI schools within reasonable driving distance that are more respectable than the ones on our schedule.
You say we don't have the money yet we pay our coach a lot more than they pay their coach, and like you said, they probably actually have ticket revenue unlike us. The difference in coaching salaries is probably equivalent to two bought home games, but like I said before, if we trade bought games then the net is essentially zero, right? I question why we have the highest paid coach in C-USA, but we seem to be the only school in C-USA that supposedly doesn't have enough money to put together a decent schedule. It seems like we are investing in the coaching staff and not the program.
BTW I watched the 2nd half and OT of the ODU-GSU game last night. ODU is gonna eat us alive on the boards.
You can argue all day long -
But I have been a season ticket holder almost as long as you have been alive
We can wish and do something else in the other hand, but in reality we are what we are
It amazes me we can put the product on the floor and fields of play that we do when we are basically a core group of donors away from being McNeese St
Could it be better - of course, but it could also be where we for the last 15 of the 20 past years
I have NO problem playing home and homes with NWSt, USLs and McNeese - and I have almost $2k in season basketball tickets
The question going into this season was not whether we are going to be good - but whether we were going to be good out the box or come late January
We have that answer now
90% of the problem is NO ONE outside of the LA schools will come to play in Ruston - THEY NEVER HAVE - the only decent games we got were 2 for ones and the return games off the Bracket Buster series
It's steps - small one's albeit but steps
Just win the games - everything else will be taken care of
They played decent at Temple, good at Syracuse and still have NCSt who is probably going to be pretty good based on their win in the Big10/ACC challenge
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Dwayne, I watched most of the game last night when NC State beat Tennessee. The Wolfpack are very good.
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HoDo-Tech70
Dwayne, I watched most of the game last night when NC State beat Tennessee. The Wolfpack are very good.
Is it...
Wolfpack are
Wolfpack is
?
I know you thought about it.:laugh:
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maddawg
Is it...
Wolfpack are
Wolfpack is
?
I know you thought about it.:laugh:
I'm not sure - just went with what seemed right. I did know it was not Wolf Pack (two words), like UN-R. I put that "-R" in for our UL-L posters and lurkers.
Concerning scheduling, I'm not happy with our strength of schedule and the road games. I wish it were more like ODU's. However, there's no doubt in my mind that our coaches tried their best to get a better schedule.
As Dwayne says, we are what we are. Although I've got accustomed to that, I still wish for a better schedule.
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Dawg06
II've just had enough of the excuses for these pathetic schedules. We have to start scheduling like a top tier C-USA program. What we are doing scheduling-wise obviously is not working. It does nothing for our NCAA hopes, and it does nothing for our fans.
Are you familiar with how schedules are made or what has been attempted to improve Tech's home schedule? I heard a commentator or analyst on ESPN say it was very difficult for Tech to find schools with higher RPIs to play, away or at home. How do you suggest, specifically, Coach White overcome the obstacles? Its easy to say what the outcome should be; its quite another to solve how to get that result.
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Dwayne From Minden
You can argue all day long -
But I have been a season ticket holder almost as long as you have been alive
We can wish and do something else in the other hand, but in reality we are what we are
It amazes me we can put the product on the floor and fields of play that we do when we are basically a core group of donors away from being McNeese St
Could it be better - of course, but it could also be where we for the last 15 of the 20 past years
I have NO problem playing home and homes with NWSt, USLs and McNeese - and I have almost $2k in season basketball tickets
The question going into this season was not whether we are going to be good - but whether we were going to be good out the box or come late January
We have that answer now
90% of the problem is NO ONE outside of the LA schools will come to play in Ruston - THEY NEVER HAVE - the only decent games we got were 2 for ones and the return games off the Bracket Buster series
It's steps - small one's albeit but steps
Just win the games - everything else will be taken care of
They played decent at Temple, good at Syracuse and still have NCSt who is probably going to be pretty good based on their win in the Big10/ACC challenge
I'm part of an entire generation of Tech fans who have never seen Tech play in the NCAA Tournament. I was a student during the WAC era when our peers were Rice, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP, New Mexico State, Utah State, Boise State, Fresno State, Hawai'i, Nevada, SJSU, and Idaho. I'm not driving 145 miles round trip and buying tickets to watch us play these Samford, Presbyterian, Southern Arkansas, Southland (SFA is an exception right now), or SWAC schools. I bet there are very, very few from my generation that will do that, and that means lost revenue by Tech, albeit not much. I guarantee you Tech is averaging less than $5K in ticket sales for these bad OOC games. We'd make the trip for respectable OOC opponents if we ever got them, and you'll see us show up for most of the C-USA and NIT games.
Like I said before, I have no problem playing ULL every year. I'd much rather watch us play ULL twice in one year than watch us play the Northwestern States, McNeese States, Nicholls States, Jackson States, and Southerns of the world.
And yes, I'm saying it can be better because I know we can schedule better than this. We have to find a way to improve our OOC schedule.
And here's my question to you or anyone who knows... Are we actively trying to get at least one game in Shreveport/Bossier? Considering supposedly no one decent will come to Ruston, many of our OOC games are over fall quarter break or Christmas break, we have minimal walk-up sales for our OOC games, we are trying to host the C-USA Tournament in Bossier, we don't get to watch us play Centenary in the Gold Dome since they dropped down, and the university is trying to reach out to Shreveport, why aren't we playing at least one home game at the CenturyLink Center? They don't even have a tenant anymore, and I would think the Shreveport-Bossier Sports Commission would help cover the rent and maybe more. I went to an LSU-Wichita State MBB game at the CenturyLink Center a few years ago and the Mavs-Pels preseason game this year. I would think they would love to lure a Top 100 RPI OOC opponent for Tech to Shreveport-Bossier similar to how we do for football and Indy Stadium. I think we will eventually get to host the C-USA Tournament in Bossier, and the more experience our guys have playing in that arena the better our chances of winning it.
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Dawg06
This is how you put together a schedule to earn an at-large bid...
The east coast provides a better selection of like and good opponents than here, possibly.
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stodgdog
Are you familiar with how schedules are made or what has been attempted to improve Tech's home schedule? I heard a commentator or analyst on ESPN say it was very difficult for Tech to find schools with higher RPIs to play, away or at home. How do you suggest, specifically, Coach White overcome the obstacles? Its easy to say what the outcome should be; its quite another to solve how to get that result.
I know coaches schedule the games, and I've heard White talk about and read in the paper White's comments on scheduling. I've seen the schedule board that coaches including Coach White post on asking for games. I pay pretty close attention to scheduling. The ULL insiders were claiming White turned down ULL the first year Marlin was allowed by their AD to schedule Tech again because White did think Tech was ready. Then White added them back to the schedule last year when we were ready... Last year the UALR insiders were saying White turned them down. I know White is trying his best to put together a good schedule, and I know he's tried to land 2-for-1's with "BCS" schools as he calls them. It appears maybe White went for home runs but "struck out" as he said. It sounds like he's just using a bad strategy. It's kinda like those recruits with DI offers holding out for a big time school to offer, and then when they realize that no big time offer is coming, the spots are full at their backup schools so they are forced to drop further down to FCS.
Instead of going for home runs he should go after singles in scheduling UALR, UT Arlington, SFA, Arkansas State, South Alabama, etc. Even play ULL twice in one season. As mentioned in my previous post, we should be trying to get the good opponents to come play us in Bossier if they won't come to Ruston. Play an extra money game, and use that money to buy a decent home game. And like I said before, it's too late now, but that extra salary money could've been used to improve scheduling.
Look around at other schedules. Look at Marshall. They lure a Big 12 team to a neutral site in nearby Charleston (with a little political help) and get SFA and Arkansas State to travel up to West Virginia. You think those schools wouldn't rather make the easy drive to play Tech? How about Georgia State and Green Bay, two teams left out of the Big Dance last year due to weak OOC schedules like Tech. What did they do? Scheduled each other twice this year! You think they wouldn't have wanted Tech to help boost their resume than playing each other twice in one year? How bout Missouri State, Southern Illinois, Murray State, Belmont, NMSU, etc.? I know we can do better.
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stodgdog
The east coast provides a better selection of like and good opponents than here, possibly.
I'm not asking for a schedule that looks like Old Dominion's schedule. Just better than what we have, no games in SWAC or Southland gyms other than SFA or UNO when they get their feet back beneath them.
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Just say NO to the 3 worst basketball conferences in NCAA DI.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...ps76da2e68.png
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former_d1
so playing the instate schools at least draws local interest vs paying or signing home and home to get a mac school in here that has no interest and no coverage in the paper.
No beat writer at the game tonight against an in-state team.
@ST_IsabellaTNS · 5h5 hours ago
Won't be at the #LATech hoops game tonight vs. Nicholls
And Southern Miss losing by 20 points tonight at Jackson State (1-9) is reason No. 23490234 to never play in a SWAC gym.
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Dawg06
No beat writer at the game tonight against an in-state team.
@ST_IsabellaTNS · 5h5 hours ago
Won't be at the #LATech hoops game tonight vs. Nicholls
And Southern Miss losing by 20 points tonight at Jackson State (1-9) is reason No. 23490234 to never play in a SWAC gym.
Channel 10 has a little sports snippet on every morning. Apparently it is recorded the night before. Hobie tried to make it happen, but couldn't. The non-showing of our game highlights ended with somebody making farting noises in the audio with no video.
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maddawg
Channel 10 has a little sports snippet on every morning. Apparently it is recorded the night before. Hobie tried to make it happen, but couldn't. The non-showing of our game highlights ended with somebody making farting noises in the audio with no video.
Aaron Dietrich's new sports staff member did well on KNOE tonight with highlights and a football snippet.
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Dawg06
No beat writer at the game tonight against an in-state team.
@ST_IsabellaTNS · 5h5 hours ago
Won't be at the #LATech hoops game tonight vs. Nicholls
And Southern Miss losing by 20 points tonight at Jackson State (1-9) is reason No. 23490234 to never play in a SWAC gym.
The new Gannett staffing format started Dec. 1
Welcome . . . .
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Dawgpix
Aaron Dietrich's new sports staff member did well on KNOE tonight with highlights and a football snippet.
KTBS just did an "Oh, by the way Tech MBB beat Nicholls" at the end of the sportscast before they went to commercial.
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After the Nicholls State game, our RPI SOS dropped to #348 of 351 DI teams.
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Dawg06
After the Nicholls State game, our RPI SOS dropped to #348 of 351 DI teams.
Awesome!!:(
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Dawg06
After the Nicholls State game, our RPI SOS dropped to #348 of 351 DI teams.
It could be 351st or 51st and it wouldn't matter. We have to win the auto-bid to dance, period.
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dawg80
It could be 351st or 51st and it wouldn't matter. We have to win the auto-bid to dance, period.
You love to stir it don't you?:icon_razz:
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TYLERTECHSAS
HCMW has stated numerous times that he can't get a SEC game out of them because they have been afraid to play us. I'm sure that probably goes for the Big12(8) as well but I can't recall his comment on those universities/coaches.
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...71#post1488671
I saw Alabama playing at Wichita St. the other
night, the 2nd game of a home and home. So they
are afraid of Tech but willing to play home and home
with Wichita St?
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glm47
I saw Alabama playing at Wichita St. the other
night, the 2nd game of a home and home. So they
are afraid of Tech but willing to play home and home
with Wichita St?
A loss to Wichita is not bad for a resume, home or road. Right now we are an unproven commodity. We can play lights out and compete with anyone or we can UL-L it.
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I know Creighton is not what it was last year, but I turn on FSSW and see North Texas leading the 9-3 Blue Jays 51-24 in Denton with just under 15 minutes left.
The competition Tech is playing on its home schedule is doing nothing to get it ready for conference play.
Added...Creighton cut the 51-24 margin to 57-55, but North Texas hung on to win 62-58.
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RealityCheck
I know Creighton is not what it was last year, but I turn on FSSW and see North Texas leading the 9-3 Blue Jays 51-24 in Denton with just under 15 minutes left.
The competition Tech is playing on its home schedule is doing nothing to get it ready for conference play.
Added...Creighton cut the 51-24 margin to 57-55, but North Texas hung on to win 62-58.
I watched most of it....UNT looked very good at times. Had some lapses, which Creighton had something to do with, but overall, UNT played a solid game. That's a quality W.
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Temple is making Kansas look fairly ordinary right now...up 50-33 on the Jayhawks at the under 12 2nd half timeout. Game is being played at the Wells Fargo Center instead of on campus at Temple.
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Bill Self is letting his Kansas team absorb the butt-kicking that Temple is administering...Owls were up 30 before Kansas hit a 3 to make it 77-50.
Final...Temple 77, Kansas 52
Court is stormed in Philadelphia.
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Temple has Jesse Morgan, Jaylen Bond, and Devin Coleman back now. All three were OUT for their game against us. This Temple team that beat KU was completely different from the Temple team we lost to.
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Dawg06
Temple has Jesse Morgan, Jaylen Bond, and Devin Coleman back now. All three were OUT for their game against us. This Temple team that beat KU was completely different from the Temple team we lost to.
Still looks better on our resume.
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Blue Dawg
Still looks better on our resume.
Temple is now an RPI Top 50 loss for Tech as the Owls are #34 today. Kansas is still #2 in RPI even after last night.
Syracuse is only at #76 in RPI today. American is the only other Top 250 RPI team Tech has played so far at #83. That is why Tech has a 217 RPI with a 346 SOS (out of 351).
North Carolina State's RPI is at #66.
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Blue Dawg
Still looks better on our resume.
Sorta but not really. It makes our resume/RPI look a little nicer on the surface, but the selection committee looks deeper than that. They know those Temple players were out the first part of their season and that we didn't play the Temple team that beat Kansas.
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Tech is NOT gonna get an at-large bid to the Dance. Not this year, and probably not ever again. We've only gotten one in our entire history! Well, let me clarify this...if the Dance is expanded to 128 teams, then yeah, we'll be in the running. But not at 68 teams. Okay, unless we have a decent OOC and run the table. But, usually that's not even good enough. Have to have at least back to back great seasons, just to be a known commodity heading into the 2nd year. And then, have to beat some "somebodies" to get noticed. Every year there are BASKETBALL schools, I'm talking schools known for their MBB programs, that have an RPI of less than 60, have a good record, say 22-25 wins, and get left out of the Dance. Hell! recently a school had an RPI of something like 30, had a couple of nice signature wins, a record of 20-9, or something like that. Was a bubble team, mentioned every time there was talk of the bubble teams, and they did not dance. Dickie V. went ballistic! Jay Bilas was okay with it because the school in question did not belong to the ACC...or one of those other so-called Power Conferences. Chit happens...
WIN THE AUTO-BID if you want to Dance.
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Dawg06
Sorta but not really. It makes our resume/RPI look a little nicer on the surface, but the selection committee looks deeper than that. They know those Temple players were out the first part of their season and that we didn't play the Temple team that beat Kansas.
Yea but I'm thinking more in terms of perception. It's hard enough to get fans to show up, it's a little easier when you can say, "Yea, we lost to some pretty good teams." I agree as far as the committee goes, but the auto-bid is our only shot anyway.
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dawg80
Tech is NOT gonna get an at-large bid to the Dance. Not this year, and probably not ever again. We've only gotten one in our entire history! Well, let me clarify this...if the Dance is expanded to 128 teams, then yeah, we'll be in the running. But not at 68 teams. Okay, unless we have a decent OOC and run the table. But, usually that's not even good enough. Have to have at least back to back great seasons, just to be a known commodity heading into the 2nd year. And then, have to beat some "somebodies" to get noticed. Every year there are BASKETBALL schools, I'm talking schools known for their MBB programs, that have an RPI of less than 60, have a good record, say 22-25 wins, and get left out of the Dance. Hell! recently a school had an RPI of something like 30, had a couple of nice signature wins, a record of 20-9, or something like that. Was a bubble team, mentioned every time there was talk of the bubble teams, and they did not dance. Dickie V. went ballistic! Jay Bilas was okay with it because the school in question did not belong to the ACC...or one of those other so-called Power Conferences. Chit happens...
WIN THE AUTO-BID if you want to Dance.
Southern Miss with an RPI of 33, couple of years ago.
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Tech lost to EVERY quality team on the schedule. Maybe this is why he did not schedule more. Hard to maintain the illusion of improvement, get raises, and a job at a bigger school going 10-20.
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dawg80
Tech is NOT gonna get an at-large bid to the Dance. Not this year, and probably not ever again. We've only gotten one in our entire history! Well, let me clarify this...if the Dance is expanded to 128 teams, then yeah, we'll be in the running. But not at 68 teams. Okay, unless we have a decent OOC and run the table. But, usually that's not even good enough. Have to have at least back to back great seasons, just to be a known commodity heading into the 2nd year. And then, have to beat some "somebodies" to get noticed. Every year there are BASKETBALL schools, I'm talking schools known for their MBB programs, that have an RPI of less than 60, have a good record, say 22-25 wins, and get left out of the Dance. Hell! recently a school had an RPI of something like 30, had a couple of nice signature wins, a record of 20-9, or something like that. Was a bubble team, mentioned every time there was talk of the bubble teams, and they did not dance. Dickie V. went ballistic! Jay Bilas was okay with it because the school in question did not belong to the ACC...or one of those other so-called Power Conferences. Chit happens...
WIN THE AUTO-BID if you want to Dance.
Well then we aren't aiming high enough.
